WhyWeWork BrianVee
WhyWeWork BrianVee

Episode 23 · 1 year ago

#22 Vadim Davydov Brand Political Public Relations Business Consulting

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Vadim takes us on a journey from Russian to America through his work and life experiences. He went from loading vegetables to being a highly sought after Brand Consultant as he helps individuals shine through to his or her true self. Based out of Tampa, Florida, Vadim is a photography professional with a goal to help re-wire our thinking of ourselves.    

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Welcome to why we work with your host, Brian V as. He speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which would be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Workings tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work, Brian v I. This is Brian V and you're here. Why we work with Mr Vadim Devitov. Good day find sir. Hi, guys, I'm thinking very much for inviting me for this bold gusting it's I would love to Shure it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure and you and I had the pleasure of speaking last week and I mentioned there, but this is our recording. We met on and through Linkedin and I think that is a great place for people who are in business, whatever their business may be, to make the connections necessary to help your business grow or just to learn something from professional development, and it's just Um, it's a great resource for me and I think I am grateful to it for having met you. Thank you, me too, and I'm agree with you about Lindy and Linkedin is huge and for many years linkedin was just like a resume place where you even it stays right now and stereotypes in minds of people that it's place for your resume and when you looking for a job, but when you already looking for a job, it's too late. Yeah, absolutely should be your personal brand development platform where you develop it while you're working and then when you need new job, you already develop something that people know you and you it will be very easy to find a job there. You should promote it, because I've never heard of promoted like that. I was always hesitating, as I should. I put my resume on it because if someone sees it, might mean that I need a job, but I already have a job. Right, but it's you're right, you're building your brand. You should put your face every day there. Yeah, least because of people see this videos with your thoughts, with the story people offline being we met re meeting. I mean I our offline circle about maybe three hundred people marks. MMM, some people they have five hundred. Ye, but online you have like unlimited eye bowls who able to see you every day, and this is gives you credibility and also, if you talking about certain topic, give you authority and then when you do this authority, people know you're professionally in this area and the they will recommend you, they will hire you. I mean it's like open up a whole bunch of opportunities. People trivel around the world and speaking the the never achieved this resolved linkedin. You make a good point, because if you're on facebook or instagram and you're talking about a certain topic, you're not usually gaining credibility there right in the same way you're gaining credibility in Linkedin. Right. People say, Oh, this he's becoming a specialist or he's, as you said, professed, developing professionally, versus just saying something to your friends on facebook. It may not be perceived as your professional in that or that you have the knowledge to speak upon that. But if you're in a group and saying Linkedin, you have this this this network that you're working with and you're helping one another. Where facebook and and instagram the others, they have a certain purpose, a good purpose, but it's just it's not as fine tuned as it is in Linkedin. I find yes, I agree, but the also linkedin. Beautuo of Linkedin is you can find and you can reach almost anyone in professional world, like from the highest level of executives. You can, you can engage with them and it's not that hard. How people think. And on social media it's more like, let's say, instagram or or facebook. It's just more noise there. Linkedin it's less noisy right now and it's get there too, because you start getting all this...

...automation requests, automation messages, and you start feeling that reattachment like you start feel like butts coming to you. You know, yeah, but it's still huge and they also if you think about your personal brand, you don't have to pitch on Linkedin your product or your service or your business. If you start pitching, it's like everywhere, everywhere else, when you go to networking event, if you start like this is what we do, this is how we sell, this is why we best, like, nobody don't care about you or your product at this moment. But if you tell your story, people start care about you and it's not supposed to be related to your job on Linkedin. They will go in to your profile and they will read what exactly you do and then it will as you will associate with this profession and because of high level of trust, because you just show up every day. You remember, like in all days when you when you have only like fifteen channels on TV, and one person show up, and we know this person very well and like whole country, you know this person. Everybody trust this person so much. We like, without doubt, we will invite to our house. Yeah, that the forefront of their mind, because they always seeing. Let them stay with our kids and all the stuff. So this kind of similar idea. You have a circle that you can build who will see you often and especially if you will include stories of your day, of your life, and you can convert the stories and mix it with your experience in your job field. So this is how you became an expert and authority. So it's powerful. That's that's good advice. I didn't even think of it that. I've only been using it a couple weeks. I mean, I've seen some benefits to it, but I haven't begun to dive into the use of it, a proper use of it. So the deem go ahead. Last one, the gay end, no go ahead, and I hope it will help a lot of people least. So first you have to figure out your target audience on Linkedin, like make a list of people who you would like to work with or attract, let's say, if you do if you are videographer, for example, and you needed some marketing or social media specialist and companies. So director of marketing, for example, you can make a list of those people. Then you can visit their pages and see on Linkedin what activities they have and what people, what kind of people they follow. So start follow their influencers and when you follow their influencers, comment and like those posts, because your target audience will be there. In this you in the comments. Yeah, so this way you became on the same level with them and you engage inside the comments first. That's like to get and all the person in the comments, and then you can send direct message in frollaberry, how much how much time do you spend doing that or had have you spend doing that? If you spend about like thirty minutes daily in one year, you can you can generate, like you if your goal is junerate leads, you can generate a lot fits by posting one video, you can generate one two leads for your business or in terms of connections. You can easily gain about tenzero connections in one year, real engagement connections. But you have to post, you have to like, you have to talk people, you have to take their story, include to your story and ask questions and the create this engagement conversation through the same topic. Very good, that's good. That's very good in information. But in speaking of professional, you are a professional. But before we get into how you became the professional that you are, can you bring us back to your first job? So My fure job was with my parents and they used to have a fruit and vegetable wholesale distribution. And where was this? Where you originally from? Baddy, I'm from, seeing Peter, rope, a Russian saying Peter. Where are you now? I'm in Tampa Florida. There's a big jump right there. Yeah, we actually jump from seeing Pete, Russia to Saint Pete Florid. My feels daughter, who's from Saint Peter, Russian, second one from set Pete Flori...

...then that's funny, isn't it? So back in the vegetable store, how how did that come about and what did you do there? So I was a loader and it was like a waterhouse that we have a bunch of fruit and vegetables. Did your parents have a farm or we guys know? So we basically used to leave about maybe forty fifty miles away, or fifty kilometers, no, sixty kilometers, from same people, but it still was a Samee pet. It was like a resort area and it's very close to Finland and there is a lot of places where older people or even younger people, they go and they rest. I don't know, also to call like a resorts, you know. Yeah, resort, and therefore all these resorts. My parents they delivery fruit and vistables and the purchase it in the wholesale in the same peat and then the delivery to then. How long did your parents have that business? Over ten years? I don't know, to be honest with you. Right now I start for getting, like dance and exam Versu. Yeah, but I remember for a long time. I for a long time my given once my ever again start no problem out. So my parents, the my mom, she used to work for store as a cashier and then she became a the store manager, the main store manager than other store manager. It was very stressful work, which gained a lot of experience at the time. And my father he used to work for military for like years. I don't remember how many years, but a lot so, and then he started working for one guy who selling prout in waigetables and he gained this experience and then they decide to open their own business. What is? It was a great decision and it was like a jump to nowhere. At that time, you can just open youtube and read how to do mooking. Story like often started from scratch. Yeah, my father, he attend some college for business and you he learned about business before you open it. What is was great and I think that's why was part of his success as well. So knowledge is the key and the information is the key. Always, your motivation did to get that job where you you just told, okay, it's time to come help the business, the family business. Know, my parents never was like that. Okay, it was only my decision because on summer we hang out with friends and then when you used to it, it's too much and you got bored. Then you you feel that you maybe need some money to buy sneakers. How old were you when you start working for them? I think it was about twelve. Hello, had it how long did you last with your parents working for them? I work back and forth, maybe till sixteen or seventeen. And that brings you in the high school. Yeah, and like a I used to work only on summer because when it's winter you can't work. And vegeables and legally and you can work because you have a school, like you have a you have to go to the school. What is. Where did that take you in your life journey of work? What did you do either next or something else notable? I mean first I learned that different professions like it's your choice what you want to be, because we used to have like an office where my parents used to see and the like. A whole area is root and vegetables, with loaders and the those was clear your choice where you want to beat and the because to be a low there you don't have to think a lot. It's kind of even pleasurable, you know, you just work physically and then you just hang out in your talk with people. You know, it's kind of cool, yeah, at some point, but that for all all with working. They always do something, you know, and when you look at it, you like, what is the better for you? So and you decide it. Yeah,...

I think I learned that there is a choice. And then my first job, when I fully find job by myself, like without any anybody, I have a friend connections. Yeah, factory. Yes, and she invite me to work there because she said the help her grow so quickly. So she jumped from one position to another. They promote, yeah, quickly. So I go there and I choose to not because there was a lot of options to like a to be a loader, to be a controller, to be like a lot of things. And also you can sit in the office and they choose to be in the office. The salary law the other side. Yea. Yes, salary was lower than to be a loader, for example, but it's still was like idea to grow on the ladder of the career letter. But it was the most boring job in my life. Know, when it's up to yeah, it's hard. It's actually hard to understand people with security, people who sitting and do nothing. It's hard, like, especially if you on the mindset of meditating, like to discover yourself and all the stuff. Yes, you can see and meditate and like being peace and all this stuff, but that at that age I didn't have them. There's a little extra, a little extra time. That, yeah, more than you needed. And there was no head smartphones then either. So, yeah, we're able to. I used to have like a computer, but there was no Internet connection. So also, I used to have a like a tape. It was a lot of tape with logo or this company. HMM. The when I when I left this job, I take up like these big ball the you cant making a ball, I just make a ball. Was My art aboll this job. You should have took a picture of that, hung that in front of your computer. I would have been nice. Or make another one or something. Yeah, how long did it last there? Maybe about three months. Okay, four month, because and the I learned. So I learned my my profession, idea this. Well, then so quickly I get the point when it's nothing to learn, that's it. And then I start getting bored. And I asked, I mean, I'm lying. Cannot ask for promotions because I was young and I was shy and I can see. I always thought the people should see how hard I'm working and the this is mistake. And but you didn't ask for promotion. You're hoping People Watch you. Yes, I did perfect, like everything is perfect and nail the process. Everything was fast, everybody enjoyed to work with me and like everything was great. But then what I realize? I feel this position and the they like, okay, this is done. What kind of positions we you have to feel. But they not consider me yet because they didn't hire New People. You know the they just feel. They just remove the Spain that they used to have. So and you alays have to ask the so you think if you would ask, you would have put yourself out there more. Yes, but that waters and would have promoted not only yeah, not only perfect job help you to be higher. It's asking will help you be higher, not only on the corporate everywhere. Yeah, to get noticed. I and a good example with yes, homeless like homeless people. The don't sell products, they don't sell services, they don't they basically do nothing when they ask for money and they get this money, and only one thing they do. They ask. They ask, and people get it. Ask. Yeah, and they get rejected a lot too, but they keep asking. Yes, they don't give a anything about it. They just busting yeah, I did know that. Like I just start discovering the world and the like. I have no idea about to be honest with you, the old side was shy and I didn't know that I have to go and ask because I thought maybe I will look miserable, maybe the thing that I'm asking because I'm not good enough. I mean it's a lot of thoughts. What's going on that you just reject on the on the like where deep level idea of going in ask? Yeah, there's the adage that we have. It's it never hurts to ask, and I live I live by it never hurts. It hurts not to ask correct right or you'll never know if you...

