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#116​ Trent McClellen - This Hour Has 22 Minutes - Comedian - BrianVee WhyWeWork

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...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today of the great pleasure. Speaking with Trent McClellan, Trent is a stand up comedian, writer, podcaster, actor and cast member of this hour has 22 minutes today. I want to find out from him his process, the process that he goes through in being a stand up comedian. And being on this hour has 22 minutes. I want to find out which one is more difficult for him to join me today in my conversation with Trent McClellan. I'm Brian V. And this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure. Speaking with Trent McClellan. Good day. Fine, sir. Good day, sir. How are you? I'm doing wonderfully well. And as soon as I heard your voice ready to A moment ago, I thought of all the friends I went to. I met when I went to a Katie University and the bestest of friends came from Newfoundland. Really? That's cool. It's and it's not a lie. And it's not an exaggeration I've never met. And I'm from Nova Scotia. So it's not like, Hey, I heard about those new Finland guys over there. I'm from those good. We're not a far stretch from one another, but I've never met a new philander that I haven't like. I like that. I like hearing that. I think the thing about Newfoundland and I'm like, you know, there are people from all walks of life and people who, you know people cannot be nice in any province that you're in, I'm sure, but I think in general and Newfoundland people don't take themselves too seriously. You know, if there's not a lot of pretentiousness, just the culture doesn't allow it. You just you're like people would just cut you down to size quickly if you start to act or think that you're better than anybody else. So I think that keeps you humble, which when you come in with a certain amount of humility. I think it's easier to kinda to kind of connect with people because you're not. You're not separating yourself in any way. So it's absolutely true. And that's what you get to realize with just, I mean, in maritime ear's any country, wherever you're going to find people that if they're they're humble about their beginnings, the humble about where they are, then they're a little bit easier to get along with. I mean, we all have our difficulties, no matter who trend, will you do us a favor and give people an idea of what industry you're in and what you're what you're up to nowadays? Um, well, I am a comedian, actor and podcaster and writer. I guess, uh, I've been in this industry and entertainment for yes, 17 years now, which is insane to think about. And, uh, currently I'm at the end of comedian and also a cast member of this hours 22 Minutes with Minutes, which is a CBC show in Canada. Here. That's a political satire show. So it's jokes combined with sketch comedy as well. So I do that, plus some stand up and I also have my own podcast called the Generators Podcast. So I juggle those three balls in the air most of the year, or at least half the year, and then, uh, yeah, that's what I That's what I do. So I feel very lucky to be able to do what I love for a living and be creative for a living. I know not everyone gets to follow their dreams, so to speak. But I feel like I truly am doing what I was meant to do and what I'm supposed to do. So I I'm grateful for that every day that I get to get up and do that. I was listening to one of your most recent episodes in the one in March March 2nd, and I went somewhere recently and I saw I don't know if there's a 20 ft Christmas tree and this was just a couple of days ago and you were mentioned walking around the streets of Halifax, noticing, noticing some people with the Christmas decorations still up. And is there a debate to say some people have, They have the they have a point to keep it up. Is there any point to leave them up or okay, marches to It's a stretch. Two things I will say. Number one is. I have seen people just change the theme of the tree. So they go from its Christmas treats. And now it's the same Patty's Day tree like legit in Easter. Suddenly it's got Easter bonnets on it and ribbons and stuff, so they keep it up year round. I have friends who do that, you know. But the second thing is, and I I thought about this after I think with the last 12 months that we've had, maybe it's a little harder to take the tree down, you know, because that's, you know, some semblance of of joy and connectedness and a good season and a good feeling.

And taking that down makes the house feel empty and cold and all those things. And I think maybe after the 12 months we've had, it's just harder for people to to go and God, you know, it's too much reality outside my door. I don't want to. I don't want to step into reality. I'd just rather stay in this festive time. So this year, more than ever, I kind of understand it. To be honest, I understand people not wanting to take it down. And it was when I saw this one. It was actually in the hospital we went to the other day, my father in law and I was like, What's the Christmas tree is still doing up. Then I thought, actually, it's pretty beautiful. And some people might need coming into this place in particular. Yeah, it might be just a little pick me up. I'll tell you what I'm big into now, and I kind of see it as a year round thing is lights, you know, like I love putting Christmas lights up like indoors, like, kind of just like, you know, uh, just these little white lights I'm like, man, I think that should be a year round. I'm sure people do have it as a year round thing, and I'm like, Yeah, we'll start bringing that into my life and just, you know, making a cozy area and making my little studio kind of that way. So I think there may be some some some lines of lights coming in the near future me with just like beads of lights just here as I separate them as I'm like a seventies sitcom or something, you know, So it will be all right. The other day we went for a walk, and they have now this new thing where I am in Daegu, South Korea. I don't know. Maybe we're behind the times when you wait at a crosswalk, rather than waiting only for the little man to change color you have right down at your feet, a pretty thick line. Whether it's time to go, it's green. And when it's time to stop, it's red. It's just a big beam right across where your feet are. So people are looking down, not always looking up. That was a pretty good idea. More lights do us good. I think I think you're right, especially in this era of cell phones, with people not looking up and are looking down at their family entire time, it's like, Yeah, I need to remind you that there is a car coming, so let's put this stuff right off the sides of your phone as you looked out. So probably a safety feature that is well warned that I would imagine So will you do us a favor and bring us back what would have been your very first job. Maybe as a teenager, Preteen if it was selling lemonade or some legit job at 13 or 14. What was what was your very first gig? My first ever job was I was. I love soccer playing, playing soccer when I was a kid, and, uh, when I was about probably 12 years old, um, they needed coaches for kids that were like ages six and seven and younger, and so kids my age could apply to be those coaches. So I applied to remember running my resume out on a piece of, like, loose leaf paper, you know, And like, Okay, where do I What's our address? Okay, writing it down and handing in this piece of loose leaf paper and and getting the job, and it was a big deal. It was like the first time ever in my life that I had check with my name. You know that I earned this money. It wasn't just someone giving it to me was me earning it. And it meant a lot to me at the time. Whatever I was making, probably like, you know, 25 bucks or something, or whatever it would have been. Um, but it was It was a big deal at the time. And I remember, you know, showing up on time, you know, trying to come prepared. Um, so I learned all that kind of early, but I loved that job. I love soccer. So just being around the pitch for me, it was just so much fun. So that was the first one I ever had. And you were no sloe gin soccer. You played, what, Under 16 under 17, you were the captain of money as well. Yeah, Yeah, I loved it. I got so much out of it. I You know, I I think growing up soccer was a metaphor for, like, me taking control of certain things in my life. But my grandparents raised me, and so my childhood wasn't a traditional childhood, but I remember, like just pouring myself into soccer, like just going on a soccer pitch or this dirt road next to my house and hammering the soccer ball off the wall. And I was just like, If I can get this ball to do what I what I wanted to do, it's like That's me somehow controlling all these moving parts of my life, so I would just get lost in playing soccer for hours and hours and hours. And then I was lucky enough to make provincial teams and then playing university and be the captain of my university teams. So it was a great gateway for me. We didn't have a lot of money growing up, so my first time ever on a plane to go to the Atlantic championships was doing soccer. You know, I'm getting on a plane. And how was this simple worked and what? Oh my God, like all this access I was granted because I, you know, I was. I was piecing at soccer, so I owe a lot to that game. It was my first job, so that's four. Gave me a lot, for sure. As you been up through middle school and high school, did you continue working with soccer in particular, where there's some other jobs that year that are notable? No. I stayed with the soccer thing every summer. For the most part, I would coach at some capacity, and then I got to probably my first or second year, first year university maybe came home for the summer, and then I was the technical director of one of the minor soccer associations in my city. So I was a big job, kind of coordinating other coaches and programs and stuff so that that was a real big job for me at...

