WhyWeWork BrianVee
WhyWeWork BrianVee

Episode 121 · 9 months ago

#121​ Trey Campbell - ESPN 97.5 Board Operator & Producer - BrianVee WhyWeWork

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Trey Campbell is a hard working young man who aspires to be a moderator by 2028, and in the meantime, he is honing his skills as a board operator and producer for ESPN 97.5, Houston.

Twittter
https://twitter.com/Juggalo_Trey48

Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/trey.campbell.5059

...welcome to why we work with your host,Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as wetogether dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seeminglymissteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which will be an encouragement to usall to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but workingis good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this iswhy we work today. I have the great pleasure speaking with Trey Campbell.Tray is a contributing author to ESPN, and he's a lover of NASCAR today. Iwant to find out from him where that love first came from. Also, why hethinks some racing fans 10 to hate NASCAR. Join me in my conversation withTrey Campbell. I'm Brian V. And this is why we work today. Have the greatpleasure of speaking with Trey Campbell. Good day. Fine, sir. Good day to you,sir. How you doing? I'm doing well. Trey. Thank you for doing this on shortnotice. I've been wanting to get you on for a while now since our mutual friendFrankie, I should say I shouldn't say, friend. I don't know if Frankie wouldcall me his friends, so I don't want to say that. He's I think he's your friend.But he's at me. He's at least my manager, right? That's what I I know alittle bit. Frankie has a distinct way of talking to people. Yeah, he he doesthat sometimes. Like, hey, tree, it's Frankie will. Go on Brian v work show.All right, Frankie, I got you. But I was planning on coming on anyway. Isthat my messenger is very strange. It filters out things, and I don't addsome things. I don't see so understandable. Tray, will. You do?Well, thank you for coming on, but will you do me a favor and tell us whatindustry you're working in and a little bit a little bit about your what you'reup to nowadays? Sure. Well, I work currently as a board operator slashradio producer for ESPN 97 5. It's very part time right now, but I'm in thebeginning stages and I'm trying basically what my my, what I do is, umthere's a big audio board and you turn the mics on, make sure the producersmics are on. You play music, beds, commercials, just all that kind ofstuff, and it's very rewarding. Um, when you hear yourself on the radio andpeople come in and and talk about you know what, what, like bits they likeand stuff, and I really enjoy it immensely. I also work. I've worked inconstruction for most of my life as well. Um, I've driven a dirt roller,but I don't do that as much anymore, but that that's also enjoyable, but notas enjoyable as the radio I can. Sometimes I find myself looking at atcranes and saying, or even dump trucks and, uh, cement trucks and peopleworking building apartment buildings like Man, I wish I could do that. Justjust stop what I'm doing and go do that right now. Yeah, and and it's veryaccessible. I mean, there's a lot of people that are just doing generallabors and stuff, but I was basically born on a backhoe. My dad put me ontobacco like immediately after I was born. So speaking of that, my questionwas going to be Why don't you bring us back into what was your first job. Whatwould have been the very first thing you did and maybe working on a backhoe.But what was the first thing you did as...

...a kid? Maybe that was exactly I wouldgo with my dad, too. Like sites. I would work on tugboats. Um, I wouldwork on apartment complexes. There's one. We were doing a clear lake. Iwould go to just all kinds of places. Wherever there was dirt, me and my dadwere there. And when I was young, how young were you when you first started?I was, like, maybe six years old. I think like no one is as far as I canremember going back. But my dad would be all right, son. Go pick up likelittle pieces of rebar or go pick up some of the trash that they throw onthe ground. So, little by little, I just kind of kept evolving. And, um, Ihad an end like a lot of people with my dad being such a big construction guy.But I did that. I I volunteered at a college for a little while when I wasin college, because they had those things where you could work like acertain amount of hours and, like, do like office stuff. So I did that for,like, not very long, but but just those two I I've been in the family businessfor most of my life. And so as you got into high school, were you thinking youwere going to continue, even though you volunteered to do something else incollege? Were you thinking you wanted to go the route of construction or Whatwere you thinking? Um, I was thinking that was gonna be kind of something Iwould do. Like as a side type of thing. My career was always to get into media.Um, I was inside. Was it side or you knew you could always fall back on it.That was Yeah. That's more or less. I knew I could fall back on it. And I canI can drive a dirt roller pretty well. I think I could probably figure out away to get back on one, But But I always said, like, I'm not doing thisforever. I mean, it's good. It's easy, easy money, but I'm not. My goal is notgonna be working on, uh and Clear Lake. I want to go into radio and I want togo into entertainment and journalism and all that. That was always my goal,and that was the way I I would try to get there. Did you find that watching your dad work in the industryturned you away from it? Or was the appeal to media just so strong thatthat's the direction you wanted to go? Well, I never really had anythingagainst um, working construction. I think it's very honorable when a lot ofthese people work their way up like my dad worked his way up and I thoughtthat was really cool and there's part of me that enjoyed going out there. Butit was just so hot and I really loved media more than anything like we wouldbe. We I would be going. I would be on the roller for about 8 to 9 hours a dayand then I go to the station at night and I was like, completely miserablewhen I would go to the station because I was so tired. But I knew like when Igot there, everything was, was better and like everything felt normal. sothat that was when I knew I was like, You know, I can be here and and take mylumps kind of intern here for a while while I'm doing this. And maybe it'llwork up to something, and I'll just keep driving the dirt roller for safekeeping, you know, And and that's how it kind of went. Um, overall, it wasjust my I just had more of profanity for working in media. Is theresomething? Is there something that you're gearing towards so out of highschool, you're thinking media. Was there some attraction to something inparticular? Yeah, I always like when I was young, I would watch the news and Iwould watch like SportsCenter a lot.

