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Episode 122 · 1 year ago

#122 Max Field - Director & Cinematographer & YouTuber -BrianVee WhyWeWork

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Max Field is a director, cinematographer, author, sound designer, screen writer, and into audio editing and mixing and music. Max also has a sizeable YouTube following who love his creative genius. Max will be directing a feature film, or ten, over the next several years.

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...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. I have the great pleasure speaking with Maxfield, also known as S B N three Soul brother Number three Max is a director cinematographer. He's into sound. He has much talent. He's an influential youtuber. But today I want to find out from Max, knowing that he wants to direct his own feature film. What is he doing? What is the process to reach that goal, to reach that dream and what he's actively doing each day to achieve it? Join me today in my conversation with Maxfield Spn three. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. I had the great pleasure speaking with Maxfield a k a s B N three Good day. Find sir. How you doing? I'm doing doing well, Max. Will you do his favor? And you and I were just speaking. You just mentioned it. But tell us the industry that you're in and what you're up to nowadays. And even though there's a covid going on, maybe what you would normally be doing if this wasn't the case? Generally, what I do is I work in the entertainment industry. Sometimes the video production industry I produce, uh, commercials, infomercials, documentaries. Uh, just got my first directed documentary distributed on Amazon Prime earlier this year or no last year. Um, but then, uh, I sort of like half my income is my own self produced works which have gotten a fan base of, you know, a few 1000 people. Uh, I mean, yeah, it's sort of it's a lot of everything, but I just say entertainment industry, because that's just like, nice blanket term. But, you know, I do a bit of the creative end, and I also do a lot of the audio video technical end as well, which, as I've sort of spoken with more and more people who know that a V technical lend somebody who also writes and directs that you know both of those together aren't super common. So I sort of fill the niche where I take care of everything for a company or a client. There's no doubt that you're talented and I'd like to get into that. But can you bring us back Max to maybe what would have been your very first job ever as a as a pre teen or teenager? Uh, first job ever. See, that's the thing is that I started. I started super early. I started at 17 years old, and so, you know, I didn't really I didn't grow up in a rough enough situation where I had to, like, get a job as like a 16 year old. So I immediately went into, uh, just immediately went into video production and and just, you know, at first, like, you know, for the first year, kind of not really taking it too seriously, uploading whenever I felt like it, you know, trying to meet people emailing every now and then. But, uh, I mean, as far in regards to to manual labor and stuff like that, because I started so early and and I tried so hard so early because I didn't want a manual labor job. I've never had one of those manual labor jobs in terms of wages, McDonald's and all that, and within a couple years by, you know, and I was only able to do that because I was a teenager with no responsibilities. You know, I didn't, You know, 18 19 didn't have school or I did college for a semester, and I dropped out because they were teaching me about video production at all. So I had to find that education myself. And so I went after all that, And, um but yeah, by my early, I would say by, like, maybe 20 or 21. So it took a couple of years for sure, but by 20 or 21. And also I had the privilege of of not needing a job as well, and that's something a lot of people don't mention. But by 20 or 21 I was probably making more than a job at McDonald's would have gotten me, which, with a high school degree, that's all you can really get nowadays. So, uh, I was like, Well, okay, I'm already doing this. I didn't want to spend money on all that college because I was seeing how expensive it was, even community college, how expensive it was in comparison to what I was actually learning pertaining to what I wanted to do in life. So, um so, yeah, that's sort of that's sort of how I started off, and YouTube was a huge part of that. You mentioned the idea of not having to work having the privilege not to work. But I think there's You may agree or disagree, but the idea of...