...don't ask. I still learning this. It's I've not been shy to ask anyone anything, but now, like with you saying with Linkedin, okay, I can do that, you know. That's you know I can do it in this, this realm or this capacity. So to do it everywhere, wherever you want to do. When you get to the point of like a good trust with another person that you're trying to attract, it's you will feel that it's time to ask and don't his estate. You know, and ask and if you get rejected, that's why you need the least enough like this rejected. It's one more closer, two years, and also the the people who are being asked. How I've been asked before, so it's not new to them, right. They expect to be asked, right, if it's your boss and you're going to say, Hey, I was you know, I don't know if you've seen what I've been doing, but I'm looking at that new promotion coming up. It's not like no one has ever asked him before, right, so they're used to it too, and people have asked in the worst of ways. So, yeah, I know, that's really good. That's really good advice, and they also will give you an information of what you have to do to accomplish it, because you can never ask you don't know, and you can go to another direction and assume that you will get promoted because of this, this and this, but they probably not looking for it. I mean, you can being this way, but now you start playing this chances. Yeah, so why playing Christiance is go and ask what exactly safe? Yeah, achieve it and get it. That's it, the next step. So it's great and you'll last to you lasted three months there, yes, and I remember of how I so they give you like can bigger factories. They give your least things that you have to go to each person and mark that you didn't harm them or liked the camp company or something like that. So I go everybody. Everybody was like why are you leaving? Blah, blah, blah, and in my parts I was like, you know, it's kind of playing a victim of circumstances, and I thought, like they didn't promote me, now I have to leave m and the this is funny when I see it, was executive in the Kasm, like what was going on while you're leaving, and I'm like I can't even say that because I was shit. Are Me? It's because you didn't hire me. Yeah, I was like how you guys don't understand and you're thinking they are going to read your mind. Yes, and I'm like come on, and and I said that. I'm like, you guys didn't promote me. They're like why should we promose you? We had no idea. Yes, and it was good experience, but I believe I still didn't get at that point that I don't have to play this meek tium. When they came to ask, I still didn't get it, even after rejection. Like I still believe that they didn't get it. So, but you were playing the victim. Yes, a lot of I mean, I didn't know that, but a lot of people do that now, right, it's like, and especially if they don't open their mouth and said, well, they didn't they I got looked over. Well, did they know? Did they know that you wanted to promotion? Did you do everything you could do? Did have you been you know what I like about some jobs is on a resume they'll ask you, what have you done since your last master's degree, your bachelor degree? What professional development have you done since then? So is they're looking for people who are active, right, and then you're like, I haven't been doing anything, I just been waiting for this promotion. That's not the right way to go about it. Yeah, correct, and the I think then another thing at does when I just start. It was not like that, but later I met a lot of people who work for other companies and they believe truly that they invest themselves to others. They not think this way, that you invest in your knowledge, you invest your time in yourself, even you work for the corporation, because even if you will work for your own company, you will be still unemployee, and it's the same. You will gain some experience and as soon as you reach at the level when you're not able to gain anything, you have to ask or then you have to make this decision. But it's very important to know that, like you work for yourself, for self development, as you said, and people not supposed to waiting when somebody will tell you, like okay, now it's your...

...next step. Go and during this, because you always will have the gaps without learning if you will work way, you know, if you're waiting for other people to tell you what to do. Yes, so, like be your own boss, even if you work for a company and make this company better. By making them better, you will make yourself better and you gain this circle people around you. Like, don't reject it, like be with them together, you know. Yeah, form a little community in your work, and everyone knows that they're investing into it because people care. Yeah, and it's all you'll be good for you any time, like anyway, if you open you, if you leave another company, the keep this good relationship and good experience in the job. It's always will be good for you. If you start reject things, it will be not good for you. So where did it lead? You? A dam so after this job. So you're seventeen? Still, seventeen? Eighteen? Yeah, maybe eighteen, okay, will overad it was like an eighteen, maybe nineteen. I remember some gaps when I didn't work. Yeah. So also I got eighteen and seventeen and eighteen, I go to work. For not work, I go to university. Okay, but what did you finish month? I have looked at yeah, so the figures. That's pretty young, though, seventeen to be going after university. Yeah, we finished the school at know, because eleven grades, and I think I finish school at Seventeen. Okay, and then next year you go to the universe. What did you take? What were you so in Russia everybody asks you, I mean everywhere they ask you like you would like to do? Okay, yeah, yeah, we want to be. What do you want to be when you grow up? Yeah, it's the most incorrect question for a kid. You cannot ask this, you can. You have to ask like what would you like to try to decide what you want to do. That's much better. Yeah, yeah, if you didn't try things like how, you can know that just by looking, and adults, the teachers, like you have to look at others and decide what you want to do. It's like fully wrong. You have to decide by yourself by experience. Yeah, yeah, look at that Chab. Does it look okay? Yes, how this person you look expensive enough for you talking about the guys drinking earlier. Look at that guy over there. Yeah, he's a business bad last out over there, does that look good? It looks pretty good for okay, go ahead. So in the I lost my thought. So what did you take? Yes, I take my parents that asked me, like what you want to do, blah, Blah Blah, and I said I don't know, and we found the way how to find like some university where you can the easiest one. How I bought because we have like a you know, in Russia, if you have somebody who work in university, means that your son will have better place there, or something like that, for example. But we have a friend there and we get there. But then it's not go well, and I finished fourth after four years. I left, and the after yours first year I start work as well, and the I work for nights. On the beginning I worked in taxi night. See. Yes, so you said it didn't go well. You went through the four years or you stopped after your first year, or you're doing a mixture of both, and then that didn't work out. It was like a mixture. Yeah, it was a mixture. And the also, you have to pay for university and at this age I already taking care of my own expenses, you know, and I try to make for university. And, to be honest with you, I think this is was a waste of my time in certain Angli. Gain some friends and like experience, but overall, if inside me, I always was like a on interpreneurial by a something like business related, for if you talking about degree, or even stay away, just build your own business, like find the mentor and...

...all the stuff. But I didn't know that. So then I work for you. Did some odd jobs throughout that. Yeah, so then I work for at nights. I work at some period of time, maybe about three months, maybe five months, I don't remember exactly. I work in two jobs at the same moment. So at night I work maybe three nights a week on the taxi and five days a week on day job. For like it was a plumbing and like I we did some warm floor installation. Yeah, yeah, I was. I was a taxi driver. For a period of time to nice. This was stuff. It's tough because it's not. It's not an easy job and I respect taxi drivers. Every time I get into it English speaking taxi, or in Canada I was speaking. I think it's you know, how's your day going? Because she's know, it's day by day, right, you know, it's a know, how many hours did you get in? How? You know? You know it's rough. Now, also, like a Friday, sat or day, all this drunk people who trying to absolutely abuse you, kill your right run off on you or Puke in your car. are in the fine part because I work like a plumber. Had A rent range always close to me. Please give me my money. Yes, and the we have stories when people actually kill other like a taxi drivers. Yeah, like a very small we have like keep coming. Oh, that's okay, that's okay. Kids are welcome. No, it's just a repeud of Chester goodstead. Sorry, man. So all this is how old is your youngest? In your oldest I think you said you have youngest three and aldest eight and this is this is was youngest. So I remember the time when I drive taxi at night and it was like a early morning colder. I always most of time I work at night because it was no traffic and I used to have another job. The first thing I remembered that as I always was broke. Even I work for two jobs. Never know I could happen. I spend all the fun. You know, it's was pointless to work on the two jobs, but it was my experience. Nobody told me like you have to go there, you've got to go there. My father, he helped me to be planning job because you knew the guy who run this company. So I gained some experience about like a physical work. Yeah, absolutely, not only like a to be a loader, because loader it's way different park loader. You it's not even. It's like it's different than to be a plumber. In English we say it's mindless. It's a mindless job in you need muscles, you need to work hard, just put your head down and do your work. Plumbing would be yeah, there's more to it. Can do things. You know you messed up and it's like it's different and was harder for me. Yeah, it's a hard job to and I remember my co workers. They was older, like way older than me, and the I used to smoke cigarettes they used to smoke too, and we did. The thing is we didn't have a lunch breaks from eight in the morning. No wakes, just keep working, no breaks. Like an smokes my smoke darts out. That's it. You Times, I remember I tried to change that and they brought like food for everybody, second ches. Very yeah, I can't do it like every day. You know, I have to prepare for I mean, at least I can do one sand which for myself, but not every day. Right. So I tried they eat that. We did this breaks, but as soon as I start bringing they stop eating. We stop like take a break. That's funny. Just smoke dart in English remarks. A SMOKE DART, smoke cigarette, smoke my Figu. Yeah, especially the job was not hourly paid. It was like a bye job. Yeah, that's why you got to get it done, to push hard, and sometimes it was very hard. Remember time when I wake up in the morning and then truly fully don't want to go there because it's cool, especially in the or in the morning. Yeah, you can do things like especially it's if it's like a small feetings can do it with loose gloves. You have to take off your gloves and do naked. I mean all my fingers was with Scots and it's was,...