And I would think it was really coolhow the presentation went. And it just it just grew as as much a lot more whenI finally went to, in turn at the ESPN 97 5 year in Houston in 2017, and I waslike, I really fell in love with it then, like I liked how you cut audioand did all the audio editing and there was all this stuff, and I really likehow? Like there would be people coming in and out, and I thought it was reallycool. But overall, um, yeah, I had always kind of had admiration Is to dothat go into in the sports media or just media in general. So 2017, yourfirst experience with media? Yeah, it was October 60th or no, October 29th.It was right before Halloween. Um, and, uh, that was my first day. I had knownthat the guys before, but I didn't. I didn't work for them, but, like, theyknew me and they were they were excited to kinda have me working there because,like, I don't know, they just kind of took took a liking to me. So basically,I just kind of, uh yeah, that's pretty much all of it. Like I started in 2017.I started interning and working on the side, but but yeah, that was that washow it started. And what is it? What is your niche? What is it? So ESPN sportsIs this what you want to stay in? Is this what you have to love for yourwhole life? Is more of a sports rather than an entertainment of, say, moviesor something like that. Yeah, I think both would be really cool. Um, I wouldI i c I But sports is my first sort of my niche. I'm really in motorsports.More than anything, that would be my end goal is to cover motorsports NASCARF one, um, anything, really with an engine. That race is I want to cover.But but yeah, I think sports, although I would love to be. I I always like inmy head. I've done stand up routines in my head, so I would be cool to be acomedian. But you know, it's that the world is really kind of an oyster atthis. At this point, I'm just trying to figure out which. But overall, my endgoal is to cover NASCAR. Isn't it funny, though it's It's like I mentioned aboutconstruction, and I have to be careful when I say, like I look at that and Ijust want to go do it. Maybe the constructions guy might say You're notgoing to be able to do it in the same way with comedy, right? I'm like Iwould love I think more so I'd like to try stand up comedy than construction.But sometimes I still would like to do construction just to get your handsdirty. But to get up on stage and to deliver something. Have you seen someof those Netflix specials and some of those things on comedy? Is that kind ofgrowing your love for comedy and the and the process that goes behind it forsure? Yeah, that, and knowing a couple of people that do it around here isreally, really kind of thought. It was cool like, um but yeah, especiallypeople that are big, like Bill Burr. Um, you know, Nathan Fielder's people likethat really influenced me to want to create sort of a tangible type ofentertainment product, like comedy or something like that for sports. Youmentioned NASCAR, and I have this question because I read somewhere thatyou, you know, your NASCAR and I love NASCAR. But I I definitely don't havethe knowledge you have, especially being in South Korea for so long, Ihave no idea. No, not at all. I mean, people drive as if they know about it,but maybe more formula F one racing. Where did that love for NASCAR? I loveNASCAR. Just everything about it. I wish I could be in a place that I cango to an event, you know. I know in my...

...hometown of Halifax, Nova Scotia, outnear the airport, we have this small track and it seems like they push onthe pedal. They have to get into the turn. And I brought my son once andit's one of his favorite memories because they also had monster trucksthere. What was what was your first introduction into NASCAR? Well, when Iwas young, my dad he raced at a local dirt track here in Baytown. He had thisold, like Camaro that erased, and it he he did that for a while, and I guess healways was a big car guy. And it was just on. At some point, I think my dadliked watching it, but like it was on and when I was a baby, I just like itjust It just clicked. And when I was younger, when I grew up a little bitmore, I just started reading NASCAR Guide like Front to Back, like all dayand writing stuff down and I was like, It just became my livelihood and I waslike, Man, I don't I got to get into this some way and and and that's what Iwould say It came from my dad more than anything and the colors. I really likethe colours, too. So you mentioned your love of engine so I can see how youwould love NASCAR and F one. But I find there's a lot of people I'm saying thisgeneralist, but a lot of people don't like NASCAR, and I can't understand it.Do you have any idea even why racing fans like F one racing fans or someother sort of motorsport just they don't get NASCAR? Some people? Oh,you're always turning laughter. You know you can't make a right turn orwhatever it is, absolutely. But do you have any idea what it is? And whatwould you say to those people who are not quite sure and just don't get it?Well, there's a multitude of things I would think, um, number one being it'sIt's as simple as like, Oh, it's just 38 cars turning left when it's andpeople don't understand the nuances and how to set up a car and all that andthe strategy that goes into it. But it's kind of hard to get into. I canunderstand that the the whole nuances and everything. Another thing is someof the fans are kind of a rough crowd. Um, you know, some some people may seesome of the fans and be like, I don't know if I want to be around thesepeople and which couldn't be further from the truth. NASCAR fans are prettynice altogether, but But I think what it all comes down to is as simple as,Ah, it's just cars. They think it's just car is running around in circleswhen it's a whole lot more complex than that. And for some people, I think it'sjust really difficult to keep them occupied to watch the watch a race, Iguess, and a lot of them are pretty long. So do you like, and I can'tarticulate it well, what they're doing, but how they've separated a race forparticular points so that they're, you know, the first so many laps, they'regetting their points and so they're racing to that, particularly the 100thlap. Or do you like how they've they've incorporated that into more, morestrategical way of racing? Do you like how they've done that versus the olderway? Yes and no. I mean, I think it incentivizes everybody to run up front,the whole race and not sandbag, and to an extent, I get why they did that. Butit takes away sort of the the traditional appeal of NASCAR to mebecause I get it. You got Charlotte the Coke 600. It's 400 laps, 600 miles.When it's like lap to 25 there's not gonna be a lot to talk about, so I getwhy they did it. But overall, I'm so used to watching, like, a full race inits entirety. Yeah, it never bothered me, but I think I think overall I thinkit's kind of cool how they distribute...

