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#59 Sonny Wolfe - Retired Head Football Coach - BrianVee Whywework


Coach Sonny Wolfe is a retired Canadian university head football coach. Even though Coach Wolfe is retired, he still coaches high school football and referees basketball. Today he talks about character in a career that faces adversity on every level.

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"Most people spend their lives trying to find a career that is satisfying and fulfilling. For Sonny Wolfe, his decision early in life to coach football would never waver, and over the course of a 40-year career he mentored many young men in a sport they loved and guided them to even greater things after graduation.

A native of Montreal, Sonny was raised in the Cote des Neiges district. He began his career in 1968 as a defensive line coach with the NDG Maple Leafs, followed by three seasons as a defensive coach at Sir George Williams University (1969-71) and four years as a defensive coordinator at Vanier College (1972-75). He played briefly with the McGill Redmen, and graduated from McGill with a degree in physical education in 1976. He then served as a full-time assistant coach and recruiter at McGill for eight seasons under Charlie Baillie, from 1976 to 1983.

A coach that would never be outworked by another at a rival school, Sonny instilled in his assistants a work ethic that would lead to their success. When asked who he considered a mentor in his early years,Sonny referred to his relationship with Baillie.

Sonny Wolfe completed his 24th and final season as a CIS head football coach in 2011 after five years at McGill, capping a 19-year career at Acadia during which he and his wife Denise became an integral part of the local community. He won three AUS championships at Acadia – in 1984, 1995, 1998 – and his 24 seasons as a head coach ties him with the legendary Gino Fracas for the seventh highest career total in CIS football history. He has a career record of 83-94 in CIS regular-season competition and developed more than 20 players who went on to pro football careers in the CFL.

Acadia’s Director of Athletics, Kevin Dickie, was a colleague of Sonny’s from 1997-2000 when Dickie was head coach of the Hockey Axemen. “As both the Director of Athletics and a good friend of Sonny Wolfe’s, I am extremely pleased that he has been inducted into our Sports Hall of Fame,” Dickie said. “I’m not sure there is anyone in the history of Acadia Athletics who has left their mark on a campus in a way that Sonny did over 19 years. It goes way beyond wins and losses; it’s the impact he had on young people and the coaches in other sports who worked alongside him. More than anything, Sonny is a tremendous person, and we are pleased to honour him.”

Following his retirement from CIS football, Wolfe was honoured by Canadian Inter-university Sport in June 2013. He received the Jean-Marie De Koninck Coaching Excellence Award, presented since 2007 to an individual who has made an outstanding contribution to university sport as demonstrated by long-term commitment and leadership as a coach at the local, provincial, national and/or international levels.

Hardly surprising, retirement isn’t really part of Sonny’s plan. His passion for shaping the futures of young people today has taken him back to high school, where he now coaches a team in Montreal. The Acadia Sports Hall of Fame is pleased to induct, in the builder category, an outstanding coach and valued mentor to countless student-athletes, Sonny Wolfe."

Experience (LinkedIn, 2020)

College de Montreal
Offensive Coordinator
College de Montreal
Dates Employed: Mar 2013 – Present
Employment Duration 7 yrs 9 mos

Basketball Referee
Dates Employed: Oct 2011 – Present
Employment Duration 9 yrs 2 mos

McGill Univ
Head Coach
Dates Employed: Apr 2007 – Apr 2011
Employment Duration 4 yrs 1 mo

Université de Montréal
Football Coach
Dates Employed Jan 2004 – Jan 2006
Employment Duration 2 yrs 1 mo

St FX Univ
Offensive Coordinator
Dates Employed Jun 2003 – Dec 2003
Employment Duration 7 mos
Antigonish NS

Acadia University
Head Football Coach
Dates Employed: May 1984 – Jun 2002
Employment Duration 18 yrs 2 mos
Wolfville N.S.

