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#119​ Paul Hollingsworth Bell Media Reporter & Author BrianVee WhyWeWork

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Paul Hollingsworth is a reporter for Bell Media where he has anchored and covered local and international news and sports. Paul's interests are many but his heart is with his family and local community.

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...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. I have the great pleasure. Speaking with Paul Hollingsworth, Paul is a reporter for Bell Media. He is an author, and today I want to find out from Paul what he thinks about personal branding, whether that's for athletes or people in work on such sites as linked in Join Me in my conversation today with Paul Hollingsworth. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. I have the great pleasure speaking with Paul Hollingsworth. Good day. Fine, sir, Good day to you and thank you for having me on. This is it's always it's always flattered to be asked when people ask me to do this kind of thing. So I was thrilled I was thrilled at the invite. Well, I'm even more thrilled that you said yes, and I appreciate your time. Will you tell us, Paul, for some people may not know, but even people who do know you're more specifically what industry are you in? What are you up to nowadays? I'm a broadcaster. I worked for CTV, Atlantic and Halifax. I'm a reporter slash anchor, Uh, focusing a local news. Um, basically, it might. My story is this. I worked at CTV Atlantic, uh, formerly a TV for 18 years as a reporter anchor. I went off and worked for TSN for seven years, 7.5 years, had a great gig with him, literally traveled the world, traveled North America on a weekly basis. And then after doing that for about seven years, I went back to CTV Atlantic almost three years ago. And, uh, in a life filled with some mediocre decisions, going back to CTV Atlantic was a great decision because it's my home. It's my professional home. I get to report an anchor in my community in front of people I grew up alongside covering issues that matter to me, and, uh, I just I just feel, you know, you get that comfort zone. I feel very blessed and comfortable in this role in this stage of my life. Very good. Will you bring us back, Paul? What was your very first job and and after asking you to come on, I had a message. Was it yesterday? Now, from your mom, Sharon trying to get. She was checking you out and seeing seeing what you're up to and she was messaging me. What was your first job growing up as a as a preteen? A teen unrelated to what you're doing now selling lemonade, selling baseball cards. What was the first thing you did to make or attempt to make a buck? I had a paper route for the Halifax Herald. That was back in grade six, which would be 1980. I was 51 years old, So in the summer of the year of 80 slash 81 that school year is my grade six year. I had a paper route in South End Halifax from about August until the next September. It was a morning paper route and it was too hard. There's no other way saying it was because if there is. You know, we really get a blizzard to five in the morning. You have to deliver the papers and I'd walk around with this bag of papers. So in the summer time, when the sun was shining and the birds were chirping even as a 10 year old, there was a meat way to start my day. It was very peaceful and tranquil, but I I remember, like literally getting up on school mornings at five in the morning and walking in snow up to my hips and delivering papers papers Very unsafe by today's standards, I would never let my 10 year old son go into a blizzard, but I thought I found it too hard. I just I mean, there's I'd love to tell you that there was a great reason why I didn't do it anymore, but it was just too damn hard. So I stopped doing it. That was my very first job. Well, you and I were speaking before we started recording and mentioning sackful drive. I lived on sackful drive, and I did. I delivered the Daily News in grade six and until I got fired because it was too hard. I was throwing the papers away, thinking nobody's reading these things. Yeah, my excellent small world. My dad was the managing editor of The Daily News. So I remember you. My dad, I someone came to my house and sat at the kitchen table. He's like, Okay, Brian, maybe this is not for you. Okay? Sorry. Too funny. That is too funny, my goodness. So as you and paper routes...