...the points from each each stage. And,uh, I think that's kind of cool. But I would I would much rather see sort ofwhat they were doing pre 2017, where they just had a whole whole races. And,uh, you know, it was a lot easier for me to kind of follow, but I get it 100%why they did it. So you mentioned your position now at 97.5, and you kind oftalked about the process of it. What is something difficult you didn'tanticipate? You're only a few years in. You're kind of doing a part time. Butwhat is something difficult and what brings you the most satisfaction? Youkind of mentioned hearing your voice on the on the radio or hearing yourself orpeople commenting. But what are some difficulties in some satisfaction asyou get from your job? Well, the biggest difficulty for me is, you know,there's a lot of steps, and for me, I'm sort of I'm more of I don't reallythink too much in steps. I just try to get everything done. But there's a lotof steps, and there's a lot of little things you you do, and if you forget todo them, it messes up the whole thing. For instance, like we have a twocomputers, one plays like music and everything, and the other plays thecommercials and on the button on that computer, you have to click mutesatellites every so often or the commercials will start playing and yougotta go back and drag all the tabs and rebuild where the commercials have tobe. And I forget to press that a lot, and sometimes it'll just start playingthe commercials, but nobody will hear it. But it will be kind of a pain to goback and rebuild everything but the biggest. The best thing about doingwhat I do is when you go into a a show that's really tough to do, and there'sa lot of things you've got to do, and you just do everything perfectly. Andwhen you're done, you're like, Man, we did, I did that and you hear it back onon the podcast and you're like, Wow, that was really good. I really did agood job and that's the best thing. Like there's a show called The Blitzand there's a lot of things you gotta do. You gotta like, make audio, like,sort of, uh, you got to make, like, a rewind that summarizes the whole show.You gonna do that like, like, really quickly. You gotta play like certaincommercials, and it's really tough. So when you do something like thatperfectly, and you just nail it. It's the best feeling I'm like, man, I'vealways had trouble with this, and now I'm finally progressing to where I'vedone everything like perfectly and nothing happened bad. So I think thoseare the two things. But overall, it's really cool to have people reach out toyou on the phone and stuff and say You're doing good and the feedback youget is another really good the best part of it. So for people getting intothe industry or just for yourself, realizing it, what is a skill thatyou've had to develop or it's something that you know? You may be lacking, butyou're working towards perfecting it. Yeah, I think the biggest skill thatI've learned from this is sort of the responsibility of it, you know, like Ihad a lot of I didn't have as many responsibilities, and I was justdriving a dirt roller. I just drove the roller. Some days I would sign ticketsfor dump trucks that are coming in, and it was very rudimentary stuff. But onthis one, you have to get there early at the show prep. You have to pullaudio. It showed me how to kind of, you know, do tasks and stuff. And it's It'sbeen a big help on remembering things and, you know, just overall, like it'salso showed me how to work with people...

...a lot more because I didn't work with alot of people before, But like it, it showed me all that and the importanceof, like, connecting. You're making connections with people and stuff andyou know that that's what it's kind of. And it showed the skill, another skill,like if we're getting, we're talking just basic like skills. It showed mehow to work with adobe audacity and how to write stuff. So just those are yourbasic things. But if you're talking more about, like, you know, you're sortof get personal, Yeah, interpersonal stuff. That's exactly what it's whatIt's really benefited in both ways. So since you're doing this part time, areyou Are you doing construction as well? Are you doing some other job? Not atthe moment. Right now. I'm It's been a tough couple of it's been Two monthsago, my dad passed away of a covid 19. Yeah, it's I've I've kind of made peacewith it a little bit, but I've been applying to places and, uh, buteverybody's kind of just been saying, don't worry, just kind of focus onradio and all that, but But, like, that's pretty much occupied most of mytime, you know, getting everything set up in the will and sort of doing taxstuff and all that. And how do you stay productive trade? Because that's whatI'm leading to the question. Because my mom passed away a year ago as well. Notcovid from cancer. And I saw some of your posts that your dad passed awayand how great of a man he was. And I believe he is the one who did theaction figure no for for Frankie. Um, no, no, no, I don't think so. My dad, Idon't think I ever knew Frankie, actually, but I think the guy who didthe action figure actually was in Ohio, in Ohio. I can understand, though,where you would get that mixed up because my dad was a sort of a handyperson with tools and stuff. How do you stay productive with you know, you havea part time job. You have a difficulty just two months ago and you're stillgoing through it. How how are you staying? Productive, motivated and kindof inspired to keep going? What is driving you? What is motivating you?Well, really and truly, Um, I've just been kind of trying to, like, do basicstuff. You know, like I've been trying. I just kind of apply to places. That'swhat My biggest motivator is that like, I'll get it. I'll kind of get anotheranother job to kind of keep me productive and stuff. And I've had acouple of interviews, but that's really my biggest motivator to to, um, to beproductive is just kind of like being able to do what I want to do and goingto races and stuff and covering NASCAR. And you know that. I think that'sprobably what it is. And that and helping people around me like like Ireally like my friends will need help with stuff at their house, and I'll golike help them. But but staying for that's what that's what kept meproductive more than anything to answer. Your first question is, is going andhelping my friends. He's in the middle of a move. So that and you know, justtrying to talk to as many people as possible. And because if you thinkabout it, if you think about losing someone just a couple of months ago,that is hard. Having a part time job, not only a part time job but having apart time job that's not a full time job. Some people might be discouragedby that, but you're not saying that's how you are not saying that you'renever discouraged, but you keep you keep going. You're putting 1 ft infront of the other, even though you've experienced this difficulty and you'renot where you want to be professionally yet. So it's really good on you eventhough you're young, right, and to be...