McGill University
Dates Employed Jan 1976 – Apr 1984
Employment Duration 8 yrs 4 mos

Defensive Coordinator
Montreal Concordes
Guest Coach
Dates Employed 1982
Employment Duration: less than a year

Vanier College
Defensive Coordinator
Dates Employed Jul 1972 – Nov 1975
Employment Duration 3 yrs 5 mos

Defensive Coordinator
Sir George Williams University Univ.
Total Duration 2 yrs
Asst FB Coach
Dates Employed 1969 – 1971

Employment Duration 2 yrs
Title: Asst FB Coach
Dates Employed1969 – 1971
Employment Duration2 yrs (LinkedIn, 2020)


...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which would be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going on, keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with E coach Wolf. Spend most of his career as a head football coach in the university levels in Canada. He is now retired, but I know he's still active. He had over four decades in coaching. I want to find out not only about his coaching career, but the man behind the career and his work ethic that brought him to where he is now. Join me in my conversation with Coach I'm Brian V, and this is why we work. And as I just mentioned, I have the honor. Today. I'm speaking with Coach Sonny Wolf. Good morning. Fine, sir. Good morning. Fun to beyond looking forward to this Well I just did an introduction to your coach. And as I just mentioned to you as well that I had the opportunity Thio try out for the Katie football team back in 1996 and then I was on it a little bit later. But rather than go through a whole summary of your career, maybe you can just give a cap of who you are, what it is that you've you've done in just a short amount of time. Because if anyone want to know who you are, there's ah whole slew of interviews with you, and I don't want to bore you. Not that the does bore you of going through your whole career, but I don't want to just re asked some of the same questions and then just What is it you're doing now? All right, start off with how I got into coaching, actually didn't necessarily have a plan to do that. And my brother was working with a coach junior football team who needed someone. My, uh, knees had just about Dunas, much as they could in football, so I said I'd give it a the shot, giving it try and, uh, started coaching first year in junior football here in Montreal, which is where I'm located now and from there, went on to coach O A. Yeah, yeah, I'm 50 4 55 if years most. The university level with would typically at this time in school team and beyond right after the football season. Typically, I referee high school basketball. So I start trying to stay active, trying to stay as young as you can at an advanced stage by being around much of young people, and have been really fortunate to be able to continue as a coach and as a basketball official for all these years. Yeah, there was a little glitch in the Internet there, but I as you mentioned that you've been teaching for coaching for 44 decades. You were at McGill the College Day Morial, uh, Santa's Vex Katya and then now into retirement. You're still staying active, I believe, with a high school team with a zone offensive coordinator, but also refereeing basketball as well. That's exactly right. Typically, this would be a week where we'd be into some kind of a playoff game. Maybe a championship game just on Facebook recently saw last year's championship pictures with the...

...head coach. I'm in the offensive coordinator at the school called El Sisi. We had an undefeated city championship team and there was lots of fun. I'm not spent a lot of time thinking about it, but just reminiscing, having some of the kids interviewed. They were obviously really excited. So, typically, I would now be ending football in starting basketball. Basketball officiating. Yeah, this year kind of puts a twist on a lot of things. Coach, I know you got into coaching after high school and not really knowing what you want to do, but could we bring you back even a little further? What would have been, maybe your first job ever, maybe as a teenager or something that you would have done Thio make a dollar get out of the house? Well, it got me out of the house, but spent spent a lot of time with my dad. My father had grocery stores, a couple of them and, uh, usually Friday night, Saturday mornings, Saturday, sometimes afternoon if I wasn't practicing football. I worked for my dad for a number of years as a teenager during my high school years and uh, put a couple of cents in in the bank. But more than anything, learned how hard work can be. Was that primarily what you did working for your dad's store, or did you do any other jobs as well? Yeah, that would have been my my loan experience. Prior Thio moving on and, uh, working at a with A in the packaging industry. But I worked for my dad for a number of years, including full time after high school for about a two or three year period. So was this your dad pulling you out of the house? Where you wanting to get some money and go to find a job? Or how did? What was the reason why you worked with your dad? Uh, pulling I your expression he pulled. We were four boys and a couple of the young. I'm the oldest of four, and a couple of the younger ones didn't start working until later on. But we were cheap labor. And but we learned an awful lot about life and hard work because that was what my dad was all about. Hard work, enough. It was constant and hey helped get us on it. on a track where by all of us, have had some kind of success in life and big. I think much has to be attributed to my dad's work at so thinking of as you're stepping into coaching from high school, being in football. Did you find yourself a leader at that early age, or were you quiet and shy and or were you? Did you see some leadership qualities in you, even at other people seeing them in you at a young age? Well, to give you an idea of how shy I waas at beginning of my football career My very first year I was coaching a junior team in Montreal area and our first game was in Ottawa and we had a roughly a two hour bus trip and halfway oh towards Ottawa, I think, and then click Hill. It's not important where it was, but we had a team meal, and, uh, I was gonna talk to the defensive team. I was a defensive line coach and, uh, George Frank Cattle. Not sure if you're familiar with his name, but George was a passed away recently. He's a great football player, played in the NFL, played in CF, well coached in the CFL for many, many years and George was our defensive coordinator. He happened to not be available for this one game in Ottawa and I had to talk to the defense and I never I was always someone who was very reluctant to get up in class...