...having Children work at 12, whatever, I mean the legal age. But some people do a lemonade stand or sell cards or do a bunch of things. There's also some value in that, regardless of whether you're able to do it or you need to do it or you don't need to do it, Would you agree with that, like having kids start to work and understand that the value of a dollar, what it you know, work ethic and all that comes with it? So actually, well, then, when you put it that way, in that case, I guess I was working and doing other things as early as maybe 14. Where a big way. I made money. Still not really working, but a big way I made money was, uh and this was before video game collecting was huge, you know, after, like, 2014, it kind of boomed, but, uh, you know, Oh, 9, 2010. I would, uh I would go up to kids in school and, you know, like the old Nintendo 60 four's and stuff like that, I go up to them and I'd be, you know, and these kids, you know, they want money for pot or whatever. So I go up to him and I'm like, Hey, uh, you got in 64 with all the games. I'll give you 20 bucks for it. And there, you know, they would, like, try to, like, you know, finance people like 25. I'm like, Okay, 25. And so they show up with a duffel bag and 60 for 10 games. I flip that for $100 on eBay, and so that's great. Like, that's what this is, right. That's what this is the idea of what starts you, what gets you going. And some people think, Oh, my, my professional career job. It wasn't until I was 25 that I started. No. What was the thing that started you when you were a kid? And what really got your juices flowing? Yeah, I mean, so it's weird. It's the concept of Of I mean, how do I put it? The concept of, like, you said the value of a dollar that was that wasn't still, uh, since maybe 11. Because, uh, my dad would always show me he had a couple of basketball cards and baseball cards, and he showed me and they were in the top loader. You know, the hard plastic, Uh, and that's another thing I do are like, So, for instance, I got one right here, like you see how the card is in the hard plastic there, so yeah, Penny sleeve. Yeah. And so, like, this is probably, like, maybe 2000 and four. My dad showing me this, uh, and and he was like, Oh, yeah, this is worth a lot of money, you know, because I kept it, you know? And the reality is that it was it was a Michael Jordan basic card, not a rookie, not auto. Not not anything so it was worth like a dollar. But, you know, like you sort of get tricked into it. And then, you know, as a kid, I guess the first like thing I went into in terms of money and looking at price guides and all that was basketball cards. You get the Beckett basketball magazine, uh, and then, like you know, you get into Ugo and then all the money flip there. And so it was a lot of I mean, I'll be honest. It was a lot of not manual labor. The only time I really got into manual labor was when I realized I needed to light properly to make good looking images. And then so you get into all the heavy equipment, the one k tungsten, the you know, the stuff that you'd see on like a real cinema sets. So it's It's weird. I, you know, I sort of was able to get. This is why it's strange is like some people would would look at that as like a very, you know, illustrious privileged lifestyle and all this and, you know, to an extent, yeah, okay. But I had plenty of friends and I knew plenty of people growing up who were 18 19. No job not doing anything but playing video games all day. And they had the exact same time frame that I had to do what I set out to do. So you know it. It could go a million different ways, but no, just the concept of of not showing up not, you know, waking up hitting the alarm clock at eight in the morning and you grow ogling every day to to work or school or whatever. Like, I wanted to avoid that so much. I had crippling insomnia, and I missed probably 70 days, one year of high school, and then the next year it was like, you know, another 65 60. And so, like I saw, It's not that I thought I was above a regular job, but I thought I couldn't do it. I thought, like I didn't have the body do because, like, what job is going to keep a guy who misses 60 days, they're gonna fire your ass, you know? So I had to I had to make a living based around, you know? Okay, I'll work a lot like I was I was willing to work a lot, but I couldn't control when I would wake up or go to sleep because of that insomnia. And I couldn't have access to sleeping pills too young for that. You know, now I can. But, uh, you know, it's it's stuff like that, Um, where, you know, that's sort of how life works. You know, little quirks in your life sort of put you in the path you're on today. There's a I was reading something the other day, and it's some sort of path that I think I appreciate the idea of just wondering how the school system works, the value in it and what they've been doing compared to what has been done years ago. And I was reading someone, and you just mentioned the value in playing,...