...the time. And I remember having a lot of responsibility with that and then also trying to juggle my own soccer playing and training. And so I had a lot going on that summer. I do recall, but it was it was great because the great thing about coaching to as a job is that you never stop evolving. You know, there's always new drills to learn. The game changes. You see how other coaches prepare their team or how they set up practice or how they manage a game. And so you can always take in data. And so, as a soccer junkie, I was just I was like a sponge, just taking in all this data all the time, so I always felt like there was more to learn. I never got stale, you know. There was always more more drills to learn, and and and, um, more ways to set up a team and more tactics to learn. So I was I was always enthralled with it from the get go. Being a graduate of Memorial University, what were you thinking in high school? Why did you want to go on to further education? What were you thinking about your career at that time? It's so funny because I don't know what it was like for you, but when I was in high school, it was pre Internet, man, your career options were pretty much what your guidance counselor could offer you, you know? And I didn't even go to my guidance counselor, so I didn't look pretty glitter. You have that? We had, like, a guidance counselor, and he was great, hilarious guy and fun. But it was like, you know, the options are you can work. In the middle of my hometown was a pulp and paper mill. A lot of folks were hoping to get on there because it paid really well And I was like, Well, that's not me. Another option was like, you know, you go to, like, technical college and learn a trade or something, and I was like, Well, I'm not very handy. And I don't really. And then it was like the military. Do you want to join the military of the guy I long just shot at? Um, so then it was like, Well, your marks are sufficient enough for you to go to university. What do you think I was like? Well, a bunch of my friends are going, So, uh, I'll try that. And that was pretty much the amount of thought I'd put into it. I know inkling of career or what I was gonna be. I was like, I already felt like great 12 just kind of dropped me off, you know, like I was in this bubble of living. Oh, man, Every day is great basketball, soccer, hanging with my friends. And suddenly it was like, Where is everybody? Is everybody going? It's like you're the last guy at the party. You know, you feel there's a push behind who's pushing me out of my house. What's going on? I mean, where's everybody going? I thought we were part of what's called your that guy. So I was that guy. I kind of lost following the crowd a little bit, and, uh, luckily, there was still soccer to play, so that kind of kept me connected and self engaged to a certain degree. But that was my That was my road to universe. What did you take in months? I did a double major. Yeah, I did a double major in history in English because I really did enjoy English in, um, in high school. I liked I've enjoyed reading and I like, you know, writing papers about that stuff and finding a team and a thesis and stuff. And then in history in the university, I started take a bunch of history courses and I found that really, really interesting as well, so that I was like, Okay, well, these are the things that also they were they tended to be my best marks. I was like, I think this is what I'm supposed to do. No idea of what I'm supposed to do with that degree or what you do with This is a major. People like you're going to be a teacher of my I don't I don't know. Maybe I coach kids my whole life and, uh, you know, and, um but that was it. That was kind of the That was kind of the road there. As you started to near graduation, though, did things start to crystallize or were you still wandering about? And don't get me wrong. I'm still wandering about in my forties and I did that whole path and, like, I don't know, I still don't know what I want to do. Yeah, No, I was the same way, man. I was like, How do I What am I supposed to do? And I know if you felt this pressure, but a lot of my friends knew what they wanted to do, So they were like, I'm going to be an engineer that went into the engineering program, Got a job placement straight out. I was like, Wow, I'm not that guy. So what am I supposed to do? So I felt really lost for while And when I graduated from university also keep in mind as well as new flat at the time. Very, very high unemployment, like it was just like people had master's degrees and they were applying for jobs at the mall, like for customer service jobs at the gap, because it was just so bad. And so I ended up um I got a job as a waiter for a year, was just serving tables, and I hated that. I was just like, I can't I don't see the joy and this at all. If you do a good job, that's what they expect. If the food is cold or the orders messed up, then you're the face of the restaurant, and they want to take it out on a good point. If you do a good job, that's what they expect. So don't expect way to go. You brought the food we ordered. Well done. You're like, Okay, but if I don't bring it, you're angry, right? Um and then I got a job, uh, working at the Boys and Girls Club as a kind of a recreation director and boys and girls club. So with my coaching background, they were looking for someone to work with youth there. And I did that, and I was in that field for almost a decade. I worked the Boys and Girls Club for a couple of years that I worked at a...