...are common and I think it's good for people to hear people who have Children, I mean, as you rightly said, some jobs are probably not as safe as what we thought they were back then. So we may consider something else but having our kids. Um, if there's a kid who listens to this, there's nothing wrong with getting out there and working, whether it's a lemonade stand or delivering something nowadays, there might be a new way to deliver or do something with social media or something, just as a kid. But what? What did you start to do as you got older, maybe in middle school and high school? In terms of work? I am Good question I In Grade 11, I got a job at Ben's Bakery on Pepperell Street in Halifax. That was another hard job I was on. So I go to school from Monday to Friday, and then on Saturday and Sunday I'd have to get up at seven in the morning. So no sleeping in during the school year to be at work at 8 30 to work 8 30 to 4 30 at Ben's Bakery and cleaning the ovens and all the baking equipment that get just filthy during the week. And I did that for most of grade 11. By the grace of God, by the grace of God, I broke my ankle in gym class one day playing basketball, and so I had to take time off work, and again this happened today would be probably a workplace violation. But back then it was just a more unsophisticated time when they said, they said to me, Okay, you broke your ankle. You can offer two months. We hired somebody in your place. Don't come back. They never said you're fired. The job just sort of evaporated. This is 30 five years ago. I hold no, no grievance or grudge against bends. It was just It was just the way it was and I was so relieved because they didn't know how to quit the job. It was so hard. My parents probably like the fact I was working, but I was. I remember in February I'd be like Oh my God, I've been working and going to school for 91 straight days Because you go to school Monday to Friday work Saturday, Sunday, Monday to Friday I was exhausted and this went on and on and on, so that was a tough job. But that job, that job taught me a lot because and I want to be careful when I answer this, I would never look down my nose at anyone's job. I would never say I'm too good for this or I'm too good for that because the reality is if I lost my job tomorrow, I would deliver papers. If I had to do, I would do whatever I have to do to contribute to my family. But you learn along the way what you don't want to do. I'm not afraid of hard work. I'm not afraid of manual labor, but I did not want to clean up the bakery for the rest of my life. I had enough of a sample size to say That's exactly what I don't want to do with my time because it's too damn hard. So that was a good learning experience for me. Um, and you know, it was, you know, made a bit of money, boost some self esteem. I recall they paid me every Friday, which is great, so I didn't have to wait two weeks for payday. So every Friday I get paid, like 70 or $80 which is an enormous amount of money back then, and it's just, you know, But it was a hard job, a good learning experience, and then after about, I'll say seven or eight months. That gig evaporated when I busted my ass. I think it's a great perspective to have, and I think I've held it for a while as well, doing things and realizing what you're not going to do opposed to. And some people have it right. Maybe they have a certain talent, and they can pursue that their whole life and never do something else. Hopefully, they're not too high on the hog to think that they would never do something else. But the idea of getting these different jobs, the experience and then checking off. Okay, I've had a taste of this. My sampling sizes is good enough, and I realized this is probably not for me. And I believe it gives you a better appreciation for those people who do these jobs on a regular basis. Absolutely. And well said, I just find that the irony is or the curiosity of it all is is at a very early age. I started to check off things that I didn't want to do, but I still wasn't sure what I wanted to do. So it's like that alluvial alluvial fan, that little triangle leading into a decision. And you have this great grab bag of opportunities in front of you. And by the time you get through university into your twenties, okay, I'm going to be three, a schoolteacher or university professor or a journalist. Or maybe I'll go to law school, be a lawyer. It will take me, and I remember having those thoughts. But it took me 10 or 12 years of manual labor to get to that point, and it's really interesting. I had no idea at the time I was getting an education that I was I was getting education in life about what it means to work what it means to physically put yourself, uh, in pain, doing a job sometimes to actually perspire at work, to actually come home sweaty and stinky...

...from 8 to 8 hours of, like, literally sweating your tail off and bending over backwards to do a gig. And what you learn about yourself, it's character building. Um, and it didn't kill me. It made me better. It made me stronger. And it put me on a path to make a series of decisions which lead me to where I am right now, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. So I guess it all paid off. And it was all productive along the way, knowing that you went to spew and you took a bachelor of arts with English that you took a journalism degree at kings and your profession that you're in now, When did that idea come from middle school high schools or something? That you did some experience that you had That kind of led you towards media? Yeah, well, my dad, my dad was a journalist. I guess he would probably say he still is a journalist once the journalists, always a journalist so he was and and just to give you 15 or 20 seconds background of my father, he was the managing editor of The Daily News. He had been the sports editor of the Chronicle Herald. Excuse me, The Chronicle Herald Years ago. He was a morning sports anchor for C. H. N s radio. He was a junior hockey coach. He was a junior baseball coach. So my life was saturated in sports and media. He was president of the Maritime Junior Hockey League for years, head coach of the Halifax Lines, Junior 18 when I was young and running and running the local newspaper. So I had sports and media all around me and growing up, I was a big Montreal Expos fan. I had the Montreal Gazette newspaper in my house every single day, the globe and mail in my house every single day. My parents watched the news, late night news and six o'clock news every single day. We listened to the radio in the morning, eating breakfast all the time. So I had all these influences coming at me when it came to a training ground without a meaning without meaning it, too. And then then if I could even dial in further on this, like going to Nova Scotia voices games with my dad, he would take me to the press box. So I was sitting at the press box at the Metro Center 20 years before I ever worked in media. I remember. I remember I told this story to somebody recently. I forget who and I was at the Memorial Cup in 2000 with the moose heads and I brought a friend of mine. I signed him in and brought him up to the press box for the game. There's 10,000 people there, great environment, and he says, Man doesn't freak