...which is obvious. But it's not always obvious, say, in a classroom, and allowing kids to play and kids get so busy. I live here in South Korea, where even my own Children tend to fall on more of the work side of things, and it is in play because they have school. Then they have after school academies, then they have homework and then it's like, where do we squeeze in playtime as a kid? Is there some sort of thing that you enjoy doing? Was it just video games as it, like, maybe say 7 to 12 or something? Was there something that you played at a lot that you really enjoyed something that you recall 7 to 12? I mean, I was super into basketball. Um, you know, because I was one of the taller kids. I'm 63 now, Um, and so I went to a lot of camps, like, every summer. I went to a basketball camp for like, about a month. Um, and so yeah. So basketball idolizing, you know, You know Michael Jordan. I'm from D. C. So? So the guy in that icon is Gilbert Arenas. And so that was you know, Washington, D C. Hasn't had a sports star like that in 15 years. So that's why I haven't changed it. So because, you know, and it was special about Gilbert Arenas is that he wasn't drafted and forced to play there. He signed to us, you know? So it was like that thing of like, wow, somebody actually chose to be in Washington d C because that's where I'm from the D C Beltway area. And so and so it was. It was one of those things where I guess that's where you initially learn about work ethic and practice and stuff like that. Maybe where you see, you know, the stories of Kobe Bryant? Uh and I thought the one silver lining of when Kobe Bryant died in the plane or no, the helicopter accident was would you know, the average person outside of a basketball fan would start looking into this guy and how amazing he was And like the level of preparation that went into everything he did. And unfortunately, that didn't really happen. Uh, you know, people still, you know, like the average girl or the average guy who likes video games? Oh, he was a good basketball player or whatever, but, uh, you know, so and that's and I think that's what separated me amongst other film people and art people and stuff like that is that in the film and then the arts, they don't talk about, you know, working back to back 14 hour nights up till four AM But in sports they talk about that all the time they talk about, you know, grinding your body through this stuff and working when sick and, you know, working, you know, regardless of the condition. You know, you know a guy again like Kobe Bryant. This is a guy who's who's having muscle spasms in his back, and that would cripple any other person. And he goes out there to play because there's another good player on the other team and he's like, Oh, it's gonna look really bad if I don't, You know, And and these guys are partially psychotic. Uh, you know, they're They're not like all the screws aren't there, but at the same time, like that's sometimes being crazy is what enables you to be great, you know, like and so one of my fascinations moving on it started with, you know, you know, Kobe and Jordan and guys like that and then moved on to Penn and Teller to um Oh, my God. To Tiger Woods to, uh, let's see who was another one. Damn, this is gonna kill me. Michael Jackson. Oh, my God. Michael Jackson. You know, uh, and moved on to these guys and you would see a lot of similarities in the preparation they did in the creative divergence they had. Um, but yeah, I'm not sure if that answers the question or just it does where you play. No, no, no. It's not at all where you played and and your motivation and basketball and seeing in these individuals their work ethic, which isn't always at the forefront of people's minds when they think of that particular craft. So when you started to get into audio and video, when did you I know you went to college for Took a few credits When you realized that wasn't for you, when did you realize this was for you and that you were getting some traction? Was there You gotta pay day one day was that you got to, like on a video. How did that transpire for you? So it's weird. Um, okay, so I mean, I was trying to make because I saw YouTube and I saw that other people were making short films and stuff like that. You know, guys like like make me bad. 35 Like he's a throwback for anybody who was around back then, but he was like, Oh, eight YouTube, you know, and and that's the kind of that's the part of YouTube that I really romanticized. Uh, and so you would see these guys make little comedy skits. And so when I was, like 13, that's when I first got a YouTube summer of 2000 and seven. I was, you know, I was trying to make you know, a bunch of shorts with friends and stuff like that, and so that was like the initial sort of okay, shooting, editing. You don't care about exposure. You don't care about framing. You don't care about what's this shot means you don't care about. Oh, is this script going to pay off later? You're just literally just trying to be funny with a camera. And so it's It's kind of you can make stuff very quick like that, and you know, you're able to just get something out on weekend and it's all good. Um, and then a couple years later, I kind of, you know, I kind of lost interest in it. I would still play around, but I wasn't really doing as much as I did when I was in middle school, and then, um and...