...community center in Newfoundland for a few years. And then I moved to Calgary and I worked at boys and girls come in Calgary as well out of Newfoundland. So I was in that field for quite a while and I really, really enjoyed it. But I still deep down knew I don't know if that's what I'm ultimately supposed to be doing with my life, but I did enjoy it and enjoy the kids that I worked with. And I enjoyed this crew that I worked with. But, um, yeah, I just drifted into that field. So, knowing your roles now, how did you step into comedy? Was that even a part of growing up as well? Or was it just off the whim? Yeah, comedy for me, I think, was a defense mechanism. In all honesty, it was like, You know, you're a black kid growing up in an all white town, for most intents, purposes, it was like I didn't see anyone who looked like me. My grandparents were white, they raised me, so I had. I always felt different on the outside, So a way for me to take control of situations where I might be the focus of attention. The negative way was to be funny, you know, it's just like you change the power dynamic in that moment. So I always had a pretty keen sense of humor, and I had a lot of friends are like, Oh, you should do comedy. You should do stand up. But in Newfoundland at that time in the eighties and nineties, there was no comedy scene. There were no comedy clubs. It was just something on my television, you know, like I didn't have access to talk to comedians. Um, and I got to go to one or two shows that came through the city, but I never, ever got to speak to a real comedian or learn about how to do it. But when I finally graduated from university and I had those jobs working with kids, I decided to move to Calgary because the economy had dried up really badly in Newfoundland. And when I chose Calgary, I knew they had comedy clubs there, and I said if I moved there, I'm going to go to an amateur night and just try it when I go on stage and just see if I can make strange writing. Did you write at all before this? Before this? Yeah. So when you when you went to a yuck yucks. I think it was in Calgary at the time was a yuck yucks. They had what they called amateur night, where you could go for an hour ahead of time and they had a headline and comedian who would talk to you about the business. So there'll be a group of people, all newbies, and they would tell you about you know, how to write a joke joke structure, how the business works. Some of them are really good at doing that. Others were kind of just grizzled guys, you're like most of you won't be here in a month. You know, you don't have what it takes, you don't you know, you're like so there's a bit of that. And I was just the same thing like as I was with soccer. I was just a sponge. I just took it all in. I could not get enough of it. I was reading books about stand up, but I was totally enthralled. And then I went on stage for the first time, and I swear to you, everything in that moment made sense. After I As soon as I got on stage, I was like this is what I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life. Everything else now makes sense. Why other things didn't work out. Why I was wasn't completely fulfilled in other things, because I hadn't found this thing. And now I know why. And I knew how many minutes did you do your first time? I think they let you let you do 5 to 7 minutes and I tell people, man that walk when you're in the wings at a comedy club in the dark and they're about to announce you and the host goes all right, this next guy the first time ever on stage. I mean, your knees, my knees were literally quivering, like for real quivering. And I remember thinking, can I make it to the microphone like, will I be able to physically move my legs left, right, left, right, and get to this Mike. And, uh, I was fortunate enough to get to the mic. Gotta laugh early. And then my confidence kind of grew a little bit. And I was like, Oh, wow. Okay, whatever. But the next one and I got a laugh and I was off to the races. I was just I was hooked. It was like it was like something. You're like a drug you can't get enough of or something. And I was just so addictive to get that kind of adulation and to connect with strangers like that from out of the gates and off to the races. How long was it before you got your first prize? Yeah, of some surprise of some sort of maybe a dollar or something. Like what? I'm getting something in return for this race. Yeah. So what I continue to do was I would work at Boys and Girls Club Monday to Friday, and then on the weekends, the Booker in Calgary would send me off on the road to go open for bigger acts. After probably after a few months, this started to happen. So I'd go to, like, small town Alberta or somewhere in Saskatchewan at a legion or a community center. And I'm like, I'm doing 20 minutes and it would cost me more in gas money to get there than when I was getting paid. But I was like, I'm making money doing stand up, you know, and, uh, I come back on Sunday, I go back to my job again Monday at, uh, at the Boys and Girls Club. And I remember the story. I was playing some small town and I was opening for somebody else in Alberta Saturday night. And once we got off stage because there's...

...such a small town, like as a comedian coming through it was a big deal for a lot of the folks that were in town, right? They didn't know who you were, but they just knew you were one of the comedians. And you were funny and like, Oh, my God. So get off stage myself and two other comedians And so people come up and they want autographs, right? I don't even know our names, Really? But they're just like, Hey, man, would you sign my So I'm my thing and sign this sort of. So we're signing stuff and I'm like, My God, Wow, this is amazing. We're just on a cloud. We're driving back to Calgary kids on Monday. Yeah, so Monday, Monday, I get into work and I'm feeling like I'm on a high. I'm like, man, maybe, you know, it's time for me to start thinking about, you know, moving on and doing standup full time. And I get into work and one of my staff goes Trent, the boys toilets clause you They just had me a plunger. I was like I was signing autographs on the weekend. How? An autograph. I don't think that having a plunger I met I've been walking into the boy's room like just like that was That was the first crack in the foundation of like All right, it's time to start considering. Uh, yeah, but no matter how famous you get, I even heard one of your skits talking about, you know, whether it's the clog and the tub or that it doesn't matter and the toilet or not, What? One day? It doesn't matter how big you are because of female. You're going to have to unclog it, unclogged something. Well, that's life, isn't It was a metaphor for life, always unclogging something. So but that Yeah, I did it for about three years. I did that kind of cycle of work during the week gig on the weekend work during the weekend that for three years and then eventually, as their cabinet leap in to stand up full time after three years and so forth. It seems like a bit of a cliche what I'm going to ask, but I think you'll know what I mean. But I think as a comedian you have all this work that you're putting into it that people don't see. But where was your big break? When did you break through? And and it's not like it was done to it and it might have been. But all that work behind what people don't see like. But when did you break for you know, what was your big break? I think a big break for me and I don't know where this came from. It was more of a mindset. I would say in the mindset was This is a job. This is not a party. This is not a great way to meet girls. This is not This is a job. And like all jobs, you have to work, put an effort and be professional. And I quickly learned the talent wasn't enough. Like there's lots of folks who are funny and, you know, very, very talented, but didn't mean they went on to have long, successful, healthy careers because they had other things whether it was drinking or gambling or drugs or whatever it was, they just didn't couldn't stay focused enough to just keep doing this thing and keep creating. And I learned that early somehow. I mean, I did my share party into, I'm sure when I first started, and I was enjoying myself, too. But I feel like I realized quickly, like if you want to have success in this business, you're going to have to put in an effort and really, really dig in, and I learned that early. The other thing I would say that really helped me was I was able to work fairly clean. Material was so that allowed me to do corporate comedy, which was where companies would hire you for their holiday party or whatever, and that put a lot of money in my pocket. So I treated that almost like my new day job. I'll do corporate comedy where I kind of have to played by a stricter set of rules and be squeaky clean, but at least I'm still doing stand up. At least it's forcing me to kind of write in a certain way, and then on the weekends when I'm doing other club gigs. I can say whatever I want, and I'm not censored. But those two things really, really help me because they allowed me to put enough money in my pocket to kind of keep funding the dream and funding the dream. So I think those two things were really, really, really, really huge for me to be able to keep my legs moving. It's I watched a Maybe you've seen it, too. But the Netflix of Jerry Seinfeld and one of his older times is showing. When he first started and Orange Adams was in it as well. And what that movie changed my life. What I didn't realize, like, I mean, he spread out all of his work from a certain amount of time on one of the roads or something. All the pieces of paper and even or any Adams had a filing cabinet full of stuff, just material that has been working on. How is that for you and that writing process and, you know, keep crafting your skills? Yeah, well, that movie I watched that documentary about, you know, Seinfeld and ornate and people writing their material. I watched that movie before I ever went on stage. So that gave me permission to try it. Because I was like, before that I thought anything professional comedian say on stage is like, Oh, they just have these brilliant thoughts and they walk up on stage and say them where it comes out the top of their head. I didn't realize it took that much work and effort to craft and act, so I went well. I have ideas. So what do you guys do? Just go up and see if it works. And maybe sometimes it doesn't like I can do that from starting now. I just have ideas. So that showed me the behind the curtain of what it took to be a stand up in the...