...it was knots. One of the hardest job in my life, to be honest with you, the but I have number one hard job. What was even harder than being a plumber, so to be another farmer. And I went anapahazy. I have a friends there, and we did we did runt jet ski and when Jet Ski Season is done, my friend he used to have like a plantation of Tangerines, okay, and we like all this plant. Where is? Where was this? It was close to Georgie, you know. Okay, that's going to say. You guys got tangerines up there in Russia. It's yeah, it's cold out there. No, we don't have nuhing and and we we could write you guys got a big country, muster bed. We have like a almost every season, close to Chinese. You know, everything order. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty warm down there. Yeah, yeah, so even right now, the the Habar ofs the have a lot of meetings because they disagree with the government, but because the way far away and government. We're too far from the government for guys to care about as and the government send them their own governor from Moscow and they put in jail their own governor. So will be a big deal there, I guess. I guess, but that was a hard job deal with the tenderines and the Jet Skis House. So so in Tangerines work here, when you prepare and when you have all the tools, when you have everything, it easier. Right there. It's was clear, made like a labor, like manual labor. You put the long shoot short or like a sweeter. Yeah, on yourself. You put this in the side depends, and the trees, the on the the mounts. So it's like this. So an a mountains are on an angle. Yeah, it's like a big angle, but also it's like a steps. It's big stepped on each step it's trees, and you start going like a from I don't remember, from top to the bottom or from I don't remember exactly. But then on the end you have first you put all the tangerines inside your starges, in your shirts. Yeah, you have like a you get pregnant, look like a big bear. You took like a big large bags and you put this inside the bags and then you go in claim to three and you took the Orange Ale. So you have to know what kind of oranges you have to pick, because they have to be ready, they have to be like orange. And then you put all the bags on each level and when you done, you pick up the legs and you bring this bags to the top. Goes on the top. You have a road and you have a car where you can put it and bring to the store, to the market. That's worse. You have to bring the bags up the hill, not yes, Hill, yes, and there. I remember clearly when I own my knees, not able to all and Harry them anymore. It was so hard physically and mentally tune the when it's getting darker, you you have to watch your eyes because it's a lot of spikes from the trees, the branches. Yeah, yes, you can hit your eye. So we have to go like this with this bag. I mean it was hard. Man. This is what's hardest thing I ever done. Pick an another job. Yeah, another job was in Russia. Afterwards, when I have hard time to find any job and I apply for like management positions and like a lot of different jobs, sales positions in the I found the job was on the big warehouse and it was like a up you know, like Amazon or Wal Mart, they have centers were they bring all the stuff and then they bring it to other stone distribution center, so warehouse distribution center of like a for whole food store or whatever. And the there was a shift from a TM TO ATM and the my first...

...day was I only work once. One they you did the one ship. But it was pretty tough job too, because in the morning you have a bunch of power. You start excited, new jobb you guided, new job, like all the sub pallets with stuff the people prepare for each you just rolling. They wrap it. Yeah, yes, they rob it and you do. You doing this like and when you done, like all cars done and you sitting in you like, Whoa we done, it's good. About six PM your body start signaling you like hey, this is dumb, like this is done for like whole day. But then at about eight PM real work starts. You start creating these foalts, you know, you start loading them. You going with another person and they telling you like okay, two picks of these, two packs of this and some things. was very heavy. So first you hungry, you tired it because you stay on the like a concrete concrete or in the freezer camera. They have huge freezer cameras. You get in cold, then you go out, you it's hot. I mean this crazy man. It was. It was here, it was your first day and your last day, and I remember, I remember this feeling when, in the more learning, we see it all together. It was like a fifty or seven, forty five, just I mean, it was stuff. I'm probably never be upset like that. And I sit on this. A lot of immigrants who came to the Russia to warn. Some of them did not even speaking easy in Russian. Yeah, and I was so upset. Man, both like my life scar about immigrants. I can't even complain to them. They can even understand being. Yeah, and the my father, actually, he helped me again find another and this is happening like that. I I get hired on this job, I work on the one day and the next day my father comments. He said, like I have my friends. They looking for a guy to work, like, do you mind to go and check? And what? Yes, I I do mind. I will go and check. And the I get hired on. It was like a custom and we did like a broker's I work for brokerage Ferem firm because people to, you know, bring cars from Europe, from US and like I put license plates, not license plates, the get register, paperwork, register them. Yeah, Regius for them. Yes. So and was like a truly off his job and then truly love this job of new perspective. was very it was the biggest contrast in my life because what I did yesterday and I started doing in five days, it was huge. Get like huge, get the beaming. The job was, how did your father feel about you switching jobs and going from here to there? And he's still finding new jobs at that point. But how did he really feel? Did he want you to come back home? What did your mom want? What was what was going on in there? But they putting pressure on you. So so no, thank you. My parents. They the kind of put pressure, especially my father, because he on the mindset of like working, working, working, working, you cannot work, you have to work, all this work, all about work. My mother, she was like a because these being this there a lot of time in their business and they work very harder. She can tired of these two. So she got it some rest. But my father, he always tell me, you have to work, but he didn't prey ask me. You just offer me like here, okay, the job that I have, and I'm never refusing your job offers, you know, and I'm like, okay, I will go and get it. But the thing is, I didn't, I didn't have knowledge of like okay, I'm in charge of my life, let me find this job. What I won't let me get get a skill that I want. I...

...get some skill and knowledge on Youtube, on Internet, about different topics like psychology, philosophy, and like I discover a world this way as well. Yeah, but yeah, I didn't. Never thought about like I want to be a successful in career. I knew that I will have a business and things were in your mind, a little bit short term. You're like, I just need to get a job do some work. You weren't, Yeh, thinking a little bit more forward. Yes, so, time and the my my parents, they just I reattached myself from my parents in terms of like they not decide what they want to do. They offer me, like, let's say my father, he tell me like this is the thing you can try, and I'm like yeah, let me try. It. was never be like you have to go this job because it's a good job, blah, blah, blah, so he was scaping when I work for any job. So so what what did you do next? I know just from speaking to you before that you went into the military. How long before you went in there? Military? I jump like right after this job, after come, okay, okay, I start getting a lot of knowledge and I believe if I will not go to the military, I'm my open my own bro Brokerage firm, because I get the whole idea of like what they are doing, how to do it. I start getting even people that I work on my private with them. I'm can I still customers? Yeah, still clients. But there was a my firm. It was like a two brothers who run this firm. It was like a small one and I was very close with them. We work together very hard and we was very efficient and sometimes I can make all paper work in two hours because I have a relationship with the custom person. Like you move some person, you can register it quickly. Yet yeah, this all other persons. I have like a personal relationship and they can do it in two hours when regular person can do it in two days. It was hugh. So you had an advantage? Yes, advantage, only by relations sociation. Yeah, I can bring like some cake, for it was not my like the people who I work with, the never give me money for this key. They never tell me like you have to go and bring this kick this lady to make your job easier or foster to USK make more money idal way you did business. Yeah, by myself, yes, and that I just I just feel like if I have this always contact with any person, I want to make this contact like a pleasurable it's not about even job, like I want to come to somebody and say, Hey, how are you today, like what's going on? And, by the way, I have this car. Can you do it? prest agree gives you know, it's funny because in Korean culture it's you always come with a gift. MMM right, it's always like I didn't grow up that way. Maybe people did and I just didn't give bring gifts. But like it bleeds over into business as well. You're always bringing a gift, you're always doing something. It's it's unfortunate. I think it becomes expected. Yeah, I think it's people bring this decreed student type and they trying to take advantage. They do it not genuine yeah, dos one thing. It's not even corruption, in my opinion. Yeah, no, I like that. The basic premise, the basic idea of it is, you know, bringing something because it's nice, not slipping over into expectation. Yeah, especially right now with happening a lot with the Kashiers in the stores, when people go to in the store and they buying something, they feel that Kashi or it's like just a robot who take your stuff, big pig that by by they not I mean I always trying to talk with them, not acknowledge. Yeah, Ye, engagement, because I have point of contact right now, so I want to earn something, like experience this their life, or like a smile, I mean something. Yeah, it's but I agree. I agree. They don't not feel lonely, because I think your job it's kind of lonely because you see all these people, you're not received any feedback and you just start applying on yourself that you made not attractive for them. You're not interested. I mean, yes, I know it's all true. It's acknowledging the people that you see on a regular basis, because not all people...

...acknowledge them. Yeah, do you remember, because the Russian military is mandatory? Correct. Yes, were you doing this other job and you received a letter? How did you know that it was your time to go? You remember that? Or, like I was about twenty two or twenty three years at this time. Maybe twenty two, I don't remember exactly, but I already pass about three or four years when I supposed to go. Okay, what eighteen? Okay, and you started receiving play or so, so team six. So you were getting that is you're just running different. But is it? I don't know, I don't know. That's not my first. Okay. So, yes, how did you feel about get that first letter? You mean when I was seventeen? And everybody aware. Saving career here happens all the time. And you go to this place where you did or check your health and, based upon what you want to show kind of you either you eligible or not. But if you're not eligible on the first like a point, they will make sure that you will be eligible. They will send you the bunch of doctors that will tell you that. Come on your healthy. Man. And the how is that experience? was that year or two years? How how long a yeah, are remembers? One year. Okay, is it the greatest time ever? Know, I feel like I've been in jail. Yeah, it's not. It's not the bet in the like a you know, you still have water, you still have you can brush your teeth, you can eat, you can freedomly go sometime inside your police I mean that distribution job look pretty good then, didn't it? It was different. You know the I will say everybody who ever been in jail, when you look at the door or in the window, like a small window, depends what kind of Gel you have. And if you start thinking about like, okay, I'm I'm the victim right now and not able to use my life as I want, and some people put me here, and if it starts raising up in yourself that you start getting crazy, you know, and you start like no, I don't want to be here, when you start rejecting, that's why it's important to accept. Okay, I'm in jail right now and I know the rules. They not let me go anywhere. They ask me to do things that I have to do. If I start refuse things, it will be like harder for me to leave here. Depends of the thing, but whatever, it's better to accept anyway, any stasion. You are and in Army I fought for like I fight with myself about this being there. You know, I'm like, no way, this is so silly, like this person cannot say me this, you know, this person cannot touch me like that, this person cannot keep me like that. You know, and you like always refuse it. And the you fight is and the this is the purpose of the army, to break it breaking. Yeah, wake truth this. Yes, and the they didn't break it in me, because I still fight. But right now I believe it's better to not fight, like it's better to let go and accept and employ, because a lot of guys, a lot of they earned some experience. A lot of them they enjoy. They like this, playing with this Tuanks and like playing with guns and stuff. Yeah, I'm not a fan of this. Yeah, and some of them, yes, and they enjoy because they not reject. I was fully rejected. So you have you have the option then to stay in the military or exit after your first year. No. Yes, so, first year it's mandatory and then they trying to attract you to be in the army and then they become nice to you. Yeah, kind of the end of the day. This year you already know the rules. The first I think it's related, like any job or like life, when you get the environment that you not used to. You kind of Confus, you don't know what to expect and you afraid everything. Like I remember...