...then one day I was in. I think it was a marketing class senior year. So So this is what, like maybe three or four years later, and they're like, Oh, everybody has to a movie trailer. And so, uh, you know, like everyone else, you know, marketing is, like, kind of a big slack off class, like nobody really cares. And so, uh, everyone's like, Oh, I don't know. And there's something in me I was like, Okay, I'll do it because no one else is gonna fucking do it. So the, uh so I I do it, we shoot it, I go home, I take in the edit it because I had, like, real editing software because, you know, back in middle school, So I take it edited every other kids thing is trash. And I was the only person who actually showed up with, like, something that really resemble the movie trailer. And so, you know, you know, like, I didn't really care about 17 like I was so disinterested in everything you know, depression, all this and so I I specifically remember the marketing teacher was like, He's like, Do you do videos like, is that what you do like Is that what you want to do? Like for money? And I looked and I said, I'll do anything for money, so, you know, and so they were like, Oh, you shouldn't say that. But so, you know, So that's that's when I saw What's that? But you mean they're saying you shouldn't say that, but But seriously, I will do whatever, but But now So, uh, so, you know, I sort of took that. And then, uh, it just got to a point where, you know, it's it's one of those things where, uh, okay, every kid is just sort of brainwashed into thinking. Oh, well, you need to go to college. And so I'm 18 now, And I'm like, Okay, I guess I'll do the media degree. Like like I don't know. You know, my dad didn't really care. Like what? He's just going to college. So So I do that. And that mentality is screwing over so many kids today, at least in America. And I don't know how Korea is, Um, but so Okay, so, uh, but yeah. No, No. So let's see. Yeah. So I'm doing that, And, uh, that's sort of how a transition uh, I remember there was there was a gap. Um, it was between semesters. It was between the winter and spring semester. And, you know, it was just after the spring semester, and I finished math, and I I got another C. I had probably a 2.5 in college after three college credits. And, um, you know, I and I wasn't gonna start again until, you know, September or whenever the new semester started. So it's 2013. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna really take this YouTube thing seriously. And it was a little like, one day I just woke up in bed like March 2013. I was like, I'm like, Dude, if I don't do something, I'm going to turn into, like, one of these other losers I see on the Internet all day. So you know, So I'm literally producing two shorts a week every week. It's like 100 to 110 hours a week, not a single day off. Nothing. And I'm just working for purpose. I'm just trying to see if I can get something to happen because you come to that crossroads where it's like a lot of people go through this thing. I think it's interesting a lot. Most people have this thing where they're like, Oh, well, me and a year. We'll figure it out. You know me. In 10 years, we'll figure it out, you know, And people, they sort of, like, you know, stumble through life like that. Um, and, you know, I made the decision that, like, 18.5 where I was like, I'm not going to be the guy who just stumbles into it. I'm just gonna do it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna try. And so but yeah, I probably produced man. I probably produced, like, 60 videos, like, you know, written, edited, shot directed videos in in a year. And, you know, the sub count went from, you know, maybe it wasn't so big at first. It was It was, You know, the sub count was maybe 2000 subs, too. I don't know, like, 4000. That's it, you know, But which is big for some, But in terms of making money off YouTube, that's nothing. And so But I guess, like that's sort of the thing is like when you're really, really trying at something, you know, And when I teach workshops on YouTube marketing, what I tell people is it's not like, Oh, you do this, this and that it will happen. You got to consistently produce for 2 to 3 years and you are guaranteed to see some sort of movement. You are guaranteed to have routine following and stuff like that. But a lot of people can't get over that hump. And again, the only reason I was able to do that there's people with jobs, people with responsibilities, people with families. The only reason. The only reason I could do that. I was a kid with no responsibilities, and and I saw, and I saw that I was able to do it. I didn't quit on it. I kept doing it. And then by the time it was time to, you know, re enroll for some credits in college was like, Screw that. I'm done And so and that was probably like, you know, September, October after I produced maybe 30 videos and you know so so that's sort of that's sort of how it goes. But but it's a risk. It's a massive risk and, you know, for for a...