...process. So that was so crucial for me. And then I was like, Okay, well, I need to write every day. Then I need to, like, put work into this every single day, spend time. Either I would go to a Starbucks or coffee shop and I would sit there and just try and write a few jokes every single day or go back and look at jokes that I was already doing and see if I could improve them or add to them. And, you know, I drive by Starbucks in Calgary. Now I can still go. Like I wrote my full my first act and that Starbucks, like over the course of a bunch of months, I would have read my full act in there. You know, observing people overhearing conversations, you get inspired to write something, and and that's where the work ethic comes in. And it's funny you brought that up because in that movie, Jerry Seinfeld actually says it's about sitting your ass down in the chair and doing the work for a lot of comedians or getting getting on stage. And he said he remembers looking out the window and a bunch of construction workers dropping on the road, and they don't want to go back to work after lunch. Uh, and he goes, I don't care if you're in the mood to write jokes, sit down and write him and he goes, You know that. I think that work ethic was instilled in me just in watching that movie and then seeing other successful comedians and how they plied their trade and to work like you said, they put in offstage in the dark like an athlete, right, like Sidney Crosby won Stanley Cups and gold medals. But what you don't see is training the dry land training and summer with a parachute tied to his back running up a sand dune. You just see him lifting the cop like and the greatest. It's like, Yeah, but hours and hours and hours of work and effort in the dark that nobody sees. So I think anyone to be successful at a high level. I think it takes a lot of that that that what he said and what you're reiterating is very important for anyone in any industry, because I was thinking of it yesterday. I was feeling a little glum and I went for a walk and I saw I just looked at people like that person does not necessarily want to be doing their job right now, but they're doing it right there. You know they have to put their feet on on the floor and get up and get going, and a lot of people feel that way. But as I think it's an encouragement to see other people putting in the grind, putting in the time putting in the effort, refining going back and even if you don't want to getting up, whatever putting a parachute on your back. All of those things are ways to encourage one another and show that this work that we're doing is paying off. Whatever your goals and dreams, maybe they're valid in each individual's life. Well, there's no doubt about it. Yeah, it's very well put. And a motto that I've kind of adopted to is that you will be measured at some point. You know, like I get athletes don't want to train every day, and I get Comedians don't want to put working every day, but at some point you will be measured. You will be at a show. There will be high stakes. It will be for a showcase or an audition, or you've got a big audience or you've got a tour you sold tickets to, and now there's 1000 people out there waiting to see you like you're about to be measured. And in that moment you'll have to ask yourself, Have I done the preparation and the work or have I not? And there's nowhere to hide in that moment. That's the thing about stand up. It's such a solitary endeavor. There is no one to lean off in that moment. You either have got the material or you do not and nobody cares. They paid their money and they're like go. And so I always think about that, like the next tour, the next big show I have like, Will I be ready for it? And it might not be for months, but it's like, Well, you can you prepare now and there's always something you can do to get better, you know? So that's kind of the way I approach it is to that When when I when it's time to get measured, will I be ready? And hopefully I can answer yes, Well, how you mentioned that the waiter waitress bringing the food? Did you do your job? Good. You're supposed to, And the grind or the difficulty in being comedian, I think, is up there with any of the top lip. I mean, any job has difficulty, and it brings stress and difficulties to each people based on what they can handle. But being a competing, I think, is at least somewhere pushing the top because you have to be funny. Yeah, it's not enough just to public speak. Yeah, it's not just enough to public speak, you know, it's like Okay, well, a lot of folks, folks and public speaker, it's like I need to actually get a physical reaction. A lot of these people, like I'm not there, just hoping that they listen. I'm like, No, I need you to laugh at the end of what I'm saying. And again, it's a different. It's a different thing. I know it sounds silly. Once stated the truth. It's funny, right? I'm going to say some things to you today, and at the end of it, I need to laugh. That's the whole goal. And it's funny because my days playing soccer and stuff helped me a lot because there's a lot of parallels I've found, like even in my own podcast. Talking to athletes and and uh, and other comedians is that when you're an athlete, game time is eight o'clock or whatever time it is. The opposition doesn't care if you slept well. They don't care if you have food poisoning, they don't care if you don't feel great, they don't care if you had a bad travel day. They're like they're going to beat the crap pretty when you show up and the same thing with an audience, it's like if I haven't had a good day, I haven't slept well. Hotel. I couldn't...

...sleep by food. Nobody cares. Eight o'clock. It's like I paid my money. Make me laugh. So that's the mentality. Uh, yeah, exactly. It's like there. You have to show up and be professional and do the job. I mean, there's been times I've got on stage or I did not feel good. I was tired. I, you know, whatever a million different things that happen to someone in a lifetime. But you have to be able to flip that switch at Showtime and deliver. And, um, you know, it's like we talked about earlier, easy to do things. When you're in the mood to do it, Can you do when you're not in the mood to do it? You know, um, I think that's what separates in the comedy world anyway. Often, people say, that's what separates the amateurs from the pros. The pros will like. That's what it should do it and deliver when they need to, and amateurs are like when I'm in the mood when I'm feeling it, and when the crowds kind of into me and then it's like, Yeah, you're going downhill It's easy when you got to go uphill Not so easy. So, um, you learn that from doing lots of different gigs with lots of different audiences at various different times a day. And, uh, you know, crowds that have not drank any alcohol crowds and drank too much alcohol, and you learn to just be able to deliver and figure out a way to connect with that audience. You know, not to say you don't have shows that don't work because of every comedian will have those two. But you just you learn over time, more tools and your belt to use, you know, with different scenarios. But it's not always about motivation is like, Can you just have the discipline to be able to deliver in this moment? So I learned a lot of that from sports. I think Trent, what was the transition like for you from being a stand up comedian into this hour? Has 22 minutes, And how much different is that from just being on stage all on your own, with just your being responsible for yourself, right? Yeah. No, it's It's a big change. It's it's kind of 1 80 because we're part of a part of a team. You know, when you're with 22 there's, you know, your fellow castmates. There's a bunch of writers you have directors, executive producers, people who do set design, you know, wardrobe makeup like it's a full, a full team. And that kind of a collective wisdom to kind of see this vision come to life. Stand up is very, you know, autocratic. It's like I get to say it the way I want to say it every single time I get to pick the topics. And on 22 I guess we do. I do get to have input and get to write things and stuff. But everyone there's so many more hands on it, right? And so it's gonna be okay with the network in terms of like, you know what language we can use and those are the things. So you're always kind of in a bit of a framework that you didn't necessarily create, whereas with stand up, it's complete freedom to say and do whatever you want long. But it's funny, you know, as long as you deem it to be funny. And if you get an audience to laugh, it's all okay. So, um, it's a bit of an adjustment there mentally, for sure, because you're different. Different approach. Also, the great thing about stand up is that you can write something this happen to me. Just the other day, my girlfriend and I were joking around about a topic and I said, I'm going to go to the club tonight. I'm going to try that. And she's like, Okay, so I go to the club, she comes with me and I try it and it works. So right away, I had an idea. At five o'clock three hours later, I'm on stage saying that thing, and a bunch of strangers I've never met are now laughing at it like so the feedback is immediate. I know immediately what's working with TV. You make something last week it's not going to air. So the following week, in between those two things, we've already made 100 things. We already moved on to make more sketches and write more jokes and whatever. So you don't get to see the reaction of it per se, because people are home in their living room and watching it, you know, or you'll see online, maybe like if something is doing well or it's going viral or whatever. But stand up to me is cool because it's just that immediate. I have a thought, this idea taking the stage and see if it works and the audience will tell you right then and there in the moment. So So they're very, very different. The shore between stand up and and, uh, catch like that between the two. Which one brings you the most difficulty and what are those difficulties and which brings you the most satisfaction? And what is that? Satisfaction? Yeah, I think both come with their challenges. Stand up again because it's I've said this to musicians that I've had on my podcast, you know, like people who have been in bands. Part of me wishes I had kind of been a group like that. You know, whether it's a comedy group for music group or whatever, because you have that camaraderie of traveling around. You're not alone. Stand up. Comedians often are just traveling alone and hotels alone eating alone. You do the show alone, you're alone again. It's a lot of isolation, you know. Um so that's a downside of stand up being alone. But you have to be funny to a bunch of people. Yeah, it's a great quote, actually, from Steve Martin's book Born Standing Up. I don't know if you've read it or not, but he has a great quote about playing a football stadium, you know? And it was probably, I think, you know, 80,000 people. It's him just on a massive stage, wearing this white suit, and he's destroying and killing. The crowd is going crazy. The show ends. He gets in a limo. He goes to a hotel, sits at his hotel room by himself, and...