...when I you have to put like right here, you have to put new color, like a color inside the color. Every day. You have to put like your at to see the nice and strong. Yeah, it's always clean and white. Yeah, and the you have a certain amount of movements that you have to do, and it's like crazy big thing you have. I mean it's crazy in my opinion, but it's okay. Some people they put plastic cover over and it's always look white and the I remember on the beginning I was laid down in the bed at night and I'm trying to do it because I didn't have a time to do it before. It was very toub because I don't know how to sew, I don't know how. I mean, it's was tough, like all this little simple pility details. Yeah, and when you don't know your schedule very well, when your body not used to have the schedule, this is tough part. This is so uncomfortable, adjusting, adjusting. Yeah, so when did you because you said you're in Tampa. How long did it? When did you start thinking about going to the United States. I mean the certain circumstances that happened with our businesses and black people who in charge of government. They I always was like a rebel, even in Russian I'm refused the point of view the Russian government. Mistake and that prettier where what kind of people in the government? And I will always was like an opposite of it and the but it was not lead me to leave. Up in the at some point the circumstances happened that we have to leave, like with all family, and thus we your wife, me, my wife, she was pregnant in the inn other key, in our fields. So you wanted to leave, but you were not allowed to leave. No, we were allowed to leave, but we didn't force up till some events happening with us, and they can line. Why did you want to leave? What what was so was it just you want to go to the United States again? I didn't thought about to leave, like it was not in the plan. Oh, so you you were encouraged to go cut, yes, correct, I'm not. I don't want to go deep in this. Yeah, yeah, but you were encouraged to go. So you found yourself. Where did you go? Initially? So we go straight to do seeing people came right, right, right there. Yeah, like week have a flight. It was like a New York tempa. So if you didn't have a plan, and what was the quick plan that you made, so quick blend, was to find some place to leave here, and the I found Craig least. Yeah, I'll foundling Craig least by accident. I found Russian lady that she rent your place and they call here and the we talken that I'm ingredient. It was a very happy moment. How long ago is this? Like almost sinx years ago, six years ago, and you're happy. Yeah, doosen fourteen. Okay, you're happy because why you met this lady? Yeah, because it was very tough for me, is out English, to find any place to leave. How it? How is your English six years ago, like hello by really, I said this to you the other day, and this is for anyone who speaks a second language. All props, all Kudos, all encouragement should be given to you for doing what you do. To go to like me, as an English teacher in South Korea, it's and when I go to Canada and I see people come to Canada who speak another language and then find themselves intermingling as much as they want into the culture, learning the language and doing like, like, thank you for doing that, because it's not easy. And you're talking. You're not even talking about volunteering, you're not being talked about a dream. You were told you went it there and only six years ago you went from zero is the finger that you held up, zero English, to I'm having a now, plus the three hours we talked the other day for and a half, five hour conversation with you with no problem at all. So like, never, never, never, never, undercut your ability, and I mean it goes for anyone else, right, like you have a determination,...

...your forced right, like you're forced to do something. Either can you can work it or you can run away, and you obviously took took it by the handle and ran with it. So you're doing really good job. Six years you learned English. Yeah, thanks, man, but I know I can do better, for sure. But maybe the biggest lesson, I remember this, the biggest lesson in my life, probably I learned when I see in front of my laptop in Anchel, like seventeen, maybe or sixty, and I thought like how's The web page is working? Like wise, even like we open something. What is this? I have no idea. Yeah, when I start looking for it. And the I found some courses on youtube how to build your website. Yes, and the I remember when I first draw this website on the photoshop. And when you draw this, when you drew a well a project, it's a bitter to put each layer. I learned that Photoshop is working actually on by layers. You know, you one layer and over another layer, and so and the you name each layer and then you name folders and then you name bigger folders. So this is was maybe the best lesson that I can apply for life. But you have to if you want to achieve something big, you start with small, with one layer. You name it and more particularly, you are more kind of organized, you are, the easier result you will get, because on the end, if you want to adjust something, you know where it's exactly, exactly your mess, like me before, you know all the images. Everything is mess, you can find anything. It make your life kind of less productive, less efficient, and the same with English. You can learn English by by obtain right infermission and at right time, and you know, you able to find informations how to do it correctly. And if you will do it correctly, your result will be higher. So my English was not build correctly. Well, you're doing really well and going to the job without knowing English and without knowing what I have to do in this job. You making a good point, though, but by staying particularly and detailed oriented, particularly oriented find details and then branching those off into, as you said, files, but different parts in different sections, helps you find out where you went wrong. So this lady helped you find a house with so English. Yes, run for us like a room and then we leave there, maybe about three months and then we moved to another lady, your friend. It was like a smaller room. It was like a very smaller room. There was like a one bed and nothing enough space from the floor close to the bed to even lay down there. You have two children at this point. Yeah, two children at this point and me and my wife in one size. But it was stuff. This is maybe the toughest three in the US. The funny thing is this sounds like a story that probably happened in the S. S, you know S, but this is six. This is like five years ago. You know, five and a half years ago. Yeah, right. This Russian family comes to the United States and stead is in this small, one bedroom apartment with two kids, no job and no English. What do they do next? And key to who was like a next to us that was smell so bad. Look at keeps a rest from there. So, yeah, stuff, especially after a brigmant. See. You know the ladies. They have different smooths. I know this was the APP can I can repeat it a lot, but there's no cure for that. Sorry. I remember when I sleep always on the one side, like you can sleep like that. It's like luxury. No sleep like that and I'm dreaming about to go to the floor. And sometimes they end up on the floor, but it was like that. So at this point, with a small room, two children, a smelly cat and a pregnant wife, or before that, what is your thought process of finding employment in work? What are you? Are you encourage like I'm in America? I will say we were. We were more like confused. Yeah, overall, like about everything. What's going on? We was confused. And your thought process is not...

...like clear. You're not thinking that. Okay, what is the next step? Let's see it and figure out your next step. You just run like a goal because it's crazy you know you're tired, you mentally tired to physically tired. You like you, you do whatever coming to you, you know. So then when you kind of get used to it, then we move the same lady. She has up a house. It was like a TRIPLEX, the biggest part of the house. And then look at too, like two more apartment. Yeah, to see they build it additions, attach the additional attachment. Yeah, touch will. And she ran for us like this very good price. And the main house it was like about maybe eight hundred or fifty six, fifty square feet house. It was the heaven for us after where we used to first face. Yeah, and the but the neighborhood was very, very bad. It was like at the maybe worst neighborhood that you can imagine. And the my neighbor, he get arrested because he told two guns from police department. She still two guns from the police stage. So this kind of maybor. Welcome, welcome to America. Yeah, and my first job here was I did carpet my neighbors. They was a drug etics and they offer me to work and to help them. They bring me a hundred dollars per day. I work only one day there. I we install carpet for maybe twenty five hundred square feet. Three installing carpet is difficult. Yes, we can read in the four carpet we put market in one day. I was I work at very hard. They enjoyed my hard work and then the found the have like another guy. He was Russian, because I was Russian, they assume that I need Russian colleague, the introducing. Yes, in the Russian guy and he used to put like a floors to like carpet, bunch of different floors, tients for yeah, yes, whinyl. And I work with this guy out maybe three months, for four months, and we work very hard. I work like about on average, like twelve fourteen hours that day without like non stop. He was on some kind of accelerators, you know. I was you bringing your sandwiches. He's an and then I goes alow down. Need a break. Past actually the I remember my first day this him. It was so weird. I remember we sitting his when I came to the job side, it was a house. We should put like a lemonade floor for full floor, like a for full house, and we see on the job side and he drinking a beer. It's likely he's sitting drinking beer and he walk he's getting ready. He's getting ready for me some beer and like I'm not really right now. For sure. I got sandwiches. Yeah, and he started. I mean it was kind of tough because people in service whoo see and work all the time. They not kinducts, they not grow, you know, they accept the reality and they could do his job. He could do a job well, yeah, and did plan to build. Look at their worlds inside this job. Yeah, but I'm kind of refuse, yeah, because I go there for work, I go there for money, for knowledge. I'm not go there for drinking a beer in the morning can hang out and like watch movie. I came here to work, man. I mean my brain's like time to work. Let's work. So he got upset about a little bit because I was not that like, you know, accepting his rules. He was settled in a he was settled in his work and he was content and how he did things. You you were trying to the way how you work. He he can, he can sit and rest a lot, but then when it's time to work, he was like he knew his stuffy non stop and it was crazy. For me, it was crazy because it's it was a rough you know. Yeah, don't see, don't then he just on and off. Yeah, I want to say thank you, though, that I learned how to do very well. He was a perfectionist. taught me how to do floor very well, all kind of floor. Now I can do it very well. Tile, I mean you name it. Yeah, some people...