...good like three years, there was such anxiety over like, did I make the right decision? And after you get over that hump where you start seeing some of the dollars rolling, you're like, Oh, thank God I didn't go in debt for that. Thank God. You know, college or whatever. And then I was also realizing, as I learned more and more, and I started taking workshops where I started teaching workshops. Um, where college is, How do I put it? Where college students, sometimes Yale graduates, Ivy league graduates were showing up to learn about how to write a joke. How to, you know, shoot. Uh, you know, this shot I would go over stuff like my professor didn't talk about this at all. They just talked about missing son, and they talked about all this shit that nobody cares about. Uh, if you're actually trying to work on a film set on a film set, they want people. They want electricians. They want people who can move heavy things. They want the guy who can light. They want the guy who can, you know, uh, you know, accurately focus the lens, you know, using the measurements and all that stuff. That's what they want. They don't want Mr Creative. You know, that's and what I'm what I'm alluding to are the blue collar jobs of cinema. Not the writer, not the director, not the producer. The guy moving the light, the guy who knows how to organize all that stuff. That's the majority of the jobs people are looking for, uh, in cinema, but also, you know, but so I see that these these kids showing up, they don't know, You know, like I'm teaching all these things that Professor didn't teach. I did a video on a d r. And how that goes, I'm getting I'm getting d end. Uh, universities are Arizona State University. Uh, that was one specific, which is the highest attendance in the entire country. They're playing my video in their media classes. So, you know, and that was Thank you. So So. 2017 2018. That's what I realized. Just me doing whatever like me, like grinding by myself not, you know, waiting for someone else's curriculum. I have you know, I have surpassed what is required of a degree just on my own. But that happened because of constant insecurity that happened because, you know, even now, like like are are you like, Oh, you're an expert. I still I still don't think I'm an expert because you always have to surround yourself with people way better than you, or else you're never gonna get better. You know, that's kind of how it goes. Well, I said this to you before we started. You speak so clearly and listening to that the video that you just mentioned and any of your other ones you on there you sound like a wise old man, right? Just bring in truth to people that is applicable to this industry, right? And if people are not in the industry, you may not be interested, but you may enjoy your movies, which you're funny, right? You're writing this stuff as well. You you like, you have this ability to write, to speak, to present, and obviously with your editing and all that goes in behind the scenes, as as you mentioned about a basketball player or singers or whatever. There's a lot of work that you put into it. So you are and and for you to be What are you? 26 20 26 right to be 26. Like I said to you a while ago, I'm an I was an idiot. I still am an idiot. But I was an idiot at 26 for you to be thinking like I got to put in this time because I don't have this responsibility. I don't have those things to do. And I'm going to do this now while I can, right? Like there is a saying, I think, you know, put in while the I don't know that it's not raining or whatever it is. What I say is what I say is, uh if you don't do it now, it'll never happen. That's what I say and that works. I like it right, and that's what you're doing. And so I commend you for what you're doing. And so I heard you say that your your dream, your goal. You may not have used dreamer goal, but your aspiration is to direct your own feature film. Would that be accurate to an extent? And I do it here and there little bits like I'm producing a video game right now. That's the length of two feature films. Um, but it's still not, You know, it's not that shooting, you know. It's not, you know, it's it's not what I want to do, which is, you know, like the classic American film, like I want to make you know, I want to make the next not even, like, not even like Citizen Kane. Like like I'm not really into that stuff like I'm into, like Josie and the Pussycats that came out in 2000 and one. I love that movie. You know, I like not another teen movie like I like I like all this stuff that was on Comedy Central that everyone said, Oh, yeah, it sucks. But me and my friends we watch and we're like, dude, this great, you know, like, um and you know, like, you know, like Kevin Smith movies and Spike Lee movies, you know, stuff like that, Like that. Sort of the stuff I'm into. So, what does this look like for you? What does this look like for you to be where you are now and and to be young to, you know, you're you're exercising your...