...going through this sort of thing. Ijust want to let you know that I think it's really good that you are stayingproductive. Whatever your motivation is because you're still working at it andit and it's pretty good and it's an inspiration for other people whosometimes they go through some of these things and they give up right. Theyjust let things go and they don't work. And they don't help out with whateverpaperwork and all that stuff. Or they don't help with other friends, right?Some people will shut right off, but you're not doing that. So that's goodon you. Yeah, I appreciate that. You know, I've always been taught from ayoung age, too. Anything that you want to do, you can You can do it as long asyou set your mind to it and just be persistent. And you know, there's gonnabe times where, like, you don't have any hours this week. You know, there'sgonna be times where I'll get discouraged, but you know, usually havea lot of people to help me, and, um, it's been really good, so I just kindaI just kind of like, take a day by day more than anything, and I'm like, Allright, well, today was kinda lame, but, you know, tomorrow we'll figure itfigure something out, and that's like today it was kind of lame, but tomorrowfigure I wish I thought like that often. Yeah, it's, um it's taken me forever. Imean, when I was when I was, like, really young, when I was like 16 17 andhigh school. I was like trying to figure out everything I could. Istruggled academically, um, and stuff. And I was under like, I was like, Ican't I keep I can't ever think about all this stuff and I get I got reallyscatterbrained and stuff, but like, people kind of told calm me down, and Ifound a way to get through it. And that's how it was when I was reallyyoung and I was really scatterbrained around, getting out of high school andgoing to college. I was like, Man, I can't keep up with all this stuff and Icouldn't I would get stressed out. But ever since the dad passed away, I'vebeen, you know, there's no reason to be stressed out. At some point,everything's gonna work out. Even if it doesn't work out at the radio station,it's okay. We can work somewhere else. I just I just try to remind myself thateverything's gonna be all right and it's going to pass, regardless of whathappens and I tried. I've tried to find a way to be all right, regardless, evenif I was like homeless or something. I'd still trying to find a way to, like,see the best of it, I guess. But but But it's tough sometimes not to getdiscouraged. But overall, that's what's helped me through. Is is realizing thatit's all gonna pass. It's all temporary tray, knowing that you started workingat the age of six, helping your dad being a kind of a gofer. And otherpeople start from there up until 12 or other people who change their career,change their job from one to another, maybe into something that leads tosomething. Do you have some advice for people, whether they're starting a jobfor the first time or they're changing their career? Absolutely. Um, the firstthing I have to say is, um, I guess if you're going into like your first joband you're like a teenager or something, I wouldn't get too complacent and andrely too much on like I'd still do all the I'd still be a responsible workershow up early and everything, but, like I wouldn't I would try my best to touse that as like a springboard to what you really want to do. But when itcomes to starting your career. The best thing I can say always be there. Youknow, even if like if you really love going somewhere, just just be there.You know, like even if you don't have to be, just go be there for a fewminutes, you know, hang out with some...

...of the people, do some extra stuff likelike like with me. I go and record a podcast up there once a week or I'llhave Frankie on or I'll have and I have somebody else on. But that's my biggestschool. If you really love something, just just be there as much as you canand make that sort of your biggest. Your biggest, like starting point is tojust show up and and kinda and always be early, obviously. But just just bethere as much as you can get to know everybody. That's probably my biggest.My biggest word of advice. I say this and thinking you have a good head ofhair on you, but you also have a good head on your shoulders. So do you havesome moral beacon that's kind of guiding you along something that youlook to you mentioned how instrumental your dad was in your life. But what isit that kind of is the bedrock of your morals and values? Well, I thinkoverall, when it comes to moral morality, I think the my biggest thingis just treat people kindly and just treat people the way you would want tobe treated. I guess the golden rule, what they call it that and and just bejust be decent to people you know. Don't go out of your way, too. Try andmake have give people a hard time and I guess just make things better. I don'tknow if there's so much a higher power up there that I would really say Ifollow. But overall, I believe in the sort of the act of just being decent topeople and and not and you know, not going out like when If somebody livesnext door to you and unless they're not breaking the law or doing somethingreally inherently bad, like beating their wife or anything, I just kind ofleave people alone, you know, to their own devices. But I would say my biggest.The biggest bedrock. I guess that as you mentioned of my more morality. Thefoundation of it is to just be decent to people, you know, regardless of whatthey think regard like, you know, regardless, if there they fall on theleft or the right, just just treat them like humans. I guess you know, like andunder understand that that doesn't make what a person is. It's all. It's allabout how that person treats other people, I guess, And if they don'ttreat somebody the best way you don't have, you just kind of don't reallyassociate with them. But if they treat if they if they fall under the samesort of decency you do, that's the people. I guess I kind of want to bearound, and that's really it. Really. Just just be good to people, I guess.Tray. As we get older, we learn different things. How is your view?Since you mentioned, you kind of struggled in high school with youreducation, and as we get older, our bodies start to break down. So what'syour general view of education and exercise? Education in America has itsfaults. I'm not a big fan of standardized testing. I think it's notthe proper way to sort of past get these kids through. And I think thatthere needs to be more options, I guess when it but like, but I don't thinkit's terrible. Um, we're certainly not where you guys All right, Imagine inSouth Korea education is a whole lot more more, I guess more pushed for itis there's a lot of tests. I was talking to someone grade nine yesterdayand she said So many tests, so many tests, so many tests. Uh, and there'sthere's a lot of pressure to the point...

...where that pushes kids to suicide. Soyeah, and that's not right. I don't think there should be that muchpressure. Um, the thing is, a lot of high school kids here in Americathey're there because they have to be there. They're not there because theyreally want an education. But overall, um, you know, it's really difficult topinpoint exactly what everybody should know. I mean, you have your bread andbutter meat and potatoes type of things, like paying bills and balancing a checkand all that. But really and truly, I guess what it all comes down to is dokids really need to know the Pythagorean theorem. You know, to besmart, I guess, you know, or do they need to to know? You know, all thesesort of mathematical things, like I guess, and to an extent they do. But,like, you know, I think it's it's less. It's more about like trying to pass thestandardized tests than it is like trying to prepare people for normallife, I guess. But overall, I don't think it's terrible. I think it's, Ithink it's all right. I don't really have any complaints with how I wastaught. Now exercise I. I really enjoy doing, too. I sometimes go throughphases where I don't do it as much as I should. But I really like walking, andI think that's really important. Um, it's a good way of clearing your mindand stuff, and in America it's very it's not as it's not as um talked about,I guess in education, Um, you have gym class, obviously. But you know, theeducation system in the United States, to me just kind of feels reallycorporate, and it's about trying to get the test prep places their money, and Ijust feel like it's kind of it's not gonna It's not really going to show youexactly what reality is, in my opinion, so that but in other places, I think itworks. But I I don't know it school to me. I know I had a really hard time inschool, but but I don't know, it was it's It's very touchy, I guess. Butoverall, I think it could be better. Well, I said, You have a good head onyour shoulder. When I was younger, I thought walking was a joke, likewalking, Is it exercise? And now, as I'm getting older, it's the onlyexercise I can do. And I find it most most valuable. Yeah, I think for a walk,I think I think walking is really, um it's pretty essential. I guess yougotta walk everywhere. Someone told me the other day is like and I interviewedhim. He's Canadian basketball player and he said, Yeah, you're over in Asia,where Asians, Japanese and China, Chinese and Koreans in particular tendto walk. You don't see them working out so hard. Some do, but they just knowthat that's going to maintain your body as well, and they tend to take goodcare of themselves. Yeah, here in America, it's very different. Um, likein the South, in Texas, everything's so spread out. So everybody drives around.Nobody really walks places like in New York or again or all these. But, likeeverybody just kind of drives around. And, um, I've fallen victim to thatanywhere I can drive to. I'd much rather drive to than walk, But walkingis very much the the basic fundamentals, I guess. And, uh, you know, it's goodthat it's good. It's a good way to clear your mind to, you know, it'sfunny. We we get, we drive to a place and we want that parking spot right upfront because the one a little bit where it's empty and there's no othercars, and it would probably be good for...