you out and let you out. They let you sit up here and I was like, I've been sitting at Pearson doing I've been doing my whole life whole life. Yeah, and so So I guess this is a long answer to get to the point where my dad didn't raise me to be a journalist. That would be a romantic notion and an overstatement, but it was kind of a family business and He was a print guy with a bit of broadcasting. I could always right and turn of phrase, but to come back to the answer to your question, I remember daydreaming about being a sportscaster when I was 10 years old. I remember staring at the bathroom mirror, talking to myself, pretending I was anchoring a sports show. I remember sitting by myself one time. I don't think I've ever told anybody this one time in 1981 82 The boys were playing at the Metro Center on a Sunday night, and I forget the circumstance. But I was not with my father in the press box that night. It wasn't that I wasn't allowed to, but I think he probably had some official business to do. Businesses do so He set me up on myself in the upper bowl, and I was in Grade seven that year at the Nova Scotia Boys yours game and there were about four or 5000 people in the lower bowl and the upper bowls were empty and this upper bowl was empty. But for me, I was by myself and I was sitting there mumbling to myself, doing the play by play. Yeah, and if anybody had heard me, it would have been mortified. And God knows I'm still not of all the broadcasting stuff I do, I'm not a great play by play man. I'm happy to admit that it's a real tough skill set, and it's one that doesn't come naturally to me. But I remember doing that. Then I remember staring at the bathroom mirror, pretending I was a sportscaster way back then. So that was always in me. Um, if I'm being brutally honest, Um, I I wasn't geared for achievement at a young age, so I probably just dangerous about it. I probably thought when I was 10, 15 years old, that those are jobs for other people to have not for me to have, um, I had, you know, George W. Bush, not to quote George W. Bush, but he always talks about the soft bigotry of low expectations. I had my own self imposed soft bigotry of low expectations. I just assumed those great opportunities were for other people to enjoy, Not for me. That is not to say I suffered from terribly low self esteem when I was young, because in other ways I didn't. But on those fronts, I always ended the internal dialogue sentence was saying all that...

...will never happen. They would never hire a guy like me. And so I just daydreamed about it. And then, you know, I got to high school at the university, and slowly I started to get some gumption. I started to see some things in myself, and I went for it. I just I decided to make that my career choice, and it was a tough path. Bye. That gumption that you started to develop when was the first time that either behind a microphone or something specific into this path that you're on? What sort of put me When? When did I When did I kind of get on the race track? The work started kind of what happened? Besides, yeah, maybe it was a school of maybe university, college project or something that you had to do. But maybe even your first gig. Actually, no, it I can tell you from a life experience standpoint, uh, and it's not I don't mind talking about this in that I don't. It's not a sad thing to talk about the bring bring down the interview. My brother died in 1991 and he was my older brother. He was 23 years older than me, and it's a line of demarcation. There's everything before 1991 when I was 21 22 years old, going to be 22 everything after. And I think when, um, I don't know the exact quote, but, you know, when I was a boy, I did boys things, But when I became a man, I put away boys. Things are childish things and pursued more adult things in my life. I when I went through that family tragedy, Um, and I hope you don't mind me framing it around that, because it's a heavy topic, but it's a but but there's sunshine in my head. When I talk about this, I just I woke up to the notion that you know what, you don't live forever. I've gone through this terrible tragedy. I'm doing okay. I miss him terribly. I need to live a life that's meaningful and productive going forward. I'm not going to waste any time because I can see from his experience, but sometimes you don't grow to have gray hair and I reached down deep inside of myself and I faked confidence. I faked initiative. I faked drive until I no longer had never no longer had to fake it because you fake something when you say, Oh, I can't I can't do that. I can't apply for this job or I can't take a job at the school. Newspapers started writing for it because I won't be any good. Well, if you fake the courage and you force yourself to do it because you know it's time to get serious in life, all of a sudden I did that and I'm covering the volleyball team for ST Mary's. And then the school newspaper comes up one day and said, Hey, you know what? I faked it. I forced myself out of my comfort zone. I made this opportunity happen, and I'm reading my article. It's not that bad. Next time I'm going to fake it a little less. And then the opportunities came up with the school, the school radio station. And then, of course, when you get the king's, when you go to University of King's College, it's basically a production house. There's a radio station in the basement. There's a cable 10 TV station. There's a school newspaper and you know, you just if you if you throw yourself off the deep end in life, you learn how to swim in a hurry and you find that you have confidence and stamina and belief himself and self esteem that you didn't think you had. And let me be clear on this. I'm anchoring the news tomorrow night for Steve Murphy because he's off whatever skill set I have or don't have all that, others decide. I don't spend a lot of time worried about how good I am anymore, just trauma hardest and hope it's good enough. But you have to have a belief himself to sit on that desk and acre that show. You can't get up there without having some sort of belief in yourself. Those qualities didn't come naturally to me. I had to really push myself to discover them, and it took a lot of self evaluation and a lot of stumbling and a lot of fear and a lot of doubt and a lot of concern to a lot of fear, doubt and concern to discover that that was actually inside of me and slowly but surely it happened. But it took a long time. As you say this. Do you think there's some may be tempted to do this as well. Some false humility and people like, Oh, you know, they have this desire. They think, you know, some people may be acknowledged their skill set, but I just couldn't do it. And it's more of maybe not a false humility. But the idea of you just need some encouragement, some more gumption to get over that bump and knowing that it just needs to be cultivated a little bit more whether you just have to reach up a notch and get that encouragement from yourself. Do you think that people are just hesitant of that first step? For whatever reason? Oh, absolutely, and and well said by you, uh, I think it's environmental. I came from a working class neighborhood. I didn't grow up alongside millionaires. I didn't grow up alongside lawyers and doctors. I grew up alongside, um, the...