...he's just eating shrimp cocktail by himself. And like the duality of those two things are like just. It was in the biggest crowd, where I was the focal point of all this energy and love, and now I'm sitting by myself with a remote control watching the evening news, and it's just me, you know, like there's those two things that are hard to balance sometimes for comedians. I think some comedians struggle trying to get away to deal with that, but also creatively. Then you have 100% control creatively. You can do things the way you want to do it, and so there's no compromise. So the great thing about 22 is you love being part of a team. People bringing new ideas. Playing with other actors is fantastic because you're going to get to see where something's going to go and let it come to life in the moment while you're doing a sketch together. Um, but also, sometimes when you have an idea and it doesn't make the show for whatever reason, sometimes that could be frustration because you've worked hard on it and you think it would work. But someone else will use it like we just can't do it. We can't shoot it or we just don't think it would work. So you're always compromising in that regard. So that would be the challenge, I think, with the T V side. I was talking to Tommy Cheung and he mentioned Steve Martin had quit stand up comedy because he could not handle making his set, delivering the set, performing going on stage and then having to write a new set again. So those peaks and valleys of getting back down in those trenches in those five minutes again you know, this joke here and trying How is that for you? Because what? People may not understand that I obviously don't understand it fully. But you get your set, you got, you know, a good 2040 50 minutes. However much you have. And then when you're done playing that out to all the places you go to, you got to start over again. Yeah, you gotta you gotta build rebuild it again. And and that's hard for some comedians to do it. It's not easy, because you you get a certain slow of this material. You feel like you can keep adding on to that material. But the new standard now is like, yeah, have that for a year or two and then get rid of it and put a brand new our material out. And that's really hard to find an industry. Now people are talking about Eddie Murphy coming back, you know, stand up. And he seems hesitant, right? He was on. He was on Jerry Spy us Seinfeld. And on that show coffee with comedy comedians encourages encouraged coffee. He just He just seemed like he was very hesitant to that whole idea. Yeah, because he knows that because he's a comedian, he could have done it before, before you saw Delirious or raw. What you don't see is the years of going to comedy clubs and working this material out. So he knows that if he has got to come back and a has to try and meet the standard that people have already set for him in their minds as to what he was and that legend and how good he was before he got to try and meet that bar. And in order to get to that bird, you gotta get clubs. You gotta get stage time. You're gonna be on that stage pretty much every night, doing multiple sets. Trying to work your material like that is work that is a grind. And that's the danger of television Sometimes or movies you get. It's such a it's an easier lifestyle. So it's easy to sit back and watch TV and have a good time, and then you want to set the next day. Do you want to do all that? But now, when you come home, you got to go do a set at the Comedy Cellar in New York and then go to another place. After that, get home at two o'clock in the morning, go to sleep, wake up. You're on set now, doing your film again like it's a grind. Its work to get that polished diamonds ready for public consumption for a Netflix special or whatever, because you know what's going to go out in the world and it will live in infamy forever. So that's a lot of pressure on someone when even when you're ready, Murphy, because the standard is so high and you set that standard for yourself with your past work. So, um, I understand why you'd be hesitant, because and you have that pressure trades work to do. You have that pressure as well. And I heard you mentioned that you went to Comedy Cove not long ago. And how was that for you to get back at your credit? Eggs, you know? Yeah, it was good, but it feels like, you know, you're riding a blank again. For the first time, you know, it's just that muscle will atrophy if you don't use it. It's like you need to be on stage all the time. So now, as our 22 minutes season is winding down, I'll be doing more stand up and getting up more and working on more new materials. So you eventually just have to get back up and do it. There is no shortcut. That's the thing about it. Like, um, I mean, I think Eddie Murphy the genius for one so it may be easier for him than anybody else, but end of the day, you still want to be sharp. You still want to deliver when people are paying real good money to come see you. And your name is on a poster and they bought tickets months ago like you really, really want to deliver? Um, and so that takes repetition that takes work and writing out stage. So, um yeah, but I enjoy that process. I was lucky that way to stand up, and I love the adrenaline of performing, but I also loved sitting down with a pen and paper and trying to figure out why a joke doesn't work and trying to fix it and...