...your car anyway. And good for you, wetend not to sit around a few times. I've I've seen that a lot, and, uh,going to like Walmart and stuff. It's just it's like it's so crazy becauselike they'll be car wrecks and stuff. And it's just the one thing aboutparking lots, like what you were saying there that I really despise our peoplethat leave their carts and they don't take them back to the car. Dark car dark. And I love thatdude. He's doing the Lord's where that guy is doing the Lord's work becausepeople who like they'll be sometimes where they'll park right next to thething and they'll still leave them there. I'm like you can't walk like 5ft. He had one on yesterday. A couple of days ago. It came up on my YouTubeand and he freaked out. He kept at it. At some point, you gotta you gotta,like, say, is it We're getting pestered. Let me just put the card back. Butthese people, they stick to their guns know that they're really she wasthreatened to kill him. Yeah, it's just a car back. It's just so ridiculous tome. I mean, it's that goes back to human decency, like the least you cando is take a cart to the to the cart cart corral. It's just so it's so itreally irritates me, and I go when I go to the store and I see carts aroundthere. I'm tempted to take them back myself, But I'm like, No, I don't havetime for that. But I'm like, Man, this is ridiculous. But yeah, it just kindof goes to show in America like it's very, uh, there's a lot of concern,sort of materialistic, type of type of behavior. I guess a lot of it happenshere in Korea, too, and I, you know, we don't know someone's heartand the reason why they're thinking. But it's the and the lady said it, too.They pay someone to pick this up, right? So that's the idea. Some of thepeople's ideas, it's someone's paid to pick this up, so why should I? But hecomes back. He's like, Yeah, but you don't urinate on a toilet on purpose oryou don't wreck the entire hotel room just because someone's you don't dothat on purpose. You don't Your kid doesn't trash your house just to say,you know you don't want your kid to trash the house and say, Hey, Mom,we're gonna is going to pick it up That that's pretty poor logic. Yeah, I Iagree. I mean, like, just because someone's paid to do it doesn't meanyou have to be like a jerk to him and and, you know, like and I get that wayof thinking and there's certain there's obviously certain sort of, uh, there'scertain excuses. There are certain circumstances that you could have, youknow, like if you if, like somebody's hurt and you're trying to get or you'retrying to get somewhere important, I get it. But like if you're just leavingyour cart there just for, I mean, that could damage people's cars and it'sjust it's just I just think it's absolutely lazy. And it's anotherreason why I have this podcast, too, is I? I want to encourage people to workif they have Children, get their kids to work by having a list of jobs beforeyou start your career, or even if you just have one, or you just happen tohave you know, the basic human appreciation for others to say, Youknow what that job they do like. I remember working at a restaurant or mymom worked at a restaurant for a long time, so I have a tendency to have aappreciation towards people who have to bus tables, right, so I don't kind ofleave my table a mess for this person who has 100 tables to clean up this day.Not to make mind the worst. So when people have those types of jobs. So ifsomeone worked as a bag boy or bag girl...

...at a restaurant at a grocery store andhappen to be a cart buggy person, then they're going to appreciate to like, Oh,I wish I had just one less car today. And if you're the person who has a cartand puts it back, that's actually helping them, not only not damaging acar. Yeah, absolutely. And that's That's, I think, the biggest genesis oflike why I would do it because, you know, like you don't know. There couldbe somebody who has a harder time, and they need to get home or something. Andif it's little if even if it's a little bit less work that they're going to do,I'm I'm happy to do it on my end. And I think, like you said, it just basedempathy for people, you know, Like you said, You've been there at a restaurant,you know, it's just empathy, you know, like it's You got to have a job likethat. It's not easy. I'm sure to be a bus boy. You have a lot of a lot ofdishes to get, so it's if it makes people people's job a little bit easier.I think it comes back around full circle and people have. It just makessociety a whole lot. You think society would be a lot better now? There's somany social warriors on the Internet, it seems like everyone's that would bethe greatest. But you go out there and it's like, Yeah, and and to and to adegree like, um, there's a lot of people on Twitter that I think don'tactually understand what's going on And and I think there's serious issues thatthey just only battle is on Twitter. You mean Yeah, like I think there'sthere's serious issues and instead of sort of understanding those issues andsome of the nuances, a lot of them just see what people will react to or we'llget them sort of clout in a way they don't they don't want to. They don'tactually care about the cause. They're just trying to sort of fit in, and Isee that a lot with celebrities. There's a lot of virtue signaling, Um,and it's it's not its It's so it's so frustrating, you know? Like, I don'twant to hear what Tim Allen has to say, or I don't want to hear what whatChrissy Teagan has to say about anything because, you know, they've hadIt's hard to empathize with those type of people, but I don't know. It justseems really ridiculous, Like on Twitter. You know, like and and a lotof people are just trying really hard to look cool instead of actually seeingwhat's wrong and how they can fix stuff, I guess. Yeah. Those are little weaponspeople use. I think they just kind of slice people like What is it 1000 cutsof death or what is that saying? Um, yeah, I'm not sure. I guess, um, youlive by the sword. You die by the sword. I don't know. That could be one. Um,but, uh, you Trey, what is your What is your ultimate goal for media? What?What are you hoping to do? Have your own show. Be the director producer.What is what is your higher goal. My goal as a media personality is to tryand be as center as possible. When it comes to issues. I want to try and talkto people and figure out what it is that they think the way they do. And,you know, I want to give people sort of unless they're like, what? Like Nazisor or whatever. I want to give everybody a chance to sort of say whatthey have to say and try to come to an understanding to why people think thatand I want. I want other people to. I want to. I want to be seen as somebodywho sort of sees both sides of stuff,...