...sons and daughters of longshoremen and taxi drivers, honorable professions. But they just were, you know, very much modest, high character, hardworking people, not a lot of university graduates in my midst. And so it's hard for me to distill this because I don't want anyone to think that I don't think the world of those people because these people are enormous to me. But I remember like you almost if you went to university in some parts of my neighborhood, you were different. What's that all about? Look at Look at Paul going to university because a lot of people from the university of generations that actually was the thing when I was a kid. And so you find yourself, You know, if you have the fanciest house on the street of the fanciest car on the street, you feel a little sheepish about it. Well, if you display initiative, ambition and drive, I'm not sure it's off putting. But I think you think it might be off putting because you're looking at people around you who are quite content with just going at a different pace in life, improving themselves in a different way, and so to be a super achiever. And I'm not sure I've ever was a super achiever. But to be a super achiever or to have, like world class drive and initiative can awkwardly set you apart from the crowd. So you might kind of say, I'm not gonna I'm not going to do I'm not going to be that guy. I'm not going to demonstrably try my hardest in a public way because I'm afraid that might set me different from those people. And they might not like me as much as I think they like me now. Does that make sense? Because that's kind of I think that's how it is. It leads into a question that I had for you that I wanted to ask. And it's the idea because you're not mainly in sports, obviously, if you're going to be anchoring tomorrow evening. But the idea of people branding themselves, how important do you think that is in the idea of sports? But things like LinkedIn and other sorts of social media platforms where people are trying to develop gain word of, you know, what is it? Pull in their skill sets, just get a better foundation on what it is. But to brand oneself, how important is that? You see it in sports a lot, but I've heard someone the other day or I heard somebody say It's really important for these young athletes to get a brand for themselves because they don't know how long their career is going to last. But also the idea of, you know, the taxi driver or the person working at the bakery. How important is it to build the resume and and get some sort of strong foundation so that whenever it's needed, whenever they're needed outside of the work, now that this this foundation that they're building is going to be useful to them as a resource? I think I think it's true. I think I mean, branding is a 21st century terminology that we're here now. I think it's important, for it was important in my career. It's funny. A guy had a strong background as a sports broadcaster. Look, I've achieved a lot. I don't know. I don't think that's bragging to say I don't I don't think it's even humble bragging to say I've done a lot of exciting things and travel the world as a sportscaster. I'm still a contract employee for T S M on the side. But because of the pandemic, nobody's traveling, so that work has evaporated for a year. I I guess going back to local news. I've kind of gone against Brand a little bit where I'm going to make sure people just don't see me as a sportscaster. Not that there's a lack of credibility and being a sportscaster. But if I'm anchoring SportsCenter on a Sunday night and I'm covering a murder or a union strike on a Wednesday, well, that's probably a bit a bit much for the viewers to pivot on. I mean, I can understand that there's some There's some brands going against each other there, so I've had to be very careful with my brand. Um, I don't think of it in those terms, by the way, I've never looked in the mirror and said, I need to be careful with my brand. But the reality is very careful not to cast myself to type, but at the same time I use social media like my Facebook page. I devote my Facebook page to Nova Scotia Marathon sports history. I'm obsessed with it because I think it's the best of our history around us. What does that tell you about me? It tells you that I have no other outlet in my life to do it. So I've decided to make Facebook about that. I don't want Facebook. My brand is. And this continue your earlier question about you don't want to show too much initiative or show too much of yourself. I don't want my social media to ever be me talking about myself. I want my social media to be something that I'm celebrating the accomplishments of somebody else. I take enormous pride of that, so that's my personal brand. But does that run counter intuitive to my personal brand covering local news for CTV? No, it doesn't because I'm covering what's happening in the community, and I love my community just as much as I love local sports, history, heritage and culture the way I show it in the social media. But I sort of diversify those energies a little bit, but they kind of kind of all fall into the same big tent in my mind at the...