...do the jobs differently and it's I don't need I wouldn't even say it's wrong. I just said that's that's the way he rolls, that's why he works. Yeah, and the I'm not blaming ide yeah, you weren't doing it that way. Yeah, but also I remember in uphazy and when we rent the Jetski, I worked with one guy. He was older than me. He was experienced in me. This is when you were doing the tangerines. Yes, we actually does danjurines with exactly the same guy. Yes, he's patients. Yeah, can you imagine, like a maudling? The know, Moldli marbling? No, Maudli modeling. No, Maudli, I do not. The Guy who living in the forest, in the in the jungles, and like using role it Tarzan, Tarzan, like kind of Tarzan, but it's few and other names okay, it was like a Tarzan. Okay, it was strong. He was a bee while beast. Yes, correct, he was like fully beast. All, ladies, he was in love with se him, him, has like a big nose. Okay, a class ladies man. Look at Andriana Chillingtana. Okay, no, I don't the name sounds cool, but I don't know. Yeah, it's intelligue Italian singer. You shouldn't. I just probably said this wrong. But so he was strong and the my camera. Get all you can. All right, so this is when the cat's keys yeah, yeah, I remember the time when we went to the forest and he was like this big much hip and he like go through the forest. He he thought me he was like a I didn't know that, but now I know that. He was kind of mentor for like a life experience as well. Yeah, because I learned a lot from me. He didn't think it this beast under you, admis Eddie, barbarian. I think it's very saying. Barbarian. Oh, this is a life experience I'll take with me. You weren't thinking, very good guy, and like you not be afraid to die like close to him or go to do like or do whatever. And I remember the moment when we when it was like a lot of waves, like a kind of storm, and he brought the jet ski and you have to put like a trailer. Yeah, the Jet Ski, but when it's waves, you have to weave. Wait when we've coming. So we wave. He driving on the way. You put this trailer pretty underly. Yeah, to Hook it. Crank, crank, rank, crank. I can wrong, because other way will come over time, your Messi and we have this experience when it's massive. Listed a few times. Then like everybody under Jet Ski, the trailer, like it's crazy, man. And I remember the time when you have to crack it very quick and the he taught me. He was on the Jet Ski. I Hook it and I start doing this, because I do this kind of slowly, and I remember when he jumped through the Drutski. You grab this thing and start doing this fast. It moved you at a get out of my way, boy. This moment, I think change kind of my perspective of doing things. Yeah, and like if you should like to not think like because when I do it slowly, I think like how part it is like like you don't have enough time, this next last, but when you don't have enough time to think. You just do this way fast. So that's like. You ever see oil rigging? Shows people at in the oil rigs digging for oil? Or Yeah, oil, those guys, those guys are tough. Yes, right, riggers, or those guys who going in a Baltic Sea for TROC, DPC, yeah, DC, yeah, king crabs. Oh, yeah, you gotta think right, you will. Don't think, you just do your job or you get your body or your fingers slightly. kind of this experience. Yeah, I got in the up his and I'm so grateful for you because it's very valuable. Yes, and I hope people this is what people need in army. Like, if we're talking about like this, how man can mentality to show how things should be done without thinking, but not abuse other people. You know, when you abuse other people, they just get older in the have this mental problems later.

So this reminded you of the same guy that you're sitting with in the van, that he's getting drunk and you're doing the flooring with. Yeah, he's the same sort of man. He could do connection, connection, yeah, but this at this moment when we did floor and I already knew that lesson and I already was. kind of got it very quickly and I started doing the same. You had the experience with it. So how long before you did this job and how many jobs in between did you start thinking about you, because I think you said your strap for time, so I don't want to keep you too long. You said you have a cut off time. No, did you start thinking about the profession that you're in? How many other odd jobs did you do before you started to think about what you're doing now? Right after Russian Guy, I've start searching job this local people, because first I want to learn English, I mean I want to be involved in this country, because I have here right. Yeah, so I use Google translate or create like a template for my work, like about my skills, and they start posting like crazy, like maybe I remember how much, but like over two hundred that. Where are you? Where you posting? Where were you posting? Was Great, least, mainly in great. I post my stuff and I also find other people in the respond. So what are you posting? What is what is it you're highlighting about yourself, about skills, like I have a skill, so like a to do planning. I have a skill. So flooring. I have a carpon skills and then I found the ad about no. So I work for remodeling. I don't remember which one you see now. I don't remember which one was first, but because I know how to put carpet and know how to do floor very well. Yeah, I find a job when it says carpenter, and I did know that carpenter are going to build a house. I've heard it's like a carpet. You know you doing carpet. That's nice. I apply for this job Google chance. I didn't get it right, but I'm here, sir, I can do it. I even didn't translate because I knew that work. I fire baby. That's why I didn't translate later. That's funny. And the Guy, he accept me, and the I be honest with you, I lie every time. When I change my job, I like about salary. Every time I put back a few dollars up. This is what copen row. I'm moving up there, I'm not trying to move down. Yeah, how much they pay you before? Like fourteen dollars per hour, but actually they paid like twelve. But I at this moment, I did know like how much you should get. Like nothing. So this guy, he took me to the job and I remember the moment when we build the closet with other guys. It was like a whole team there, and they give me s thoughts to cut. Yeah, most problem when I work with Russian guy. I have my tape measure, when it says because in Russia we have matrix and here we have different. Yeah, take measure right. Yes, it was tough and because people hear the the know with us only one thing, inches if you're using centimeter gas. Yeah, when I felt times so this each I'm like, Whoa, it's too much here, this is not a centimeter. Yes, and the I have my own tape measure where it's was says like it's one fourth or like three, three sixteen, so I don't remember, or sixteens. When they tell me, like okay, you have to cut this like twelve starts and remember to Turty in one and have for something like that. Yeah, and they give me tape measure because I forget mine. I opened this tech measure and it was knowing it was like only big ones. Yeah, yeah, like oops. Then he got the person's house. They have little closet. Yeah, and I can't go and see, like, I don't know right, it's my first day. Google, Google, and I can't have a chance to google it because it was inside. The truck was outside in the windows. They saw. They can see. Really, I can't stay like starting. It's like a bunch of guys there, you know, so funny. That's a common they said, like took the sow. First Mistake. I did. I took the so it's it was like finish. So for like a crown moldings. Yeah, you're not cutting like a start. You mean a Handsa.

I go like a chop. So okay, yeah, tables, not table chops. When you have big circle and you doing this. Okay, the table. So when you're doing this, yeah, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you bring down the circle. Excuse you, sgnorance, I don't even know the word at the moment. My uncle be very upset. But yes, very, very little airy if you're not used to it. Yeah, but the thing is there's a difference between the blade. If you have blade, was like a different technique. Amount of sharp things. Yeah, teeth, teeth. Yeah, if when it's a lot of teeth, it means it's like a finish soul for like a finished product and can cut very nicely. You cannot use this for like a heavy like data base. Yeah, because will be, but soon it's going to blaze. I did know this and I just start cutting with like a small teeth. This like a stats and the owner, he run away because he saw that. He run away outside and he like what are you? Do you do? And the you have no idea about this business. Oh No, you are not. Gardeners from Boston. Guy On his tongue. You know language. Yeah, yeah, I thought I'm in army for some moment. I'm sorry say, but he didn't fire me because I was work very hard. Yeah, we have some funny stories when we travel with this guy do some maintenance, and I remember when he throw one bolt that I remember when I stay on Alder. It's leather, it's very, very high, and that I unscrew this commercial light bulb and I asked him, did you turn? No? What? He like yes, I oh yeah, I got it me the street winning on. This was so upset on him. Or when he throwy some to the dumpster and then he like, oh no, I throw me like a wrong one. Can you go to the dumpster, army, because I was in different places. I'm like, no way, you'll go to the dumpster. I record all the my body. Don't stair. I don't do that. No more buss or when we travel to another city to work, he said like, can you order like a model for us in the I order with one, but and we love like. I mean, it was very funny moments, so many stories. Yeah, then I get her to a bigger company with it like a full remodeling. I learned how to do things with Youtube, actually upposite yet, and then I opened my own company. Then I work for a painter, for lady. She was a painter and she hired me. I lost all my paperwork, artistic painter or no way, and I lost my paperwork from like my driver license Russian. I lost my local driver lescense because because they was temporary too and I used to in my government. They lost my keys and for one half year we didn't have any paper work here. So I have like a Russian passport that no why, nobody never saw before. And I changed cups this Russ and Buzzword. I drive. I drive my car every day without driver license to I didn't have a choice. where I am, I and this ladyship hire me. She asked me like can you paint? And I remember in Russia I used to paint like a few cars of mine and they know how to paint, and I'm like, yeah, I'm a profession. I raised my celary little bit and I work with her and I enjoy work. She was at the water and another lady work with me. So it's all ladies, and it was very nice to me. And painting job after all this stuff, flooring, so easy. I'm serious. It was nicer, easy, like nice houses, Nice apartments. I enjoy it and I learn how to paint well like because before, I know, before I fought, I know how to paint, but after you work you know how to paint. So I paint like teaching cabin. It's very well, like all this fine stuff.