...then tweaking it and taking it back on stage like I love that part to the I love the solitary nous of that. So I'm lucky in that way. Is there a specific skill thinking back when you were in Calgary and you went up on stage for the first time? And even now, after being on stage many times in front of the camera, is there something in particular that helps a comedian be at his or her best? For your particular? That's a great question. I think. I think a lack of self consciousness is a great thing to have. I think self consciousness really put the handcuffs on everybody, whether your public speaking, whether you're leader of a company, Um, can you just be in the moment and deliver this thing and not have the radio going in your head about all these other thoughts that could be negative and draining you? Can you just be in the moment and focused? And the more you can dial in like that, they think the better you are in the better performance you'll have. But it's when we start worrying about Will this work? Will it not work. What do they think? You know, you that well trained confidence and it takes away from performance, I think, at the end of day. So the great thing about doing stand up for a bunch of years is that self consciousness tends to go away more and more and more and more. I think you'll always have a level of it, but it's really quiets down as you've been doing it for a long time. You just kind of go. Nothing is fatal. If this joke works, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter. I get up again tomorrow. You know what I mean? Like I wake up tomorrow in my own bed. Who cares like it's You don't have as much pressure on yourself to to make sure everything's perfect from the get go, You're like, No, I'm willing to try something different. Experiments. Put new ideas out there, see what I can find, you know, So that lack of self consciousness, I think it is vital for a comedian. Do you ever bring notes with you or some sort of cues to help you stay on track? Yeah, Sometimes when I'm trying to brand new material, I'll just take, like, a little note pad up there with me or a little notebook and I'll have just a set list written down a few bullet points, and I think I'm going to forget it. The great thing to for me anyways, it becomes memory very quickly for me. So if I can do it once like that, or twice like that, then it will quickly be like, Okay, well, now it's in there and I know it, and I can start adding onto it and putting layers on top of it and new angles and add new lines to it. But sometimes the first time you just because you're performing in front of a live audience. Sometimes stuff can just leave your mind in the moment. You can look down quickly and go, okay, Have a reference point, you know. But once I'm in the groove and I know my hour or whatever, I I don't need any notes at all. I just just locked in there and I can go. So trend, knowing how you said that when you went to school, your university weren't sure what you were going to take. You did some other helping out working in other places, but not until you stood up on that stage. You kind of found that was what you wanted to do for your life. Knowing that people arrive at those points at various stages in their life. Do you have any advice for people who are starting their first job? Maybe like you, you know, you were a soccer coach at the age of 12 or changing their career after they're finding something different. Works for them. Do you have advice for people like that? Yeah, it's funny. I talked to, um, a bunch of student athletes at my former University of Memorial University. I spoke to them two weeks ago on Zoom. One of the things I said to them was, You do not need to put pressure on yourself that this thing that you choose is now locked and loaded, and that's what you got to do for the rest of your life. Like people change careers, you know, 6789 times. But that's just the nature of the world we're in right now. But we put so much pressure on kids in particular to know what they want to do at 17 18 years of age. Like to me, that's ridiculous. You know, you're not. You haven't even experienced the world yet. How are you going to know what you want to do with your life? Like so? I don't think it's realistic for people to feel like they got to pick a lane and stay in that lane. And so I think case as many things. You can try things and realize you can always turn the car around. You're not happy doing this thing. You can leave it and you can go do something else. But I think we start muddying the waters when we start listening to parents in their opinion. And you go, Well, I spent all this money on my degree. So now I have to stay in this field because I spent all that money in education. Why? And so you can be unhappy and just go well, I am going to fulfill this. It's like, do the thing you love, and I think ultimately, and I don't know what your thoughts are on it, but I feel like people deep down, if they're quiet, all the noise, they know what they want to do But it's when we let all the other noise in from the outside we start convincing ourselves and no well, no, I can't do that thing or someone else thinks that's not a good idea, You know, like no one else's business, What you want to do with your life career. If you quiet the noise and listen to yourself, you know what that is. It may take a long time. I don't know what status you'll get to a level you get to, but if you follow that, I feel like the rest of it will come. You work way harder because you love it. You will put the effort in because you want to be doing that thing. And I think more...

...people need to listen to that and stop listening to all the outside noise and industry trends. And here's who's hiring. It's like I get. People have to pay the bills, and I I respect anyone who works for a living. I respect anyone who's willing to do any job and does it to the best of their ability. But do the thing you want to do, do the thing you want to do and don't listen to any outside noise. Yeah, that's what I find about doing this podcast of why we work and just finding people from all sorts of walks doing these and many other things that they do and how they came about doing it. And a lot of the people seem to It was just something that they kind of knew. It was part of them their whole life, and it just took them a while to get there. And it's just I think what you're saying is that noise kind of gets in the way and other pressures. You know, you get married or you have kids or, you know, this Johnny went to this school and you have to go to this or, you know, all of those things kind of mud. As you said, muddy up the waters of allowing us to think clearly. Yeah, I think you know fear is a chameleon, right? Fear will mask itself in different ways. We make up stories as to why we can't follow this certain career path. You know, we think our parents are going to get mad. We think our partner won't understand. We are fearful that we don't know how to transition to this next thing. And at the end of the day, the only way you'll ever know is if you try that thing and put your toe in the water, at least check the temperature of the water over there. I wouldn't know if I could be a stand up or not. If I didn't find the legs encouraged to go up on stage the first time the rest of the time, it would just be wondering if I could ever do it. And what if they don't laugh and thinking about worst case scenarios? And so I feel like people need to start another way. I've heard of terms, you know, People say, Follow your passion, follow your passion. And another way I've heard it phrased is think about it less as a passion. Think about it more as a curiosity. Follow your curiosity and that sometimes it's just a whisper. It's just a small thing. It's the thing you love doing when you're not getting paid. When you you just had free time. This is the thing you would do. What is that thing, and can you find a way to make a living doing that thing. And I think if more folks look to follow their curiosity, I think there'd be a lot happier like that. The curiosity, Because when someone says, Follow your passion might I don't know if what I'm doing is my passion, but I'd like to find out more about it and and see where that takes me. Is it a full blown passion? I'm not sure, if you think also, if it is my full blown passion, why aren't I doing better with? I am a skilled with this. What may be my passion is not going to pay me in. But I heard Bill Burr, the great comedian American comedian. He said he was giving advice to someone who wanted to try stand up, and they're like they had a great six figure job and but they really, really wanted to try stand up. And that was his advice to them was, you know, just just go to an open like just try it. Just go try it for a little bit on the side. Don't quit your day job by any means, but just go try some open mics and see how you feel and you'll know within that period of time after a period of months, like, Is this something you want to put more energy into? Is it what you thought it was going to be like? You get all this data back from the experience, You know what I mean? And then you can make a decision. Um, but it goes, You've got to have that thing that drive that. Yeah. Like at all costs. I will find a way to get this done because you have that curiosity just pulling you along. But if you don't have that, then that's probably not going to be your thing, you know? So I think you're right. I like that phrase. The terminology of curiosity. I think it it's passion to me. Seems too large and brand. And we try And, you know, I'm changing the world with my passion, and I think a lot of people like what are you talking about? Like I live in a small town, Uh, from the Passion fruit. Yeah, we don't even we don't have a bus system here. What are you talking about? So it's like, uh but I think when you say curiosity, I think everyone can identify with the curiosity that they have that they could say. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I've always wanted to learn guitar, So, yeah, I think I'm gonna buy a guitar and maybe learn how to play like it's just a small little gradual increments, You know that Pull you along. Is there a trend? I think Bill Burr is one of your favorite comedians. And you mentioned your grandparents. Do you have a moral beacon that's kind of guiding you along or something that you're trying to attain to A You know, a thing in the back of your mind that kind of pushes you and encourages you. I really, um, been thinking about this the last the last couple of years. Actually started doing meditation the last probably six years. I guess, uh, I try to incorporate into every day, some days I don't get to do it, but I try and do it a bunch of times a week, at least. Sort of. Excuse me. I like doing that. And I like just quieting my mind a little bit. And part of that routine as well includes a gratitude practice. I'm just writing down three things every day that I'm grateful for an interaction, a cup of coffee, whatever it may be that I can just meditate on and think about how great that was. And I end each meditation normally with I want to be kind and I want to be creative. I want to be kind and I want...