...same time. My brand is community passion. My brand is being proud to be from here in my brand brand, having a community passion being pried from here. I think it allows me to take my work in a lot of different exciting places at work and on social media. And I think that's one of the main reasons why you've found that your home in the Maritimes is so comforting to you to be part of that community. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I've learned some things about myself. Um, I spent a long time chasing something that was, you know, you could psychoanalyze it like me traveling around for TSN for seven years, seeing some exciting things, making a good buck, wearing nice suits, flying in airplanes, thinking, not thinking of a big shot, but chasing a life that kind of has some of that attached to it. In the last two or three years, I've been reconnected with I've never lost track with these guys, but I've been more connected with the guys I grew up with. Um, you'll see me on on Facebook like Wally Martin and Donnie Jeffrey and Trent Lang. These guys are my brothers, and I have realized in the last two or three years that they're the ones who are always there for me. Mhm. Then I realized that my former school teachers in my community are the ones who always had my back and I realized the parents of the friends that I grew up with are the ones who cheer for me the loudest. I guess I always knew this, but you have to come back to it to rediscover it and rediscovering it has just reaffirmed this love of this community that I have and I would be nothing without those people. I would be absolutely nothing without those people in my life. Um, I hope they don't think I was ignoring them for years when I was off chasing something because I wasn't ignoring them. But I was kind of busy doing something else. And now that I'm back here, I'm refocused on them. And it's been a blessing that all the people in my community have been kind of waiting for me to be back around a bit more these last few years, and it's been a really nice period of rediscovery for me. If that makes sense, I just makes perfect sense. I think you I think you have underlining warning to people about my question. A moment ago, however clear it was is if you're going to brand yourself, make sure your your branding yourself within who you are not being outside of who you are and then chasing that dream. And it happens all the time. I mentioned to you in a message that I interviewed Jason Baxter and he mentioned a similar pattern in his life where he went out west and then he found home in the Maritimes. Right. And that is, I think, in my for myself to is. And you and I were mentioning this Talking about this a moment ago is I miss the Maritimes, and no matter where you're from, you know, they say your heart is where your home is. Your home is where your heart is, and I miss those things. And the reason is so you can be plugged into the community to give back to to share with other people. You know, the heartaches and the sorrows and the wonderful times that you can have. And I think you realize that. And I think it's a fair warning for other people as they go and pursue their careers and their jobs. Be careful to stay true to who you are in the things that you not only you value, but that are worth valuing. I think um, you you hit many nails on the head with that, and MM. If I was going to be self critical of myself, self critical myself would be redundant if I was going to be self critical from my career standpoint, I think because it didn't come easy to me or easily to me at early stages, I felt I had to do more to prove myself. What does that mean? Well, I went to the world. I covered the World Series 14 times through TSN. That means I missed Halloween 14 times. Did I really have to go to the World Series 14 times and missed Halloween with my kids 14 times? I mean, seriously with my not my dog. And she had been boring it. But with my son, Um, I missed anniversaries to go to the system anniversaries to go to the NHL draft NHL draft six or seven times. Did I really that I knew the pain it would cause to miss an anniversary, to be at the draft, that I have to go multiple times? No, but I was chasing something. And who was who was I trying to prove something to myself and to other people are both. Well, whatever it was I was all the while, I think a principal person, I think, a good person, I think, a person...

...who's who values his friends in his community and his generous. But I think my priorities wrote a while back and I got sucked into a career vacuum. I'm enormously grateful for the work the T S M provided me with over the years. Enormously grateful. I would do anything for these people to repay the favors. But I got lost in airports. I got lost connecting flights. I got lost chasing stuff around the world to fill my bucket, and they didn't know how to let go of it. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, you know, this is ridiculous. I'm just I mean, I need to, So I just You know, I stripped it down a little bit, and here I am now. I mean, I've been humbled along the way. I have stumbled along the way. I have succeeded along the way, and I'm probably a little embarrassed by what I chased in my life. Um, for weird psychological purposes. For a while, with this notion of success because my note, my notion of success was if I flew more and I lived far away from home more and I caught more airplanes and connected more airports and had more points staying offended. The hotels that my work my employer provided for me that somehow filled my bucket. And then after five or six years, I'm like, this isn't filling my bucket. What have I done? You know? So there is a cautionary tale. It's good that you're showing it, too, because it shows humility and it's based on your experience. I think I read your quote. I don't know where you got it, but you have a masters and falling down, but a PhD and getting back up again. And I think we need to learn that. And one not to be, you know, not to be so high on the things that we think we know. But in the reality of the difficulties that everyone faces in life and the temptations that are along the way, and a lot of people are in this boat, do you have some advice for people thinking of you and your paper rode as a kid or changing your career? a couple of jobs here and there and even most recently over the last three years coming back to home. Do you have some advice for people who are getting into work or changing their career? I guess Be multiple, multiple feelings of advice. You know the notions of Be careful what you wish for And the grass may seem greener on the other side of the street. Whatever the expression is, those are real things. You you may, when you think you take it from me when you think you need a career job, you might need a month vacation. You might not need to change your career. You might not need a career switch of a job. You may need a break from your job when you're fed up with a co worker