...and speak. It wasn't something that I was comfortable with. Uh, not at all confident. So I have no idea what I said to the team. I do know I was dressed in a suit and tie and my jacket was absolutely drenching. It was soaking wet way the ton. Somehow I got something out of my mouth, I guess, and that was that really made it easier. That was a tough as it's ever been for me and I've now done hundreds of clinics and I'm quite comfortable talking in front of groups, particularly when it's about football. So in terms of leadership I felt comfortable that I knew a firm out about the game and I felt comfortable coaching in the sense that I knew that or I believe that I could help our players become better football players. But I learned to become leader is Aziz. Things went on through your four decades of coaching. Did you ever get any other jobs? I mean, especially in your younger You're beginning time when it might have been more of an assistant position. Did you have to supplement your income or you did something just for the fun of it? Well, just Thio not belabor the point. But unlike many people beyond high school, I knew that I wanted Thio. Well, I wasn't sure exactly what I wanted to do. I realized it wasn't working for my dad forever. That was what I really wanted to do. So I spent some time working with my father's, I said earlier than I worked with the packaging company. It took me 10 years to figure out what I really wanted to do before going to university. So there was a 10 year period between high school and university, and when I went back to university, I truly didn't know what I wanted to do. But that point I was hooked on coaching, and I needed a phys ed degree in order to be able to do it on a full time basis. So I went to McGill that a physics degree there and in terms of jobs. I worked my first three years as an assistant coach and part time at McGill, and I work full time at a center for delinquent males, the toughest kids in Quebec, and had a great time with those guys. So I spent three years, part time coaching and working with delink when kids just north of Montreal. That leads me into a question that I have. And it's interesting that you have done that because I think football players in general, including myself, are sometimes considered a little delinquent. Not, I mean or just athletes in general could be considered, you know, maybe off doing their own thing. Could you comment on in your experience of seeing rookies or young people coming up into sport and into football in particular? And then you see them say, cross the stage when they graduate, and even years later, when you see them, How that transition that I mean, there must be a joy in that a satisfaction. And you've learned a lot over the years on how that transformation can happen and thes young fellows lives. Yeah, I guess the the place where would be easiest to see. One's growth would be at a school like a Katya, more so than McGill, where you don't see them all of the time. You see them during football season and you see them during workouts. Um, during the off season. But at Acadia, literally, you saw all of your players on a daily basis, and you would often see a young man drive up prior to the beginning of school for a training camp with their parents, and often times they would have Ah, ah, hard time looking you in the eye. You know, they were shy. They were going to experience something that was completely new to them, being away for the first time in many cases. And then you see them four years later, walking, uh, chests out. Certainly looking,...

...everyone's in the eye and the development over a four year period at the university. And I do believe that there is a greater opportunity to grow at a school like Arcadia when you're away from your folks in a new environment, then at McGill. That has nothing to do with the educational value of the two places, but just the growth opportunity for a young person is, I believe, outstanding when you're away, away from your folks. Uh, nothing wrong with having a really solid relationship with your family. But in order to grow, I think being on your own in that kind of a setting, uh, just a great opportunity, Teoh to find out who you are, learned a lot about life and, uh, leave four years later, in some cases starting as a boy and leaving as a man. And there's great satisfaction and seeing that kind of developed. Yeah, if anyone is familiar with will Fill Nova Scotia and Katie University knows it's an intimacy that you grow to appreciate while small. There's just so much, Uh, and I even heard you speak about it, and I had similar memories of running down, you know, running along the the dykes or something running down the street. It's just it was just a calming, soothing place that's, you know it's part of your life and you'll never let it go. I've also heard you speak about your own growth as a coach and wanting to win and then having some guidance in your own life and then realizing to embrace the process. The process of what you're going through is, you know, the season or as a career, Could you comment on that? How to embrace the process and that might even relate into everyday life and other people's employment and work? Yeah, I suspect I was very much like any young coach. Initially, it's not completely about winning, but it's not far from completely being about winning on the on a regular basis and winning games. And over time you have a much better sense for you, say the process and how much a sport like football being a part of a demanding, um, opportunity can can truly, uh, work wonders with with young people. I haven't coached another game. I played some basketball now officiate basketball. So I sense that all sports can provide a young youth with with opportunities to grow. But I don't know there's anything quite like football. The demands off, uh, practicing and working out for about nine months to play for three. That Z quite unusual, and many of the players never touched a football. You know, they spend nine months preparing for a season where the only time they'll see a ball is maybe prior to practice when they're throwing it around a little bit with their buddies. So there's a tremendous amount of dedication that's required to play the very special game of football. And, uh, that that being the case, I did find initially Cem awesome, great role models, one of them being Charlie Bailey, who was the head coach of Medio. My first full time coaching would have been with at McGill when Charlie was the head coach and I was the defensive coordinator for an eight year period and a two that time, football wasn't at all like it is today. In the in the sense that school like Miguel, probably four or five full time football coaches now on the Val probably have seven or eight. And most of the schools in the country have multiple guys coaching full time. When I was at McGill first time, I was the lone full time coach. Even the head coach, Charlie Bailey, was was an assistant coach, and I, being the youngest guy on staff, was initially the I guess, voted or...