...and that's my end goal is to put out aproduct or put out a sort of a show where people where we where thingsissues can be talked about and there isn't any like anger, malice, and I canunderstand sort of on both sides. Like I guess I guess I want to be amoderator more than anything like I want to be kind of like, um sort of amoderator. Two things, I guess, is what I'm going for and that's that's myangle. Is there anything for you to reach that goal? Is there anything thatpeople may not understand about you that you would like them to understandso they can have a better appreciation for the work that you're bringing tothe table? Yeah. I mean, I've always like when I was young, I got wrapped upin a lot of what I saw, and I still think some of its valid. But like whenI was young, I was very, very sort of skewed to the left. I guess of things.And now I'm trying to be like, dead center. But, like, I don't want peopleto think that because of what I was when I was younger, I'm not gonnalisten to what they have to say. Like, I want people to know that whateverthey think, I'm trying my best to understand the view from their world,whether it be somebody who is trying to get their message across with policebrutality or why police brutality doesn't exist either. One I want tohear sort of what both sides are and understand, So I can empathize a littlebit better with what they think because I can't empathize with a lot of thosepeople. I have to know and you know it's because I'll never experience someof those issues, as you know, but like, I want to at least try to understandhow I can help with both sides and how we can make things better. I guess as asociety, that's my ankle. Is there any adversity that you havefaced that you can use to help encourage people in the adversity thatthey're facing in their work or in their life? This is a great question,because when I back when I was about six or seven years old, as in firstgrade, the biggest obstacle I ever had to face through all of this I wasdiagnosed with with Asperger's syndrome, which is now called Autism SpectrumDisorder, or whatever there's there's a different name for it every day. Youknow, they changed the names up on these things a lot, but I was diagnosedwith that, and that's been the biggest turtle I've ever had to climb up. Youcan as you can tell, there's sort of queues. I have hard times like lookingpeople in the eyes and sometimes when somebody's joking, I have a hard timerecognizing that they're joking. It takes me a minute, but like that'sprobably been my biggest. Adversity is dealing with sort of the autism andstuff. And funny that you mentioned it. How Frankie and me kind of like how meand you kind of came about because of Frankie. I really looked at Frankie issome sort of a motivator with everything he's had to go through aswell. I know he's also on. He also has autism spectrum disorder. I believe aswell. And I thought that was really cool, how he put it, how he went out infront of all these people and did what he did, and everybody really liked it.So that was that was a big motivator. But yeah, that's probably been mybiggest obstacle is dealing with the, uh, with Asperger's syndrome throughoutmy life and a few other things a d, h, d and all that. Just the normal stuffthey give you so but that's probably been it. How would you use what you'reexperiencing as an encouragement for...

...other people in what they face? Thebest thing I would say to people is that I Listen, I did it, but I'm on amuch different path than a lot of people. But the best thing you can dois just do do what you wanna do, You know, that's the best thing you can do.And everybody has limitations. And, um, But if you do what you you want to do,people will recognize that and they will be willing to accept you forwhoever you are and whatever, whatever things you have to deal with, as longas you just do what you do and just treat people kindly, I guess, and havehuman decency. But that would be my biggest motivator. My biggest word ofadvice to people in my position is just keep doing it, you know? And don'tworry too much about, like, clouds or anything. Just do what you love doing,and that's that's what's helped me through. You know? How can people get in touch with you,Trey? So I have Twitter. Um, my twitter is juggle o underscore tray 48. That'sa nickname they gave me at the radio station. Um, that's pretty muchprimarily where I'm at the most is Twitter. it's a w underscore 48 onTwitter. It's a that's my Twitter username if you would like to follow me,but But yeah, like that's pretty much it. I don't I don't really go on.Instagram are all that. I try to limit my social media as much as possible.I'll go on Facebook and look at, like, old memories and stuff or post pictures.But pretty much Twitter is where I get a lot of the news and stuff, like insports. So, um, that's what I try my best to be on. So if you'd like to findme, I'll be I'll be on Twitter. I have one final question for you. Is thereanything that, besides this question? Is there anything that we haven'ttouched upon that you'd like to bring up anything else you would like to add?Well, like, I was sort of wondering how you got to South Korea. That was sortof like, uh, how what led you there. I guess there's this story when peopleask me this that I know it as well. Um, I was sitting at a party at KatieUniversity where I went to school, and there was this couple sitting there andthey happened to just return from Japan? I was like, Oh, not knowing what I wantto do with my future So I was like, Oh, that sounds great. How do I go there?What do I do? They go, Well, it's It's a great experience, but you probably atthat time, which was probably 2000 and one. They said You might want to go toKorea because because it's a better economy or it was had a better economyat the time. And then during that time, my mom happened to be working in lowersackful in the Downs View Motel, which was owned by Koreans. And so Imentioned to them, Maybe I'm thinking about going to teach English in anothercountry. They said, Well, if you do, we've got a place for you And within acouple of years I said, Yeah, I'm going to do it and I left in 2000 and five.That's really cool. What's it? That's like, got to be a big culture shockgoing from Canada and imagine to South Korea it was it was different. There'slots of things that I still you know, on and off. We were here and I married.My dear wife is Korean, so I'm married into it. Now I can't escape.But we went to Canada, Tried Canada, didn't really work out for us. So wecame back here. So on and off. I've been here for 11 years, but withknowing that family in my hometown, that Korean family and they had theirin laws living there too. So it wasn't that they gave me Korean food andtaught me how to use chopsticks and all of that. And just growing up with inCanada, my hometown is a little bit more multicultural to an extent, Canadatends to be like that. So it wasn't It wasn't a shock. It was different. But Iaccepted it. Um, you know, the biggest thing I think was probably kimchi. Thesmell of kimchi when I got off the...