And then I opened my own company and we start doing our own projects. Then I get in jail because of I did know rules. Somebody did like a stincparation and they catch like an unlicensed contractors, but I thought I'm fully licensed. Work Workers Camp. Yeah, yeah, but everybody who I work with before they tell me, if you work alone, you don't need this workers. Workers come, but what you need is work. Exemption, because when you go to the somebody house, you should know the devil in charge of your injuries and they will pay bills for you. And because you know that it's already like insurance fraud. So it's crazy. And it's cost fifty for two years and the fifteen dollars for two years. And you went to jail because you didn't have it. Yes, and it's a failing need third degree. It's in. Did you show them Russian passport? Kinda, but I certain station and they start ask me like all these questions. I have no idea why. My Company, I have lability insure. Yeah, using dollars, and I thought I'm I'm fine. And also I didn't do any job. I came to do an estimate. The guy asked me, can you change your buftop? I did no work, left up because I've never done planning. You were just saying yes anyway. Oh, yeah, I could anything, I can do it, but not to that. They found me. They found the ad on Craig least when I looking for a job. Uh, it was said all my skills and it was like a electrician, planning and everything, what I can do, cut up for my services. I just it's the deference. When I opened my own job, like a company, they find me this way and they they fought. I advertise myself on Craig. HOW LONG WE JL for? It was just like about maybe twenty hours. I sleep there. Okay, not too bad. Years fresh strawberry. Was it better than the military? Yeah, that's hard for me. He didn't have to work either away. Yeah. So, and then I get rid of all the stuff. It was very tough. They not allowed me to work. They give me like a workstop order for my company. When I get out, I first I was confused what I can do, what I cannot. Yeah, nobody, local constractors, they have no idea about it. Still a lot of them. Yeah, a lot of people. They have no knowledge about it, and they try to have somebody who will translate me and explain on Russian what I do wrong and what I should do. It was tough. This, this was there was too, too much to have to deal with. So you, yeah, gave it like money. You ran out of money. You have time work, you cannot work. Like what I should do, like I was in the position of, like, I don't know. So and then we build company in pretty good size. We have about fifteen people at some point that working with us, include contractors and the field workers and the office stuff. We have an office and the we did pretty well. We work with Amazon. Home Series is one of the first people, one of the first companies who start work with services for Amazon and we start extend to other states. But then I realize again, when I get the point when I started getting bored, when I didn't learn anything new, I'm like, is it really what I want to do in my life now? So and I start figure out, like I want to be like a I used to feel like a hobby, like a photograph people and things. So when did you see a cause, that's where gets you into this. But when did you start photography or taking pictures? When did you get an interest in doing that? Like in hot level, I was my father. He used to be photograph things, okay, but he was not professional photographer, okay, just to hold it. Yeah, and the I remember time when he has this in our bathroom, a red light and he did this films, you know. Yeah, I remember those times and the it was very interesting for me how you put the piece of paper in the year. Your Life Story, Your Life Story could be a movie. I get'd like, you know, cut to the when you're a kid in you're in the bathroom with your father right with...

...the red light on, and the way over these big water thing that you have to put wood to make it hot in the when you make it too hot, it started bowling a few times. I was this is like a some of the school boils boils, like on my skin, bubbles, oils, blisters, B stor see. It was like a hole. Every time I feel like I'm transfer from one world to another world, to another world, to another world, and it's so many worlds and I know that right now and in another world and tomorrow it can be another world and I'm just okay, is it? Because it's part of it. So when did you and how did your wife feel about you having this kind of big business? You had but fifteen employees. You were starting to go two different states and then you're up against a brick wall. You couldn't go any further with it personally and it just wasn't feasible. There's too much to it. How did you? How did you feel about taking this totally different transition, and your wife feel about? Okay, I'm going to get into photography? I don't think so. We like seeing these, my wife and like discussing this way, like yes, I do it, or should I not? I just said, like this time to go to this photography and the I start searching like a people, and at this moment I was you have enough knowledge to know that if I want to be a photography or I want to be a good photographier and I want to find a best one. Yeah, to learn from like I didn't have this, like I'm an artist and people should accept my art and should pay for me. Like it was not about it. It was like a more about like how it can be a professional. So I found the Peter Hurley. This is a headshot crew. He was speaking for some event and I was inspired how he worked with Porson. He's lightning and I'm like all this idea of portraits and get people close and sorry, before that, I start with real estate photography. I found the best real state photographers and they start learn from them. I did a few jobs for real estate, but then it get bored because the wolves not talk and wolves not in Gichi one. So I started thinking about portraits and I found thee are surely, and I learn. In one year I became he's a source associate. I was at first associate in Florida and the maybe in one unhappy year I went in Las Vegas. It was a three days, it goes. It was a first head shop mania, the meet up all hatshop photographers who does only head shots. We meet in Las Vegas. Sort of. No, no, no, you keep talking. This is this is for podcast anyway, so it doesn't matter. Could you? Can you think of? Okay, now you said Las Vegas. Yeah, and the can you think of being in Las Vegas and you know where you were, what you went through? A year and a half before that, you were in jail and you just got kicked out of maybe volumet, told the go leave your country, and now you're in Las Vegas kind of pursuing a dream? Can was it a little bit surreal for you, or were you like Nah, I'm just in the moment, I'm going to do this. Maybe tomorrow I might be stocking vegetables again. Yeah, I mean it kind of you know when it's coming slow it to you. It's you accepted. Give me one second piece. I will pause. So in last week, I guess it was a three days learning experience and on the end it was like a competition between all photographers. I believe it was about a hundred fifty or a hundred twenty people and from around the world. We have people from Europe, from one guy, he came from Qatar, and it was really fun and the the goal was to build a new portfolio for this time from people that you have there. And I want all four prizes on the Bust Day. I won't like a wiry Nice slides that they using right now to so and then I thought like what, what is the next step? Before you get the next step, I just ask that question. We just cut it a little bit. But how you're in Las Vegas. Your this you know, for lack of better terms, of Russian immigrant who had a very difficult time getting...

...here. You were just in jail a year and a half before that. You know, you had a one bedroom cat show house and now, a year and a half later, you're you're winning a competition in something that you've seen the love. I didn't you know about. You know. Again, at that point I don't feel good at where I want and where I am now. But even that, my friends who rent office for our construction company in Sarasoda. They have a partner in very nice place in Las Vegas and the living there and the right right after competition, everybody go to school, vpp waiting portrait meet up, the largest in us, and everybody meeting there. So they pick me up. Everybody Staying Hotel, but they pick me up and I stay in their place and they hang hang out with them, and I remember the moment when we sit in the in Beila Jo on the first floor in the Nice restaurant with all these fun things. It was very fancy. You Played Foker with them. They very, very nice people and we still like, we still talk the visiting us. They like hang out with our kids. So it was very, very nice experience. So with this experience, you decided. I mean you probably decided before that, but you were did you feel you were now on the right path? This is the this is the thing that kept your attention most. It's more right thought now. It's no anyr right path for you, for you right like. Yeah, only I know a hundred percent that if I choose something else, I was doing something else and think that it's totally fine. HMM. That's why people like alcoholics for example, they don't know that they are alcoholics, or maybe when they know that it's okay for them to be an alcoholic. So what do you do now? What is what is your life look like now? So after construction, with transition construction to the cleaning, because cleaning was construction was little tough because it always upside down. You know absolutely the way how cleaning structured. When you have a recurring customers, it give you more sustainable income. Yeah, this is was a big difference for us. Also, we start doing the idea was to work for in different states in the work with subconstructors and generate a lot of leads and the close them all and give it to sub subconstructors like ready to go job, because right now all this leady generators, you can buy elite, but you have to know how to close this lead, you have to know how to talk with this person in all the stuff. So we have a team. We all work in our up artning. Sometimes it was like up to nine people. It was like a sales and operation and like it was kind of fun. We was like a good we learn how to hire people, how to work with people, how to listen people. It was very good experience, and it was like this. In terms of business. It was like growing from straight at like zero, two, Sixtyzero in revenue, involve in five months and the next. Then you start dealing with people. It's not easy always. You have to know how to deal with them. You have to be involved, but if you don't want to deal with people, you cannot be involved. So any I know how to say that, but ideally for me, if I work with team of people that on the same page and they have they not not only bring drama. It's okay to bring your own life right, but people who listen you and who trying to be better, who like I give them all advice how to not be in drama, how to remove these things, how to life better, like how to raise your quality of for your life and all the stuff you eat all together every day. But then not everybody able to accept it. For a lot of people it's better...

...to see where they see because it's comfortable, and when you start pulling, pull them out, they start be not nice. So I will say working with people, it's still kind of goal to learn how to how to do it correctly, how to listen people. You know, a lot of times we even I know that you have to talk less about yourself and listen more. It's not always happen. So, but again, it's a great experience. I'm grateful for all these people that I work with and I'm very thankful that they brought this experience to me. So next, the idea was to build a platform where people can get a job without are you doing healthy, tough sorry. Are you doing this stuff by yourself, or do you have like a one partner that you're working with, or is this all on your own, like they'll? They use my life, my wife, you and your wife are just a good team leading this cruche. Yes, and I'm so thankful for my wife too, by the way. She she was very, very supportive in terms of she taking care of keys, she taking care of our house. She always should work very hard. I have very good wife. I enjoy my life, my life and my wife, and I think right now we slow down with coronavirus and we have few other potential businesses, like appliance repair, for example. Right now it's still working because people still it's essential and you still go can go out and we learn how to generate leads. At some point we generate about two hundred and fifty leads at day and we get overwhelmed. We didn't close them all, but this skill allowed us to pick service industry. Right now and Juneer eats with another partner. Right now we're thinking about to do look like a lead juneerate generation machine. What is there in the process right now? So you guys are doing a few things you're not necessarily doing. Say For yes, and this always good because when we was in Russia, because my wife, we used to have a fruit and vegetable store and the closed. or it's always good to have two different like weight, different things, even for purpose. When I pick, let's say photography and cleaning, it's like very different. Now I mostly focus my work on facial expression, coaching, on this mental masque, the people wearing and the physical masks. So do you want to talk a little bit about your photography? Now? What is it? What is it you do? So, I mean, if check out this gentleman's contact information, you're not you're not cheap. You're a high, high sought photographer. Now I mean you've you've made it your profession. I mean you're doing other things, but this is something obviously very talented at and the reason why I got in contact with you is because someone told me you were so good at what you do. Thank you, and it was had nothing to do with appliances or carpentry or anything like that. They said your photography and the advice that you do, that you give to help people express himself the best. Yeah, this is a photography, is a head shots. Even people are. Surely when I start learning from him, the main focus was on facial expression and make people look engaged, confident, approachable when you because it's like you're your first impression. Usually people, when they get photographed or on the video, the confused, they look scary or they have social smile, and other people they have no idea what effect it does for them, because you never know what opportunity you lost, like if somebody's keep your profile or skip to work with your contact with you, you will never know about it, right, and you living and you think always good, but you didn't the lasted opportunity because you weren't smiling naturally. Yeah, because you not provide your personality to other human and not enough information or you provide wrong information about yourself. And it's very big topic. When you have a mask on daily base...