...relegated to be the one who would, uh, room with Charlie on the road in there. No one else was really keen to do that because Charlie loves cigars, and Charlie and I would be up prior to a game. Hey, also, like scotch. So the Scotch was able having a couple of glasses of scotch, helped me deal with the cigar smoke, and we would talk about life. We would talk about footing while we talk about our team. And Charlie was convinced and convey. Helped convinced me. Over time, I was a young guy, wanted toe win. He wanted to win his battle as I did, but he had a better sense. For what? Why we were doing what we were doing. And, um, over time, I became one who still wanted to win and do anything and everything that you could, uh uh, that that would provide your young athletes with their best opportunity on a Saturday afternoon to go out and do battle, at least on a part with the opponents of not being a little bit better than them. Coach, I recall you being a tremendous squash player. Is that is that not correct? Uh, racquetball squash. Very similar. And everybody wanted a piece of you, but but they couldn't. They couldn't bto. It was a very difficult What do you do now? And you mentioned your knees, like even from years before. So what do you do now to stay active? I know you're the offensive coordinator and referee, but thinking of my show of why we work, I have the opportunity to interview a lot of people people getting into work, people that are in the height of their career and people that are retired. And I think all of these stories have great value for listeners. So how is it or what is it you're doing now? And how do you stay? Motivated to stay productive. Okay, I guess you asked a couple of things, Uh, in that question, uh, to start with in terms of trying to stay physically fit, which I think is hugely important. I did run a lot. I did play an awful lot of racquetball. I could no longer do those things. So I walk a tremendous amount virtually every day during the football season. While you're not running a lot, you still act that removed drills. I coached the quarterback as well or quarterbacks and oftentimes throw the ball with them, so I stay active during the football season during basketball is actually quite a bit of running. UH, 77. Trying to stay, uh, for 77. If I can interrupt there for a moment, you're doing pretty well. But the basket basketball is is a great conditioner, and one of the things that I tell other folks trying to get them Thio officiate is that generally you wouldn't have to pay to go to the gym. In this instance, they're paying you to come to a gym, get a good workout, and eso those air are the kinds of things that I try to do from a physical perspective to stay. I za za fit as I can, I think, in order to be mentally fit in order to be able to go out and be a good official, be a good football coach, I think you have to be. There has to be a level of physical fitness, so to me that's something that Z very important then. And I don't know that there's anything that I prefer reading other than football journals now. It used to be that I would go to a lot of clinics. There's not a need to do it to the same degree anymore because there's so much online. There's some outstanding coaches that you're able Thio tap into their wisdom by by going to their sites and on occasion, becoming a member of certain associations. But it's something that I believe deeply that if you're going to be good at anything, you cannot ever let yourself feel like. Okay, I I now have all the answers and...