or you're mad at your boss. You may need a good nap, a big glass of water and a meal, because if you like me, I'm like a baby. If I don't sleep or eat, I cry. It's as simple as that. We all have that in this. And how many times have I lost my temper? I've been really mattered. I don't lose my temper in a public way. But sometimes I'm alone in the car. I'm just steaming mad and I said, Well, wait a minute now. I haven't slept in three days. I didn't drink any water today. I skipped lunch and this guy was a jump to me. At least I think he was a jump because it's probably just a perceived slight. I feel like changing jobs and not working. I'm going to show him I'm going to get a new job and not work there anymore. Well, how stupid is that? It's not productive, whereas, and by the way, I never really flew off the handle in life. I've never done those things, but I've had those moments where I felt like I felt like reacting in a certain way, where all I needed was probably a couple of mental health days, a leader of water and 28 hour sleeps. And then I could really recalibrate things and not jump the gun and make a move that was counterproductive. So many people, probably if I have a piece of advice to give its that, just slow down and take a deep breath, Um, and I'll tell you another another way to answer this when it comes to device. I've given this next answer a lot of thought and I tell this to people all the time. I've worked very hard to take ego out of my life. We all have ego. We all have ego. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not blind to that. But ego can destroy you. Ego can make you chippy. Ego leads you to be rude to people at the drive thru who are just trying to do their job and they don't mean to mess up your order. Ego can have you be supersensitive in situations that don't require you to be supersensitive that are worthy of it. Ego can allow you to destroy relationships and ego can allow you to change your focus. From what? You what you should be focused on. I'm sitting here in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. My focus is this. I want my wife to love me. I want my kids to love me and I want to pay the mortgage every two weeks. And I hope there's a few bucks left over to take my wife to a movie once a month during non pandemic times. If I have that. I'm cool. And the gang?...

I didn't always have those priorities, and I think ego got in the way of it. So I worked very hard to remove that obstacle. And I'm talking the bad side of ego. We all have ego that helps us thrive and achieve. But ego can destroy you. Yeah, it's great advice for people and work, and we often get sidetracked. And for me, you mentioned a couple of days rest or sometimes it's just a nap. Just a five minute for me. I like now, but, like, a five minute just and it changes my perspective almost every day that I take a nap like, Oh, I mean, I have a pretty easy life out here in South Korea's, uh, English professor. Hours or minimal vacation is plentiful, but sometimes, like uh huh, look where I am. Look what I'm doing. How long have you been doing this? And take a nap? My life is pretty good, but sometimes we just need to take those breaks and get a better perspective. And, you know, as you mentioned about those jobs like these are the things you could be doing these things you might not be doing. These are things other people are doing, and people have a little bit harder than us. And if we keep our level keel, we won't be so quick to fly off the handle, do you? I took professional to professional counseling from a woman. Her name is Michelle Fitzgerald. She works at, um, I believe Robertson. Cigarette at the employee agency, HR firm and Halifax. She's she's she's exceptional. And when you take professional counseling like it teaches you to be a better employee, a better manager of people, a better leader. Yeah, I didn't know this. You enter into an arena where she holds the mirror up to you and in a very productive way, confronts you with your faults and your shortcomings. You're listening skills, communication skills, your sense of humanity, your sense of humility. Um, it was so enormously helpful. I carry I went to about 10 sessions with her, and I carry it with me every day. The lessons learned from her because I wish I had her at my side in high school. I wish I had Seriously, I wish I was taking, like, intermediate level instruction from her. All the way through life because my parents are good people, and I'm not criticizing it, but they weren't equipped to prepare me for professional life. My professors did not prepare me for professional life and to be my wife was trying to find her. And to be fair, I'm not prepared to get my Children ready for professional life. No, we're not. HR, not HR consultants. And I mean and then we all have varying degrees of social maturity. Um, I'm very socially mature in some ways and probably very lacking in other ways. And so having that kind of guidance and supervision from her was so helpful, I carry it with me every day. There was one thing she she focused on the 40 60 rule. Uh, talk for 40. Listen, for 60. I was like, Well, that seems pretty simple. And she said, Challenge yourself for the next two weeks until our next appointment. Focus on this. I was talking 90 10. I was talking over people. I was blowing them away. I had nervous banter. Um, I was appalled that the person I was I was like, Wow, I'm on a good day. I'm 75 25 And then I said to myself, Well, wait a minute now. I left CTV in 2013 after 18 years because I was frustrated professionally. These are good people, not criticizing my former employer employer for the first time I was there, but I felt I had outgrown the place. I felt it was time for a new challenge. Well, after talking to her, I'll be honest with you. I came to the conclusion I left for all the wrong reasons. I just was. I just was in a period in my life where I was being a little bit of mature, a little bit supersensitive, a little bit frustrated over things that probably didn't require frustration, and I left. Um, it wasn't a mistake, but I bet you had. I've been seeing her professionally. With her guidance, I may have come to a different, different decision in life. Isn't it fascinating, But that's where I was in. The growth arc in 2013 was different from where I was in 2018 because I probably wouldn't have listened to her years earlier, but that's where I was at that point. 60 40 is a big difference 50 fifty's You think he got it, but 65 10%? Yeah, and I Listen, I tell you, I listened every day with people who like you and I in this conversation, you'll ask a question. I'll answer a couple of times because of the delay we stepped on each other. But for the most part, we're going back and forth. That's probably what people know. That's me. That's me, too. Me, too. Me too. But I talked to people every day now and I'm going, Oh, 60 40 40 60. We're not I There are people who just you want to say to them, I'm sorry for we're talking every time...