...or online and you trying to sort of ways, but, for example, you trying to match your perception, your own perception about yourself, with exterior part, and you do, you work hard on it and you think that you look most attractive at this at this point. But when somebody who never saw it before see your image and see you in person and it's like two different person yeah, the trust is losing. Like you lose the trust by because they think it's a lie or facade. Yes, and it's very hard to gain trust, but it's very easy to lost. All the terms. Yea Very easy and the people lose this trust quickly and they have no idea about it. So in my goal was I found the coloration between this online presence. When good headshot photographer make you laugh, your body release endorphins and dolphins, relax your muscles and the then you'll genuine relax, in confident at the same moment, like right after a good laugh for some people. More I work with people, I figure out that's for some people, even good love not helping relax all their muscles, because the amount of tensions that they wearing on themselves is huge and a laugh is not going to fix it. Yes, and now I start working on them to fix it, and then I meet another problem. It's a mental thing. It's a mental musque. People believe that it's they are like a lot of people who you met before. They can smile and they think it's part of their personality and that your smile that you do, which I know you're doing it on purpose, looks like many people smile. Right, like that. Yeah, Jesus, smile right please. Right, yeah, you trying to make expectations of others and you trying to make your own perception about how you supposed to react and act and like behave. But it's usually it's wrong because you didn't study this part right, you don't heat, you have no idea. Just made it, made it up. You saw somebody smile fake and you just Oh, okay, this is worth this is very smile driving Mercedes and he smile with smirk. So I want to drive Mercedes. Let me smile, smile with say, let me remove all the people around me who was very nice to it's like your parents or someone's parents saying, Hey, do you want a job like that guy? Go look at that guy. Now people are looking at the guys and taking their smiles correct, because people influence them. But the think is, for example, musician or star, they became on the top not because he smiles with smirk. He developed the SMIRK on then, like on the process of his career or like childhood or whatever, but his actions and industry, in the music, in his products, made him be there. And this is wrong perception and the people like to easy ways. You know, when you look at someone, if you think that you will look the same, you will be successful as this person. So we're looking at the people who are at the pinnacle, at the top, but the SMIRK, and we're trying to grab their smirk, use it and say, Hey, I'm like them. Yes, yes, it's cool for in many places. But if you will go back to human behavior, when we used to like animals or other people, that the main purpose was like a SR wife and everybody want to kill us. Survival the first at the faces of other humans. To animals, when we see somebody showing teeth, that means they can bite, notus. Nothing good. Yes, subconsciously we read this very quickly, like quicker than we think, and we made this decision about trust this person or not before we thought about it. When we start thinking about it, we create excuses of our decision. We trying to make sure stify, transitions, soft and acceptable. So this is the problem and we create bunch of them for our self on daily basis and we kind of accept ourselves in wrong way and seeing majority the people and then, well, in turn, express it in a wrong way. Yes, and then, for example, you going to the job and you don't like your coworker, you hate...

...your boss, when your buss yelling on you, you want to say like you are Tata Tatata, and you cannot and you press your leaps physically, you holding yourself physically, and this is became your muscle memory as a day after day after day after day. Yes, it's like a year's of development. Or who you saw a lot of people with line here right when? They doing this like a king. Yeah, not always the thinking, the somewhere concentrating on something less. They not present day, trying too hard to focus on two things at the same time. And the people change their physical appearance, mental perception, and I figure out the the way how to first change, first remove this physical tensions and muscle memories and physical mask and then work on the mental to shift this perception about yourself and see who you really are and accepted and see what is real, really beauty are, because the beauty is not like how you smile. Beauty is not the how long your nose, for example, even if pretty nice raid. The beauty is energy that your wife loves you is the point sometimes, but the energy that you exchange with other humans and the world and how you accept yourself. If I if I think what you think about my nose, it means that I will think about myself. I will become a selfish I'm not thinking about our conversation, I'm not thinking about like, what to see. I will be like all about myself, and quality of my relationship will be lower. Yeah, quality of my life will be lower. But the biggest part, if I'm wearing the mask, let's say, smirk people who will accepts milk, who probably like like a defense and offense, defense and offense. They usually like a jerks. They will be around you and you can build this army of people who will accept your mask and you will sit behind your musk and you will be like know, this is cool, this is work. Yeah, I like, this is working. Yeah, yeah, after time you will realize that it's not, because it's kind of top. You know, you hit the top and you like, okay, I'm not learning here any anything else, any new. Let me show my face. Like what next? Either they became so deeply insecure, or when they became like a when they open up people's the Oh yeah, Whoa, who's this guy? You? No, no, maybe mine change you, or maybe I know something else will change you. So and you lose all these people. You you became a miserable because you know the feedback and you start be like, okay, should they be a bike there? And who I? Who I am really are? And you start suffering. And I mean if you get at the point of suffering, maybe it's a good because you at least I know that something's going on, acknowledging there is a problem. Yeah, a lot of people they live whole their life with musk and they have no idea who they are. They not enjoy people around because it's not their people and they waste a lot of energy to wearn this money. So when you have no mask, yeah, and the thing is, when you have mask, people who will accept you without mask. This this keep you. They not accepting your mask. The goal is to remove any mask, be yourself, and people who will accept you. They will stay with you forever and you don't have to pretend anything, you don't have to waste energy. You have to be you, you to be taxing you. Would be hard to keep the mask up and just being your normal self, right. You're doing double duty. Yes, and especially like a lot of divorces happening because of people. After like ten years, when they need they like he he ha, ha ha, all the mood, all this floor going. Then when it's time to pay bills, they like waiting with this person and they like wait, I mean, who is who you are? Like it was different. Now you're so rude to me. Now you don't like you. Now you don't love me. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And the some of them they accept because probably they have kids and they cannot change their lives. But some of them they divorce what is probably good truth and the if they don't learn from the first. You know these people who would divorce like four or...

...five supple times. It reminds me of a student that I once knew and I was helping work in a building and he was only twenty and he comes from a country that they give him a bride. So they gave him a bride and he couldn't get along with her and he kicked her out of the House, which meant kicking her out of the country and bring your sending her back home, and then his mom calls them up and he told me this story. He said, my mom said, I'm going to send you another bride, one bride. It could be her problem. If you have a problem with this second one, you're the problem. Yes, it's got a new bride, though I don't I hope he's doing well. I will even say the first one will be another problem. If you have no mosque. Yeah, absolutely so. In the right now, people coming. Can they have it's either coming from abuse in the childhood that we all experience in certain ways, and to be a victim, it's a big one. When you're victim, you kind of not allowed yourself to be in control of things and people, and the the way the photography helped me and the equipment helped me, with video and fo the that your own perception. When you look at the mirror, you look always the same things and you kind of get used to it and either you like it or don't like it doesn't matter. When someone slow you down and put you on pro in present moment, away from thoughts, and capture this moment, you able to see yourself through yourself, and you able to feel this energy from what's sitting in you. Yeah, you're very big on being in the moment right, being in the present moment. Yes, and then your brain accepted and brain shifting this perception so you're not no longer going to direction of having a smirk and being a cool for example, or have this social fake smile when you meet people. You have a this heavy perception of who you are and like how what exp what you experienced at the moment when you project this beauty to others. This is important to know and be at least be aware. A lot of people, they develop SMIRKS, like yesterday, I have a guy, he, he, he has double smirk. Depends on the situation or conversation. He's mere either one side or another side, and when he's more one side, another side, picking and then this and this, and his small plays like he climbing, climbing a smile. Yes, if you and be able right now see in the slow moon, be able to see in the a lot of pictures, all small changes, and when Corson experience this after the session. Session usually takes about four hours. We removing the physical tensions, make muscle elastic, and then, when you have no mask here, you work on how to arise this beauty, this energy, how to catch this feeling and how to be in control this feeling, so you not only change the perception, your own perception and how people receive you, you also change whole experience of everything, what's going on around you, because you in control of this. I will say good mood or bed mood control. You know how to rise and you can pull it whenever you need and when you when you build this muscle very heavy, it's very easy for you, like okay, boom, now it's so good. Now I can project and nothing stops here. Let's say Hillary Clinton and trump when was election, because the ladder that she claimed to be on the top was like a pretty tough way, right. Yeah, because she's lady and she's a politician. It's pretty tough who dost here. This is right, but because amount of defense and all amount of fake HMM involved, she developed he with having musk and when she smile even genuinely, when her body release some chemicals, she's still not project distrustwardness because it doesn't make your eyes, doesn't make you with your mouth. All these pensions. When you see pensions, your body feel like somebody holding something behind. And when trump, for example, he look like a joke, he act like a joke and he talked like a Jok. You know his next step...