...no one has all the answers. So I'm still today looking for answers. How Doe I teach a quarterback to read, uh, in an easier way. How do I make it clearer for him? How doe I help him with his footwork? How do I help him with this confidence level? So I'm always looking to those people. We're at the cutting edge and trying to read the books on occasion. But more than anything, uh, there's just so much information online. I'm just love devour. I devour that stuff looking back, and I guess you probably had a similar question about satisfaction. But thinking in retirement, what what sort of where do your eyes gaze to and looking at the satisfaction of maybe looking over your career where you are now. How do you gauge that? Well, one of the things that maybe some people would find it a little odd. I really enjoy going on Facebook and not to read political things, Aziz. Much as see what our guys air up Thio. There's tremendous. There's a, uh, a group football Katie. Guys and people are constantly, uh, letting us know how what's going on in their life. So it's very, very interesting being able Thio try to stay in touch with, uh, we're guys are in their life when they're doing what what their accomplishments are. It's particularly fun to see guys who were still coaching not still coaching there. They're young, but the number of guys that I spent time with who were coaching today and coaching in some cases that pretty high level. So, um, just tryingto see what has happened to the guys that you spend time with them. You hope that you paid it. You spend some time with them that was positive. That has helped them get to where they are. Thio, aspire and detain goals that were important to them. Well, I know we share the same coach or it would have been your players, coaches apus or coach happy Steve, Steve And he just retired recently. And I mean, looking back and just saying, you know, he and he had a great career is a coach. And, you know, he worked in the sports recreation department and had a great career. And those sorts of things that can see is being, um, satisfaction toe looking back and saying that you you've had a part And I know he said that you had a great part in his life. Yeah, ironic that you talk about Steve SAP is the very first player that I recruited to Goto. Katya was Stephen Sapp. Hey was playing in an All Star game in Toronto High school All Star Game and, uh, they at that time in Toronto and I suspect still do have a huge number of high school team. So I went to practice Thio. See, I knew about three or four kids who we were very interested in, uh, in recruiting. And then the guy who was always at the bottom of pilot the dirtiest sweater and worked the hardest was Steve. This app is maybe not the best player on the field, but certainly is dedicated as anyone. And I don't want to diminish his skills as a football player because he became a very, very good linebacker for us. But the first thing I noticed about happy was when no one that wanted Thio compete at a higher level than he did. And I think it was a little surprised that there was the interest in him from our school that that I showed in, uh, really real police that he came. And you're right. Hey, had a great career, was very instrumental, I think, dedicated over a long, long period of time and helped many, many youngsters. He knows this about that. I've said this about him. I was not a good a good football player, but one time and I think in front of the DBS is like Brian, you're you're a good athlete and I just took that May I...

...think, And that's part of what he saw in you, as you're saying, you know, he may not have been the best, but, you know, he was there. He was dedicated and he took that sort of, um, character trade from you to find the best in people and to encourage them wherever they are and hope thio further them along and what it is they plan on doing. Coach, what is it? People may not understand about you and maybe what you tried to accomplish. Maybe not consciously, but you were just trying to do something. They don't understand that you like people to understand better about you and maybe where you are now or in your career over the last four decades. Well, I'm not sure that on that well known by that many people other than guys that I coached with coached against and actually coached. But what I look back on my life and I can't believe how fortunate I've been. I had not ever interviewed for a position until I interviewed for the Katya job and I interviewed one other time, and I was to get the job at McGill. So I I've just been in the right place at the right time. I'm not sure. Charlie Bailey, who was the head coach at McGill, hired me because we had worked together at Sir George, uh, Sir George Williams University, which is now part of Concordia University. So Charlie hired me because he we knew one another when he needed a defensive coordinator. Hey, Charlie hired me. Then the one time that I applied for a job, I really applied for the position, dedicada to get the experience of applying for a job so that when I saw something, I really I didn't know that much about the Katie. I knew something about it because I knew they. At that time I ripped place John Hubert, who won two national championships. So I knew about about them through the success that they had in their conference on and I I've been just so fortunate, you know, to spend your whole life doing something that you're passionate about that you enjoy. It's not always easy. There's a lot of hard work that goes into into football, in particularly the recruiting aspect of it. But every day you wake up and there's a great challenge and you're excited to go to the office. You're excited in particular on Saturday afternoon playing the game, and that's what why you work as hard as you do in order to go out and, uh, in challenge yourself and challenge your athletes playing against another good University football program coach knowing that you're from Montreal. But you spent almost two decades in will feel Nova Scotia. I think I would be a Miss Thio. Get your your summary not your idea of willful aside from football, just, you know, to put it on the map. To say what? What you thought of this place for the two decades that you spent there. Uh, initially, I think you could be in Chicago in Montreal or Wolf fell and coaching is the same. You wake up early, you go into the office and it's dark. You come home at night and it's dark. So from a coaching perspective, you could be almost anywhere and, uh, not very much changes. What does what is so different and so unique about a small college town? See, those folks who were there in many instances, air coming from away? Uh, certainly. We met and became quite friendly with folks from from from the Wolf Hill area. But more often than not, the prophets and the other coaches were coming from from places other than than wolf. Ill. Nova Scotia. What I found about the small town. What? We appreciate my well my wife, Denise myself was how important friends are. We had family in Quebec and Montreal, both my wife and myself.