...plane is like, but I knew the smell inmy hometown. I was like, Wow, there's lots of smells around here. But thenafter living here a couple months, then I smelled just like it, so yeah, yeah,you kind of go nose blind to things I'd imagine. You know, like like ifsomebody moved here to Baytown, they wouldn't be so used to the smell of oilrefineries or smoke clouds. But after, like 25 years and just you just kind ofbecome nose blind to step that kind of stuff. I'd imagine so. But, yeah,that's cool. I always wanted to go to South Korea. It's a nice place, Niceplace to visit. It's not very touristy, like foreign touristy. It's more ofSouth Korean. It's made for South Koreans and they kind of keep it thatway. Yeah, you hear a lot about your neighbors up there in the North. Whatman? That's gotta be pretty interesting. It's well, I think he fired a couple ofmissiles there a couple days ago. I mean that it's kind of and that wasquiet for a long period of time, and now it just kind of picked up again. SoI don't know. Since I came here, I always thought there was going to be awar. I mean, that was with his father at that time before his father passedaway. But now, with Kim Jong un, you never know what's going to happen.You never know what? And and that's probably part of the reason why youknow, I'm a little bit okay. What are we going to do about our future? Whereare we going to be? What do we want to do? You want to live? Because when Ifirst arrived here and I was working in elementary schools, we would havesirens throughout the day that everything had to stop the lights stop.Cars stopped. I mean, the lights went red and all the cars stopped and we hadto stop teaching, and then the siren would go for a few minutes. But that isI don't know why, but that has stopped in the last few years. But it was justa weird sort of thing coming from Canada and being here where any momentthey could declare war because there's a nuclear war. It seems like it's akind of a powder keg over there. I know. Uh, I remember I saw somebody at ahotel and he was, like, sleeping. And in the middle of the night, his TVturns on and it's like sirens and stuff. I was like, Wow, the TV just turned on.He didn't even touch it, but it's very I'd imagine. It's very that's sort of,um I guess, like sort of anxiety to that. It was I didn't ever experience aTV turning on, but just the sirens. I mean, nowadays, with Corona, I getenough notifications on my phone. Do you guys get notifications on yourphone? I've got Okay, So in America, it's every it's every man for himself.Um, like, I think I've gotten one notification and I was in Colorado andI was like, There's somebody who has the virus. You've been exposed and allthat I'm like, Okay, whatever. But yeah, I've already had it like, um and Isurvived. My dad didn't but but I survived. But like, um, I know it likeyou have to like, they have banking, information and stuff like it's alltied to that. And it's crazy, like I'm like, I don't even want to know whatwould go on. If they tried this stuff in America, people would probablyrevolt. And I'm just realizing this, too, especially their starting Q Rcodes. Like not starting QR QR codes are huge. Like every story you go into,you have to submit your QR code. So not only do they everyone knows where youare, but what you're spending. I even saw in the urine all the other day or asign over the thing. It showed a really nice picture of a tree and a receiptkind of melted through it of sorts. So it's just kind of showing that receiptswaste, waste trees. Therefore, we're...

...using QR codes. So everything you buyat the grocery store, everything that you every time you go into a Starbucks,if you wherever you go, you have to use this. And it's like we did our taxesthis year and we did not have to do any paperwork. Wow. Yeah, that's and itdoesn't take long. I mean one thing. It's good. It doesn't take long, but tothey already know. Yeah, it's kind of scary. It's a little unnerving, youknow, like it even a Korean man who was much older than me and not even afriend. But just he noticed, Um, and he said, Yeah, that's why a lot of Koreanshigh gold cash in their apartment, because this is it's even, he said,totally ridiculous is what's going on. Yeah, yeah, that's like I would never Iwant that. And I'm sure it happens here in America, but they're sort of a lotmore secretive about it, but that's just blatant. Yeah. Yeah, like it feelssort of, uh, I guess, um dystopian A little better Black mirror. The youknow, like you're showing up with your QR code. It seems a little bit too muchlike black Mirror for me, So I could I couldn't. But I mean, I guess it's It'sKurt. It's I don't really know what it's done with the with the covidinfections. If it's if it's made it any better. But I don't I don't know. Itjust seems like it doesn't you know, But I don't. They found a new strand inIndia the other day. So, like, is it actually ever going to stop? I don'tthink so. I mean, it's gonna stop, but they're going to stop talking about it,I think. But Covid won't go away. I mean, at at some point people are justgoing to stop talking about it, and you know, the vaccines coming and there'llbe more mutations that won't protect the vaccines, and it'll just it'll getweaker and weaker, and people just stop talking about it and I'll move on tosort of the next attack, wherever it came from, which we know where it camefrom and why ever it happened. We don't know exactly, but but they have a good I do. I want to see a weapon. They havea good weapon if they ever want to do it again, because it kind of cripplesthe world. So I'm sure it's just it's a new way of doing things. Sounfortunately, yeah, and I'm hoping that, you know, people kind of like,well, kind of just It'll just be normal again. But I don't know what whatnormal is going to be. I mean, I really don't You know it we could We could goback to to, like, not wearing masks and full capacity stuff, because in Texasit's open 100%. You can do whatever you want. I saw your your Ted Cruz there.Yeah, he's really It's so funny. How like, yeah, it's Border told him. Yeah,it's so funny, Like, you know, Ted Cruz is not somebody I like at all. I thinkhe's sort of an idiot but most politicians are. It's not just Ted Cruz.I don't like AOC or any of those people, but it's so funny, like they'll tellyou. Okay, you've been vaccinated. You're good, You're immunized. Your butlike, they'll still be like. But you still got to wear the mask. You stillam. Like if you've got the vaccine, Isn't that the point? Like you're good,you're immunized and I don't have anything against masks if you haven'tbeen. I mean, I don't know if it works, but I'll follow the rules. But like ifyou've gotten the vaccine, why do you need to wear it like or if you'vealready had it and you have the antibodies? I mean, what good does itdo? I don't know. I was talking to a doctor here in Korea the other day andhe said in his hospital, and I think he doeswell, he's not just...