...you try to interrupt me because the kids keep talking and talking. But that's but But you learn, you learn a lot to get perspective on it. Mhm so funny when you're trying to interrupt me, it's a little a little funny thing, but it's true, though it's totally true. And this and this and this isn't to be personally critical of anybody. I'm actually using the story to hold the mirror up to me because it allowed me to see my shortcomings and it made me request. It made me re question over and over again some of my previous decisions. And the reality is, and this comes back to the cautionary tale part, um, any level of success or achievement I had in my life. It was probably modest success and modest achievement. I'm not overstating that. I probably had some maturity ratios were a bit off at certain times in my life, and I needed some work on that and once identified that. I think it's made me a better professional, a better employee, a better person about a human being, and I like better the person I am in my work life now. Then I did in previous iterations of my work life. It's funny to hear that you have difficulty with this, because with this podcast, I'm learning very slowly, uh, to listen rather than be ready for my next question. So it's interesting to hear that you struggled with this and and that's hope for everyone, because this is a different type of experience that you have than other people. Most people are not the interviewing or in the camera, and there's a whole bunch of stuff you have to wait and be silent for and listen. And if you are having difficulty with this and you know from my small part of having difficulty with my experience, it shows other people, it's understandable that you would have difficulty with this as well. So I'm glad you're saying that it is not easy to listen. No, it is. It is a real discipline. Um, and it's going to continue to work on two. And But, you know, um, I wouldn't change a thing in my life because it brought me to restate a previous statement I made. It brought me to where I am now. But if I'm most proud of myself in a professional setting which has bled into my personal life, I have challenged myself in recent years to improve. I've challenged myself to be a more considerate person. Um, you know, I just try. You try to be a better person. You try to be a better version of yourself. I'm not ashamed of anything I was before, but I can go back and identify some pretty glaring examples of where self improvement was required. And I was probably too obtuse at the time to pick up on and make the adjustments. Maybe it's a challenging oneself, but do you have any encouragement for people who go through difficulties? Adversity with their work, uncertain about their career, uncertain about their future, where they might want things I know for a goal for you is your family, and that's a great goal. Not all people have those priorities set up. Do you have some advice for people that, for whatever reasons, are maybe a little distraught, maybe depressed? Maybe just uncertain about their future and not sure how things are going to turn out? Well, first of all, cut yourself a break. Um, don't be too hard on yourself. I have been hard on myself. Um, there's the Plan A and Plan B. Have a Plan C and A Plan D and A Plan B and plan Out plans. Said, um, don't limit yourself. I have a friend of mine who is a public relations degree who is now a manager of a bank. I have a friend of mine who is an English teacher by trade who is a regional vice president for a major sports sporting goods company basically selling sporting goods in the trunk of his car. Um, I guarantee when he was studying education, he never thought he'd be selling swag. I guarantee when she was doing a co op work term at the Mount Saint Vincent University public relations to school, she never see herself in a bank manager with no financial background. So somebody so But just just do not limit yourself to this. Look, I'm I'm 51 years old. I'm proud of the work I do at CTV. I'm actually very proud of it. I think I think professionally, I'm I'm in a really good place. I think I'm a good guy professional these days. And I think I'm doing a good job of being a good citizen from my employer, and I'm grateful for them. You know what? I can be a fireman in two years. I have two university degrees that can be a substitute teacher. If I stumble and fall, I could I have no idea what the future holds. But I'm not going to live with myself, even at my age, to plan a or Plan B or plan C. No, no, no. Be geared for achievement. Be open to ideas. Don't be discouraged. And make sure you work. If you want to get a job as the play by play man for the Montreal Canadians. Well, guess what.