But we had no family in Nova Scotia and we'll fill. But we made great friends, and the lifestyle layer is solely back. It was just, uh, 19 years off absolute joy. And, uh, E did spend one season in Ana Gomes. So kind of, yeah, end of these territory and state of X. Yeah, and coach down. And actually, uh, one of the, uh, semi most semi sweet experiences that I ever had in football was being the offensive coordinator at ST FX. Coming back to a cave in the semifinal game and beating them in the fourth quarter were down by two touchdowns. And our quarterback, who's our third string quarterback, just had an unbelievable fourth quarter. We ended up winning the game, and there's absolute joy because you helped the team do what they were hoping to do, which was when the huge game. But then I saw on the field teary eyed fifth year players who had recruited. So, uh, it was, as I say, a senator variance. It was just absolute joy on the one hand and then seeing some guys who I love. Seeing them bawling their eyes out on the field was tough. But things happen. It's funny you and I, probably both you can just imagine, will fill. You could imagine every street, almost every tree, every monument, because it's so small. It's, you know, it's a cute little town coach. What about a tool that you've used as coaching? Maybe even now as a referee or in your offensive coordinating position, a tool that is most efficient for you, that maybe a coach up and coming coach would, you know, maybe is a whistle. Might might be a chalkboard. Whiteboard might be a laptop nowadays. What was very vital for you to be efficient in your job in your work? I'm not sure it would be a tool so much as my my riel strong sense that preparation is the key to anything and everything that that I've done, particularly around around coaching. I'd always tell our guys that if they worked hard enough, they were well enough prepared they could go in and be confident, and that was similar to the way I would try to prepare in the sense that every student who has spent a huge number of hours prior to a test goes in feeling confident. Similarly, I think in your preparation to coach and your preparation to recruit your preparation. Thio go onto the field and in practice, if you spent the appropriate amount of time and and done the research that's required in any aspect, I think preparation is the key thio to confidence and confidence. The key to success thinking of that. And maybe it's the same answer of what tip would you give to listeners about work in general if they're starting their job thinking, you know of your dad's grocery store, you're packing position, even those sorts of jobs, people getting into work for the first time, or as you taking a 10 year hiatus or a thinking period and then getting into coaching what sort of advice we have for people getting in tow work? Oh goodness uh, confidence to me is, is the the key, and I think I'm repeating myself a little bit in preparation is the key to confidence. Eso almost regardless of the position, and I have not spent much time doing anything other than than coaching. Uh, but I can't I can't believe that it wouldn't be equally important. Almost any position that you would hold in any any field. If you're the best prepared individual, I suspect that you're gonna...

...have great success. I, passion is, is hugely important to I mean, it's easy to be passionate when you're coaching, but I believe if you're going to be successful in any walk of life, that, uh, being passionate about it and I know some people, uh, it's not easy to be passionate about something that isn't all that much enjoy where there isn't that much enjoyment and what you do professionally. But if you can find something that you are passionate about, and I know that's maybe belittling, uh, something that you hear too often. But to me, it's It's so true. Passionate people are likely to prepare, and if you prepared, you can be confident and therefore will be. We'll have great success, Coach. I'll have a few more questions for you. This this next one is more of career and character and being retired now and looking back and I have a sense that there's lots of people that try to attain a career versus trying to be of character in whatever career they're in. So they're looking mawr at how high they can get, rather than you know, maybe how wide they can affect the people that they're working with. How how did you balance your idea of trying to attain a career and bringing a character of integrity into your work? Oh, goodness, uh, if you're going to be, uh, asking an athlete or a co coach or coach working for you to give their best to be the best that they can be, I think that on Lee can take place that they have great confidence in you as an individual. And the character element is a huge part of that. I think that your athletes, as soon as they see any aspect of phoniness, um, playing with the rules a little bit, I think you lose a tremendous amount of respect in there. The likelihood that you can lead people when there's any doubt is to your copy your, uh, competence, your character. I'm not sure there's a hope and heck that you're going to be able to do something with someone relative. Thio being there for them when they when they need you being able to ask them to give everything that they have of themselves. They have to see in that individual and the leader someone who has true character and positive character, honesty and all the good stuff. As a coach in university, you are in a unique position to be in between students and athletes, like really in between their ability to continue on or not continue on. What is your view of education Now, whether formal or just hands on experience or trades, how do you value education and what you've seen in athletes? And even just in regular experience? One of the things that was somewhat difficult Thio get young folks Thio buy into is the importance of education. So Maney athletes, particularly those who are fairly high achieving athletes or flat out high achieving athletes Uh, no. That if I get 18 credit hours, I'll be eligible, and their goal isn't to get an education. Their goal is to go to the NFL just recently, talking with a coach at a really outstanding a coach of a really outstanding high school program, just so self that the city of Montreal and He's talking about having 53 kids on this team and all 53 think they're going to the NFL and it's his...