...to be creative like that is the intent of every single day. Be kind, be creative. And if I do those things at the end of the day, I feel happy and I feel authentic. So that's kind of become my little moral compass is be kind to be creative. That's excellent. Do you have a view opinion on education in general, but also knowing your soccer player exercise so education and more so for the listeners, but wondering what you do and how you keep fit, and with your mind and your body, what are your views on those two, Um, with regards to exercise and try and work out a couple times a week for sure. So it's, you know, weight training, um, treadmill stuff, um, you know, spin, spin, bikes and stuff. I try to do that three or four times a week, and, uh, I love that because it just real big believer that you can change your state of mind by changing your body, and you can change your body by changing your state of mind. You know that adage, and I feel like you can. So when you're in a bit of a rut, mentally exercise for me will really jog things up for me and allow them to be creative again or giving a new perspective a lot of problem or an obstacle. So I really, really I'm big on that, and I know it's also my story. Would you also say, because I missed exercise last couple days and I just felt gloomy, right? And I think people don't realize, you know, it's easy to be lazy. It's not even easy to be lazy. You kind of have to work at being lazy as well. But once you get in that group of a few days of not a week, a month and you're not doing it like that's a big part of how you're feeling, because once you get out and do one little bit of exercise like Oh, I know what I'm doing and you feel totally different. Yeah, I agree. And I totally agree. And it gets back to what we said earlier, like about, You know, writing jokes are doing the job even when you don't want to do it. The trick of that is just sit down and start. Give yourself five minutes. You know, like, if you're gonna do a Taft, you don't want to do it. Just say, look, I'm gonna I'm gonna put five minutes into this, and I guarantee you, once you start, you'll put it more than five minutes. You just started doing it. But it's just the transition from doing nothing to do something that we see as Mount Everest quite often. And the gym is the same thing. It's like just get dressed. Put your clothes on and start moving your ass to the gym. And when people do that, you get there. Now you're there, you're going to put the work in. Now that you're there, it's just that transition of getting from a to B. So it's not about We always wait for motivation and being in the mood. And it's like it's just not people can't live that way because you're not always going to be in the mood. But you just got to get into that discipline. Very mindset of like, yeah, I'm going to look at the clock and go at six o'clock. I'm going out that door at six o'clock. Doesn't matter from in the mood, I don't care. But feeling it, I never regret it. I go never come back. And I'm always glad I went hated beforehand. But never regret it afterwards, ever. You never do it. So you realize that. I know I can tell myself that to that. I know I'll feel better when I come back. Like I automatically know that. So that also helps me move that door. Um, education. And I feel is like, I really think people I I think reading in general to just the general educational thing is just fantastic. I think putting reading in every single day is great and and reading as much as you can is a great thing. Excuse me. I think we're on our phones way too much these days, and, you know, social media and likes and whatever we should be like learning more and and and reading more and seeing combinations of words together and making our minds think differently. I love reading books about creativity and understanding, people's process of making anything, whether it's music or movies or stand up comedy. I just love the most Honda scenes, uh, inner workings of process for people and what makes them how they go about their work. I love that, Um, and for me, university was vital because I it taught me how to critically think it taught me how to not just take things at face value but question them and dig inside and unlock them and go, Why is that? Well, how come that thing happens? Well, maybe it's connected to this. And I really feel like that helped me so much in my comedy career because that's what comedians do. We ask why we ask, How come that is that way? It's perspective. Making an argument. Um, I learned all that in university. So what is your overarching goal? Maybe with your stand up comedy routine, maybe into acting, maybe with your podcast? What is your overarching goal for you? I think I want to just continue to be creative and see where that curiosity and takes me to be honest, I feel like, um I want the podcast to continue to grow and more people to hear it and to continue to have great conversations. Um, for me, that go with the podcast is just I realized in my profession, I was getting to have fantastic conversations with people from all different professions. This is the generators. Correct. The generator generator podcast. Yeah. So I've talked to, you know, comedians, musicians, um, athletes, NHL, former NHL players, coaches, journalists and doctors like...

...and I I realized that I would like to start capturing these conversations, you know, and sharing them with people because I always learned so much. I feel like it's selfish in a way because I would gain so much from the conversation to kind of plug into my own life. But I was like, when I start capturing these and putting them out in the world So we're at, like, I think, 75 episodes now and stuff, So I just want to continue to keep doing that and hopefully more people will find it. Um, stand up was I want to continue to push myself and grow and continue to create new material all the time. try new things on stage, Uh, you know, and then really push myself that way. Performance was, and then, obviously, I'd like to just do some of my own projects as well, and I'd like to write a book at some point. So I I think that's going to be in my in my near future. So it's like, yeah, continuing to be creative in any way. I think that's when I'm happiest when I'm doing those things. I feel like that's when I'm my authentic self. So I don't have any, um, real tangible goals in terms of like, Oh, I got to raise this are going to respect I feel like those things you don't control necessarily that the universe and industry and all those things deciding. Whereas if my goals are internal and I focus on the things that I can control, which is just my own effort, my own output, then you know, I think I will continue to be happy and content with what I'm doing. Is there anything people may not understand about you, or maybe even comedy in particular, that if they understood this about you or comedy, they would have a better appreciation for you or the art of comedy. I think the big thing about comedy I always I feel like people don't understand is that it's such a vulnerable thing to stand up on a stage and, you know, say, Hey, I'm going to try and entertain these people And, you know, like I said, you could be moving anywhere from 10 people one night, uh, 1500 people the next night, you know? I mean, it's such a vulnerable place to be. And so when people go to shows and they like, yell stuff out or they're drunk and they're heckling, it's like you don't realize how vulnerable that person is on stage, and the only reason they're there is to just make you laugh. That's the only reason they've come. They're not there to go like, I hope these guys suck. And I'm just here to yell at them. They're like they just like to have a good time and laugh. That's the only reason there on the stage. So I feel like sometimes people feel like, well, I'm going to pay my money and not so much at feeders and stuff but like at a comedy club you will have to get people who are just drunk and disruptive sometimes and stuff. And I just think Just think about what it's like to be that person up on stage in the cross hairs up there, you know? And I feel like for, especially for comedians starting out, that's their biggest fear. You know, I was like, Well, what if I get heckled and what if somebody else Something out? And it's like it's kind of, uh it's kind of sad that they still have that fear. That thing still exists, but it always will. I think, you know, to a certain degree, but it's like I thought, the committee up there doing just trying to give you a good night and have a good time. So I think if more people just realize that in that moment and you know, maybe they're not the people sitting in the dark, I better yell stuff out. It's like nobody is here to see you. Nobody is here to see you. Thank you, sir. Eat your chicken, eat your chicken wings, your nachos. That's what I like. I like when comedians I mean, I think it's unfortunate to have to do this, but pointing out to some people, sir or ma'am, do you not realize you're at it? A comedy show? You're you're You're here to laugh. So uncross your arms and just open up And I want to kind of dissect and go through and hopefully hit a little funny bone in you somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, you know, I tell new comedians. I used to do workshops with new comedians, you know, And that was a lot of fear. They would have as well. What if I get heckled? And so I would try and rewire their mind a little bit Where I was like, no one's coming to this show hoping you suck. No one got a babysitter tonight. No one found parking, went for dinner ahead of time and got dressed up in his coming here hoping you eat it. No one. Everyone's on your side already. You're already plus five because they're here sitting down, facing the front quiet. They're already on your side. So you just don't be self conscious about all the other stuff. Just go and focus on your material and do your stuff to the best of your ability and have fun and they're already on your side. It's a very different mentality. Then what if I suck? What is good? What if I get heckled now? You're minus five. You know, like you're already in a whole, like like let's start from a the point of abundance and go from there And it tends to work for a lot of people, you know, is to try and just think in a positive way, walking into that situation, that everyone is there for the right reason and they're all on your side. So I think that works trend. I've only have only have a couple of questions for you. Is there any adversity that you have faced and whether it may help or hinder your career and your comedy career? But you use that as motivation, but you can also use your adversity to help other people who are facing adversity in their work. It's a great question. Um, I think adversity wise something that I've...