...pushing garbage around, althoughthere's nothing wrong with that. Is that 30% in his hospital took thevaccine. 70% rejected it. Wow, this is the hospital, and this is in Korea. Soyeah, and then I was like, Well, that's good to know that 70% rejected it orit's interesting, but well, the exact numbers. You didn't want me to quotehim, but he did say, and a lot of people are rejecting it. I won't. Idon't know if I mean, if I get if I get the vaccine, I get it. You know, itdoesn't really. I don't know what it will do. I don't know much about it. Um,if I have to do things that I want to do, I'll do it. But like, I don'treally know, I don't know enough about all that to really say what's what. Youknow, I don't know enough about asymptomatic spread or any of that. Ijust I try my best to to like I really don't know what what would happen. Ijust am clueless when it comes to all that. I have no idea. I'm I'm moreresistant until I have to. I'm like, Okay, it doesn't matter. Even masks.I'm like masks. I hate them. I really I But if I have bad breath or okay orsomeone else has bad breath or if I go on or something or whatever, they'renot the worst thing in the world to have to do. Yeah, it's very minor. Ialways thought it was kind of funny, like you have all these people run intoKroger's or any other grocery store, and they'll be like yelling at thesepoor employees like I'm always like. Come on, man, It's like you got to weara mask for 30 minutes. Is that the worst thing in your life? I get notliking them, but it's like you don't have to take it out on the store.Employees that are just trying to do their job. You know, I thought that waskind of lame. I think I'd rather wear like a motorbike helmet. Yeah, thatwould be, too. I'd rather walk around with one of them than a mask. I don'tknow. And I get why people don't like them, you know, like, but I just I justalways found it like, hilarious, that these people are like It's like they'recoming and taking their kids, you know, like like it's it's just a mask,honestly, and we'll be out of it soon. They've already like in Texas. If youdon't wear a mask places, nobody really does anything. They don't kick you outof the store. It's very rare. There was a lady, wasn't it? Just the other day?I mean, I've got Yeah, I got the bank broken. Yeah, I think so. And andthat's that's sort of an outlier from what I've seen. So any time I've goneto, um, sort of a an establishment. I've seen so many I've seen, like,always a few people not wearing them. And nobody really does anything theyjust kind of, but like you can't honestly like. You can't attack peoplefor that. I mean, they're not like they're not hurting anybody. And if youhave your mask on and they don't have their masks on, you should be goodregardless. But I I don't get it. I'm so I'm so over the whole thing. Youknow, like at this point, if you want to wear one, I I have more power to you.If you don't, I understand. I just try to I don't It's such a It's such aweird debate to be having, you know, at this time there's they. There's likeunemployment is like 7% and there's like seven and had 760,000 peoplewithout a job and like we're trying to figure out who should and shouldn'twear a mask, it seems sort of like a a deterrent of some sort. So I just hopethat we get to the point where things are more civil amongst people, you know,and, uh, I don't know, we might not.

But at the end of the day, all you cando is just try your best, right? Yeah. To treat people with respect. Traytries, tray. One last question. All right. Why do you work? Well, I work because it's a good way tooccupy my time. It's a good way to get ahead. And But at the end of the day, when you'reworking and you're doing something you love, it's hard to call it work. Um,but working is a great it gives you meaning, You know, it gives you a givesyou purpose, and, uh, it helps you better society and everybody. Everybodywho does a job regardless of what it is. Whether you're pushing, whether you'rea janitor at a hospital, like you said or you're the president of the UnitedStates, everybody who does their job is worthwhile. And as long as they keepdoing that, I think will continue to to find where we are now. And there willbe some sort of civility amongst people because everybody has a certain job andresponsibility and everybody should really be recognized for that, you know,because it takes it really. It's really good to to better society, by doingwhatever job it is you're doing, and that's why I work. I think just bettermake society better in any way. I think that's why I do it. Trade Campbellboard operator at ESPN 97.5 I appreciate the time that you have givenme. Yeah, this has been great. I appreciate the work that you do. Thankyou. And I appreciate the I'm sure in Korea they push it a little bit harderto learn English and another language. And I think that's pretty cool thatthey that they are, uh, they do that and that. People in over there teachingEnglish. I'm sure it's pretty rewarding to hear people speak. Uh huh. So yeah,that's really cool. If it wasn't rewarding, my dear wife would not behappy. Yeah, I would imagine, Um, because you know, like it's, um youcould go out and do a job and and not and it not be rewarding. But at the endof the day, you just be miserable. So that's that's good that you're you'redoing what you love up there or down there, wherever we are geographically.And that's thank you for doing what you do and teaching kids English. So that'sreally cool. Thank you, Trey. Maybe we'll see you soon. Moderatingsomewhere. Maybe. Maybe 2028. Maybe you'll see me. Um, you'll see me on thedebate stage is with whoever against, uh, maybe Tucker Carlson or whateverwill be up there with, um, Oprah or whatever politics looks like in 2028.So Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'mreally enjoying. Thank you for listening to this episode of why wework with Brian Wien. Be sure to subscribe, follow and share with othersso they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself aproductive yet joyful day in your work.

In-Stream Audio Search

NEW

Search across all episodes within this podcast

Episodes (123)