You might have to work at Costco from midnight to eight in the morning, 40 hours a week to get a paycheck and conquer that opportunity to even have a chance at that. Another opportunity. You want to get a job in television as an anchor or broadcaster, You may have to go work at a radio station report. Huckleberry or not, you need to be open open to adjustments. Um, you know, like I know a guy who went to Fort Kent in Maine and get an education degree, and you got a job as a landscaper in Fort Kent. One summary still lives there, running a landscaping company. He's got an education degree, and he's got a house nice in the mind and two cars in the driveway. Probably nicer than mine. And he's achieving. I mean, he was. He was open to adjustment, so don't don't limit yourself. And another thing, too, is identify the identify the landscape in front of you like media today. You mentioned social media earlier. All the platforms out there there are newscast on Snapchat these days. There are entire broadcast news shows on Instagram. The digital universe is exploding, so make sure that if you are and I'm not suggesting someone in the Maritimes growing up to want to be like Paul Hollingsworth. But if somebody out there is 19 years old and they're looking at my work and they say I wouldn't mind doing up all those well, you might not get to your The version of me 20 years from now might be an online digital version that doesn't even exist yet, and that person is going to have to find a way to get there. And I'm the last person to help them because this career is morphing before my very eyes. This industry is morphing before my very eyes, so don't limit yourself to one. It's two plans. Be open to suggestions and make sure you work, work, work, work. If I lost my job tomorrow, um, first of all, I would have to work because I'm at a stage in my life where I'm just not ready to retire. I'd have to I have bills to pay. I would sell shoes in Spring Garden road. I would work at Costco Canadian Tire, you name it. I would make popcorn at the movie theater, and I'm not even grossly exaggerating that are not even remotely exaggerating that. And I'm certainly not grossly exaggerating. I would do whatever I have to do to make money because I know working every day and being productive, build something inside of me and it positions me for achievement. I don't think that's unique to me. Sitting at home waiting for an opportunity to come that might not come is destructive. So get out there, make sure you make sure you keep working and keep going in the right direction. And that's my friend Steve Murphy will say it's one thing to be in the right place at the right time, but in order to be in the right place at the right time, you've got to be in the right place. So if you want to have a successful career in your life, you might want to start by getting a job. You know that's not having a job is the first step towards having a better job. They're not going to give you the wicked good job when you're unemployed, you're going to build up to it slowly. I have experienced lots of people. I was a resident manager and Halifax and lots of international people looking for jobs specific to their education and only wanting to get that particular job like No, no, no, no, Just go get a job. Start there, start there. You know, if you go to ST Mary's University, one of my best friends works at ST Mary's, and he's got a level of expertise when it comes to student placement student employment, counseling them towards better, better opportunities in life. He was telling me. He was telling me recently, and I'm paraphrasing him. But the banks are coming to the university, and they're scooping up our students because they're looking for aptitudes and achievers and life skills and transferrable life skills and personality traits. As much as they're looking for the accounting major, who's going to be an account like you? You get a bachelor of arts in English at ST Mary's University. You might wind up being the regional rep for Molson Breweries. I'm making that up, but the point of the matter is that's what those people are looking for now they're not looking. You're not. If you get a job as an accountant degree and you're only applying to accounting firms, you're probably selling yourself short. I don't say probably you are selling yourself short, and you're probably not painting a realistic picture of the opportunities that you should be chasing out there. I think it's encouraging for people who do not know what they're doing. They maybe have a piece of paper from a university or they're thinking of some other field that there's lots of opportunity for them. If they're just willing to put that effort in. Paul, I only have one more question for you. Besides, how can people get in touch with you? Besides finding you on TV each day? I think I'm on. I'm on Facebook. Um and, uh, you can, um, I'm on Twitter at Paul H. Reporter, one on Twitter. And as you know, I'm on Facebook. You can always...

...find me on Facebook and they can find me on the news, of course, and you might find me at a local Starbucks in Halifax getting a coffee because I guzzle copious amounts of coffee on a daily basis. But I'm just I'm at a stage in my life where I'm just I'm around town and I think I think I'm approachable. We all have shy streaks that we work on, so I have a little bit of that in the public. But for the most part, I think I'm unapproachable guy and people, if you if you follow my social media on Facebook, I think I engaged when people engage with me, Um, and I encourage people to to reach out and connect and ask the other questions they want. Perfect. Paul. One final question and that is why do you work? I work because I grew up in a household where we did not have a lot of money at some stages of my life, and I was very young. And I don't take for granted fact that I've been giving an opportunity to achieve and do things professionally in this life that I'm blessed to have, but the opportunities I have I'm not afforded to some other people with who aren't as blessed. So I work to take full advantage of the opportunities that are in front of me pushing aside the financial part. We work to make money that. That's the easy answer. But I work to take advantage of the opportunities, keenly aware of the fact that a lot of people before me were not as blessed as I am. Paul Hollingsworth, Bell media employee, reporter and author. Thank you for your time, and I and I appreciate the work that you do. Thank you very much. And, uh, please invite me to come back sometime because I enjoyed it. I like I like to do it again. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian Wien. Be sure to subscribe, Follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive yet joyful day in your work.

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