...role. And it was my role to try to get them to understand. Even if you are that good, the NFL career is gonna be four years. Um, there's a 40 year career outside of football, and you better take care of having an opportunity to be successful outside of foot ball. Certainly football for those guys who are the high achieving guys and go on to have great careers, it will help them, in some instances, open doors. But it was a real challenge and continues to be a challenge for coaches. Justus, I said last week, talking with the guy who today has the same challenges I had 40 years ago, getting guys to understand how important this education could be relative to you having a satisfying life Coaches. They're thinking of my listeners of why we work and the difficulties people have along the way of thinking of adversity and how sports has a lot of adversity. Justin, you know, third down and long or but and losing and but the adversity people face on a daily basis. Do you have any final words of encouragement for people who face adversity and knowing that, you know you can have this loss and this loss? But, you know, maybe tomorrow there might be win, however small it is, and they say football is a game of inches. Do you have any words of encouragement for people in their work again? I'm not haven't had that many experiences other than, uh than coaching, but I believe that what I did experience in coaching, uh, there be more updates than there'd be down days. But it's not always easy when you recruit as an example, there's a quarterback that could make a huge difference to you. And you have a great relationship with him with this family. And, uh, you believe that boy? It looks like we have a really good shot, but you're not going to get them all. And you do lose out on on on some great athletes that but you have Thio. You can't let that be a big enough drag on the bounce of your recruit, and you've gotta find a way to get back up. And sometimes I would go for a bit of a walker. I run, uh, read, read some real positive passage from some coach and get on the phone and and find the second best quarterback that you were hoping to get and just go after it. So, you know, I think everybody has their own own style or needs their own style reading positive materials, listening to some of the, uh, Tony Robbins kinds of kind of the guy. You know, there's some motivating information out there, some of it online. Somebody by be a books. Uh, I think there's a way where you can grab hold of something after ah, loss and say, Okay, Uh, yeah, they got me. It got me. But, uh, tomorrow's tomorrow's another day and we're gonna make tomorrow work. You humbly say that you've mostly done coaching, but in all of life, outside of sports, most people refer back to coaching that say, life is like coaching or life is like board. So obviously there's, ah, the inter mingling of the two. Coach, how can people you mentioned Facebook? How can people get in touch with you if they're just wanting to know anything about coaching or sports in general? maybe you wanna have a talk? Well, probably the easiest would be via my email address, which is my name, sonny dot wolf at McGill dot c. A love talking about coaching, love, talking about leadership, love talking about just life in general. So being a retired guy, particularly at this during this pandemic, there's lots of...

...hours available and anyone who would want to talk about coaching or anything they think I might be able to help them with. I'm absolutely interested in doing whatever I can coach. I have one final question, and that is Why do you work? Oh, goodness. Uh, I'm retired. You're still working, though you're still working, How can you not? I write a column, a weekly column for Canada Football Chat, which is predominantly a recruiting tool that is run by a couple of ex players from a Katya. So I enjoy doing that. It takes up that's part of one day every week, but it forces me thio, do something that I enjoy. I'm writing about I'm not a great writer, but I love football and I have a fair amount of experience in the game and some really, uh what I believe to be important ideas and thoughts. So I work because if I didn't, why? Why be here? I mean, there's gotta be a reason for getting up other than having a good cold beer late in the day. But, you know, to me, work is is life. I heard it said, If a man don't work, a man don't eat. So I think that's just in lines with that as well. Coach Sonny Wolf. Thank you so much. It's been an honor and a pleasure, sir. Thank you so much, Brian. Appreciate your interest in again. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, Follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive, joyful day in your work.

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