...will be like a joke. And even if you Democrat you, you trust you more because you know what to expect from here. Because she holding some you weren't sure, no idea what to expect, and unknowing create the most scared thing in our life. When you unknown, it's a good place. So so, yeah, I said that you're very good and what you do and it was expensive, but you you take someone in for the you know, half a day or something. This is not come in, take a couple of minutes, take some shots yours. What are you doing with a client? Yeah, I don't work anymore with like a you're not doing the up doing passport photo. They sometimes they call me about the get upset when I offer them go to CBS or Walding. Makes Sense. They like, I know, the one hit shot photographer. He got like a better review of because he offered to go in other place anyway. But people look crazy sometimes. What is it? So you have different things going on, you have your handed, a bunch of different things, but what is most difficult about what you do on a regular basis? What is it? respired the card was on the beginning, when I did know about mosques. I when I start, just discovered these things. I remember my first lady when I she came, she was really, really nice. That must be the worst of peoples, like I'm giving you my best smiles there, like come on, kind and she was in revery. Be Company, in very high position. And the way how people develop this week in mosque. Sometimes it's became their reality. They are personality. It's very it's very hard to pull them out from there. So when I start pull them out, you basically make person uncomfortable and you do things that they not expect, because if they expect the still on the thing, you have to tell them something like okay, ugly sweetheart, turn this way. What did you say? What, for example, yeah, I know, yeah, throw curveball. Yeah, a lot of emotion. And when you pulled them out, I remember this moment when I'm when I get scared, I'm like, whoops, she thought about to leave, maybe a few times, but I thought about to leave you times. Real kind of all these tensions start kind of getting out. You know. Yeah, we throwing on you this negativity and it's can overwhelm if you have traded for it. Now I'm okay, I know what to expect. Like yeah, I miss kind of wise people and they know that. They will get upset. Some people, I even maybe not nice, but somebody complained that they have hard time to see and stand up. So we did like a seat and stand up a lot of times. So you do it on purpose. Yes, you're too real them and see who they are, and then from there you show them this is Oky, this assume, and they look, Whoa, this is scary. I'm like, yes, I just experienced it a busy on. It was scary. It was hard, believe me, I know. So, yeah, I know, it's a wow. Now accept it. It's part of you. They're not like all, okay, I have the scamer again, but you have to see, like all seasons of you and you have to provide all other people all seasons of you. So it's difficult trying to get the true person, especially initially when they don't know how you work and how you operate. So it's hard to get that true person out. That is a difficult part. Yes, the figure, the Masque, the harder to get them out, and the sometimes when it's too Fiak, it's very easy, but it's like explosion and you have to know that. I spring to the joy. What is the joy? At the thing that you like about your job? I like to help others like I enjoyed the like. For example, yesterday, he's the guy. He's very successful, he's running very successful business and the when he was a child, his father he beat him. Then he was like alcoholic and a lot of things in his life was tough, but he learned how to be in charge of your own life. My goal is to help him to leave more fulfilmed life if he will forgive himself, because he already...

...forgive his father. He works okay, but you his keep, for example, part of forgiving himself to be a victim of circumstances. Yeah, the all the memories that you have. If you still remember of somebody beat you up, it means that you didn't forgive them and it's still sitting inside you and it's like a ridiction and you feel it on daily basis. You tired, you exhausted and you trying to compensate a lot of time with alcohol or his drugs or his other stuff. But the keys to remove everything and be clear and then you able to absorb everything without any thoughts not coming to you. So, and my goal is if it conversation helped him to live better life, I'm enjoying. What about the the what I thought you were going to say is the pleasure or joy when the person breaks through. So in your session, where you have the person climbing the stairs of a grin with a woman who is a little hard hearted towards revealing herself, is there a moment that you know they get it and then they get that the glow of theirs, their true self, is is that a enjoyable part of your tribe, like Oh, I got it, I got it, there she is, or here, there he is. Yeah, it's not. It's first it's not always low. Sometimes it looks ugly, right. Yeah, and you have to accept it. So their true self looks ugly you. Yeah, usually it's sound comfortable. Yeah, you trying to. Like a lot of people, they trying to avoid through themselves because their true self is some hatred or some unresolved issues. Yeah, instead of fix those issues in the make yourself better, at least little bit better than you was. Yeah, the thing that the able to be like a new person and just live this animal living inside them and the but it's it's not possible. It will always coming. That's interesting, because I didn't, I guess I didn't think that you're getting the image of the true person in the true person might be an ugly person, like really, and then you like, this is who you are, which you just said it, but I didn't realize it that that's what you were that which what you are capturing. You weren't going to capture a beautiful picture all the time, you were going to capture the true person self, which you need. Come back next week. We might have a bad what you're looking for, but this week we're not going to get it. No, the goal is to get anyway from the first session they think is first you show them that, yeah, not just that you was wrong, but you show the another perspective, another angle of themselves, and then next step to take this row material like yeah, okay, ugly, whatever it is, and so how to use it and how to project from distant point in be beautiful anyway. And when person by himself, staying on front of the camera and I can just press shutter, I don't say anything, I just think there and they do from like fully relax face and thoughts and like energy to project this beauty, and they do it by themselves. They learn and they see result right away. The match their feelings with physical things and with whatever they should do in order to project this laugh. So and it's matching in with their perception, with their new perception. So it's kind of create new I don't know in the Ya, in the Galagy, what happened exactly in the brain, but in my brain is like a line. It's like new line, new path. Yeah, new path create and you know that this is your target, this is what where you want to go. And after session, it's not right away you like became super nice and approachable, but you know the target. This is important and you know, like who you truly are, and it's up to you. Later you will go back to your old path, but it's less likely because you already know the difference. Yeah, so when you see the difference, it's not a joyful to be fake you. It's joyful to be you and not thinking about it. When you stop thinking about it, now you get in the presence because now you think less. But dimn do you have? Do you have a hope, a goal with your photography? Is there something that you would...

...like to do, someone you would like can meet, you know, a show or an event or some aspiration and photography that you know is out there that you would like to attain. So with a facial expression coaching guy a building right now. It's called Face Academy and we building a facial expression course for people who struggling with masques and the fakeness and all the stuff, and later we will build the course for photographist, videographiers, psychologist who the step by step instruction how to pull people from from the stage and how to change perception. It's pretty simple steps and the teach other people how to do it so they can able to help more people. This is kind of goal. And, for example, after our plastic surgery, if you have a car accident, your face screeched or like, after reconstruction, your confidence level will be on the bottom and there's a way how to create this heavy target and, knowing who you are and knowing where you're going, like not play attention of physical appearance, and then you will start feeding all these people that you are drupped. The enjoys you, no matter what is in your face, because, if you start thinking about it, you're not attruct those people. So is there? What the is there? So you just mentioned this course that you're creating. Where can people contact you? What is the best way that people can get in touch with you, whether it's about life experience or or photography, or they need some appliances fixed, or they will call me and blame but they just want to chat. That's fine, you're really nice guy to to chat with. To appreciate it. You guys can find on instagram. It's by deem photos or by Deem David of or Linkedin or freeze by them. Vvadi am. Yes, they did. Of Da Vydov. Correct, absolutely correct. Do you have only couple more questions for you, and I really appreciate the time again, you've give me many hours. What is your advice? You got to think right. Your story is fascinating. Everyone has a story. I think you acknowledged. Right. Everyone has an interesting story and interesting past, but you, sir, have a pretty interesting past, thinking back of when you were a kid and you're getting a job, you know, in your parents vegetables shop, loading trucks, loading going into computers and traveling a little bit around the world there and now you are where you are, which I think you're pretty successful, whether individually in one of your professions or in the few that you're doing your you have things going well, but you know, things like pandemics and stuff occur. How or what advice would you give to people just starting off work that are insecure about starting? You mentioned some things about asking, not being afraid and thinking about when you were younger, you didn't get the job because you and you know you have a victim mentality, you know, thinking about them. What advice do you have for people looking for a job? Maybe some people like in this situation, who are in between or hate their job. What advice would you give to some people, and also maybe getting into photography or what have you, but just people looking to work? First of all, HMM, don't pull to yourself from jail. In my okay is bill is good, but that was that was not so bad. But yeah, when the singlar as a physical jail. And because if you telling yourself, I'm never be Blah Blah Blah, or I will be Blah Blah Blah. Like if you don't know what exactly you want to do or you not sure, like first don't look at other people. Go in experience, like just right now, stand up. Find any add if you have no job, like find any like first ad like first one. Apply, apply, apply, apply, apply on any job. Go and experience different jobs. This way you will learn what you like to do, what you want like absolutely. This way you will learn what people you would like to deal with or which one you don't. You will figure out your target audience, in your target of like Faff, and it's still will be not the final destination. By experience things,...

...you kind of removing everything what you don't like, you keep what you like and then you have new layer of what you like. Then from there you pick the best what you like and then create new layer and so on, and it will be continuous process. I mean, you can stop if you want, but if, after a few layers you already will be enjoy whatever, you'll kick. So my advice is do not think and do. What about the discourage? The same sort of advice, probably, but someone you know. I know people who have worked. They didn't like their career. They would like to switch jobs, but they're they don't want to get in trouble, they don't want to lose their job, but they don't know what to do. Yeah, the fear. Fear is huge, like you have to decide. You have to ask in your job. If you already working, is any chance you guys will promote me more? What what I can bring to the table that you guys able to promote me? Don't assume that you already doing like more than you supposed to do, because you already do it. You know you already do enough. So I will ask and they tell me if they start telling you already the second time that it's time or it's not the good time right now, or we will do like. If you feel that any kind of spinning wheel, they're putting you off. Yes, find another place. Experience, experience, experience, like if you before thirty years old, you you have to experience a lot of things. Don't stick with one. It's I think it's great experience. That great advice. It's the most experience you can get is going to be useful for you. The more you learn about yourself and the more you learn what you like what you don't like, just by experience. Things don't be a perfection. You don't try to be like pick one job and be like a after fifteen years I will be a CEO of this company before the going experience different companies, different industries, Different Sphinx. Then you will know that. Okay, I don't want to be I don't want to waste. You will save this fifteen years of your life. Is Better to realize that right now then after fifteen years, when you already there. You like wasted. I like guitar. Yeah, I would even say before you spend the fifteen years, excuse me, go wash the toilet in that business and see if you like the people right. Just try start, start in the beginning rather than waste your fifteen years trying to get there. Yeah, it's true. I have one more question for you. But deem, why do you work? It's a good question. Don't know how to answer. Like I have bunch of different answers. I don't know which one is better. There's no better answer. They're just I guess I'm painting the picture to show why we work. Why do you work? I think I work to MMM, I don't know what I'm work. I don't feel honestly, I don't think I'm work. I don't feel like I'm working and I remember feeling when I used to work and when I work and when at this time, if you ask me this question, I can see why. Because of my family, I have to them care of no, I have responsibility and Blah, blah, Blah Blah. But now I think I'm not working. It's just I'm living and this is the process. Yeah, and it's a process of working, the work. It's only when I do work when I receive money. It's only one of the small, small product, like a part of the process, and I can say that it's not work anymore because I enjoy what I do. I enjoy help other people and it's I don't feel it's a work. That's great answer, but, deem, thank you very kindly. You've been a great help and great asset and you've given us lots of things to think about and I appreciate you coming on here and I do hope to talk to you again. So yes, sounds good men, thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian v be sure to subscribe, follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive, be a joyful day in your work.

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