...learned and especially entertainment. Um, and I know it applies to a lot of the people in their lives in general, is that quite often the results you're looking for don't happen in your time in the timeline that you've set out for yourself as to when this thing should happen. I don't think the universe cares about when you think it should happen, You know, Um, so we get very frustrated when we feel like we put in a certain amount of effort over a certain amount of time, and we've had equaling this goal at this time. No one's promise you that, you know. So are you willing to wait longer to achieve this thing you want to achieve? And if you can learn to do that? And that's why it's important to love what you do, because it may take way longer for you to get to the point where you think you're supposed to get to, um so that ability to just focus on the everyday little winds of writing a new line for a joke, writing a new five minutes, getting on stage this week, all measurable things that I control. I'm not letting someone else control them. I'm not trying to obtain something for somebody else would be chosen by somebody else. I set the standards and I use my own metrics, and if you can do that It's amazing how you can just gradually keep moving along and progressing because you're not squeezing so tight, hoping for these outside goals to be chosen by somebody else or selected. Or, you know it's an internal metrics you're using for yourself, and you enjoy that process every day. I think that really, really moves you along, and you also enjoy it way more because you're not living and dying on every success and every failure. You're just enjoying the thing that you make and do every single day. And I think if people can learn to do that, they end up a being way happier and be tend to actually get to where they actually want to go. But you're willing to keep moving your feet because you're you know, that timeline is unpredictable. You never know, and you can also in entertainment in particular have a great stretch of a couple of years, and also the bottom falls out of it. And then you go career wise. Things change. So can you maintain a level of, of just continuity mentally to kind of continue to move and continue to create and keep moving? Uh, and I think if people can learn to do that, they end up in a really good place. I'm sure it's been said before, but comedy has probably the most our overarching hands into other people's lives in that if we could look to the comedian on how they struggle, they you know they triumph, the difficulties they go through and all of that and apply them to our own lives. It's not just and this is what I appreciate about Joe Rogan's podcast, which I couldn't at first I was like, Man, why you always having comedians on there? But then I started to realize that these are some hard working individuals, that they don't demand respect, but we surely should give it to them. And when we see the work that you guys, that you in particular go through because you you have a bunch of pots in the fire, right, you're a stand up comedian. You're a writer, you're an actor, you're on a show, right? You have a podcast and all these relate to one another. But it just shows the determination that the dedication that is required to to do this and then other people who are in other types of jobs can say, Listen, you know, I don't need to do that many things, but if I can just take one nugget from what these comedians are doing on a daily basis or what you know on a weekly basis or however long it looks, then I will be better off in my craft. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think you know, when you talk to comedians in general, a lot of times they've had stuff that's happening there, lives that's been rather traumatic. And I'm sure you know a lot of your listeners or viewers. You know, everyone's had stuff in their lives that, you know, has brought them to their needs at some point, and I feel like for all of us, it's how you dance with that, you know, like that. That can't be an excuse test for you not to have the life you want to have. Everyone's got a backpack full of pain that they probably carry around with them, but it's like, How do you how you carry that? How do you process that? And I think when people realize okay, that's what happened to you. That's the cards that were dealt to you. Um, you know, one of these adages I've heard people say, You know, when something bad happens, people say, Why me? Why would this happen to me? And then the other pushback is Well, why not? Why not? Bad things happen to people all the time. People are born in, You know, these war torn countries where there's civil war and they're running through the streets while there's bombs going off, that's their pain. They have to deal with, you know, So we all get something. So at the end of the day, it's like, How are you going to negotiate with it and still go on to try and have the life that you want to have? But it's not an excuse for well, that's why I didn't achieve these things. It's like, No, you had that. But now how you're going to deal with that and move forward? And I feel like when people, when people figure that out, I really believe this. People, I think, will be the process pain or they pass it out. Either process your pain or you pass it on to somebody else, and...

I feel like the more people process they're paying, the more they'll be able to just achieve the goals they want to achieve, go inside themselves and know that is the things that you control. That's what makes the difference, you know, and use that pain positively in their life. Yeah, as opposed to him. And we all know someone who was, you know, going to be the next NHL star or the great athlete out of your hometown or the person who had all the raw talent to be anything and they just didn't do it. And they're full of excuses as to why it didn't happen or whatever. It's like. Okay, like you think you're the only person who ever had to go through adversity to try and get through something. Everybody has that every single person. It's not a smooth road for anybody that I know who's ever achieved anything or any of their goals never wasn't a smooth road for anybody, so why wouldn't it be tough for you? It's tough for everybody, you know. So I think people accept that reality. I think it may be it's a little bit easier to achieve trend to have one more question. Besides how can people reach you? Sure. Uh, you can reach me at my website trans comedy dot com and you can find me on Instagram and Twitter. I think I'm even not linked in. You can believe that. What am I looking for? A job not looking for a job? Hebei. I'm not looking for a job job. I'm good. I'm good. Just my profile picture, Just their profile. They're like, they're for keynotes. And, uh um, yeah, I'm all those platforms and you can find me there. And the podcast. The generators. Podcast with trim McClelland drops new episode every Tuesday so you can find that on all the podcast platforms. So, uh, yeah, I'm all over those places. LinkedIn is a great resource, but how do you explain it to your employer? Just looking around. I'm looking for another sketch comedy show. No, I'm good. I'm good. I just feeling it out. I don't know. It's like high five back in the day. I don't know. It's a fake account. It's not mine coming up, not mine. Pack your post. Sorry. I'll believe it. One final question trend. Why do you work? I work because I feel it's my purpose. I feel it's like making people laugh, having good conversations and sharing it with people. I feel like that's what I was meant to do. And I'm lucky that I get paid to do this, um, and have this job, and I feel very, very privileged and honored to do it. But I work because it makes me feel closer to my authentic self and helps me get in touch with who that person is and the authentic me in there. So I I feel when I do those things, that's how I feel centered and grounded. And when I'm not doing those things I noticed, I don't feel quite myself. So that's why I'm always reminded that that this is the work I'm supposed to be doing. Trade McClelland stand up comedian, writer, podcaster, actor and cast member of this hour has 22 minutes. I appreciate your time, and I appreciate the work that you do. Thanks so much, Brian. Appreciate you having me all the best. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian Wien. Be sure to subscribe, follow and share with others so they too, can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive yet joyful day in your work.

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