...working out on the side. You're doing all that you need to do to gain that experience to gain the knowledge. You say you're not an expert, but you're you're striving to be. What does that process look like for you to get to the opportunity to direct your own feature film? And what are you doing to attain that, uh, talking with an investor in Singapore right now, I might get some good money to do animated pilot, um, doing animations. Okay, because I sure as hell there's no way we can get the money together to do a live action pilot, because I was just God, there's too much money and too much organizing in hotels and all that, but, you know, through doing that work, you know, it got my talents out there, And so you would meet people who would meet you through the YouTube. One time I did an animated pilot for someone that paid, you know, a couple $1000. They put it up wherever they were trying to shop at the Netflix. Um, you know, But the reality is is that, uh, every everybody needs a big break. Everybody needs a lucky break, You know that? That's just kind of how it goes. And, uh, you're you're waiting for that one right connection. You know, you have a network of people. If one of them gets a TV deal, I know that they're going to call me to do audio. I know that they're going to call me to write jokes. They might call me to act, you know, And so that's a big thing. Like creating this this tightly woven web of people. Um, you know, to see, you know, Okay, if one of us take off, we're all gonna take off, and, you know, it's sort of, but but yeah, I mean, the reality is is that unless unless someone comes through and, you know, gives a blank cheque or someone comes through and says, Hey, I spotted this and I want to put you on unless somebody says that I I am never going to be the star. People think this work ethic would lead to, um and that's that's the unfortunate reality. Um, and so, like, I'm first generation entertainment. I don't I didn't have a single connection in any of this when I started, and so, uh, you know, So that's that's kind of the thing. Nepotism has only works for me. One time. Uh, and that was doing an infomercial where I was underpaid, uh, to go all the way up to New Hampshire to, uh, you know, do an infomercial for, uh, and uncles geology company. But that's, you know, that that's that's pretty much the only time nepotism really worked for me. And so, you know, you kind of develop a thing against second generation entertainment people. You know, You see, people talk about how talented Billy relishes or whoever, and I'm like, Dude, like her whole family is in the music industry. I could have easily done that. You know, I Dude, if you know, if if my dad was Howard Stern, I would have been the next Howard Stern. You know, like that's just that's just kind of how it goes. Um, and so but no, But you really respect the first generation entertainment people. You really respect Kevin Smith, who maxed out three credit cards to get 27,000 to produce his first feature. You know, I'm that game I mentioned earlier. I'm probably, you know, 10 12,000 in the hole for that. And, uh, you know, I'm I'm just trying to make it happen. But, you know, you gotta be. You gotta be smart with money, you know, you can't. You can't waste it on, You know, a new car. You can't waste it on. You know, anything there is a while. I mean, I buy a lot of memorabilia and stuff like that, as you might have seen in some of the videos. Um, but there was there was a three year stretch where I barely spent any money. I didn't buy new clothes. I didn't buy anything for leisure at all. Uh, and I didn't I didn't start, you know, spending anything until I was making you know, you know, not well into the five figures, Let's say and so, um, you know, but But that's just that's the unfortunate thing that that everyone has to know. Going into it is that, you know, your talent might lead to a connection, But you gotta understand you're not gonna pop off like like a superstar. You're not gonna pop off until the machine is behind you And a lot of your videos. You have things that have personal meaning to you that other people would not really understand unless they knew you better I see you have KFC chicken in there a lot. Is this a personal faith? Is I saw it with your your Fred and Bernie The bucket? Um, no. I mean, that was just the thing. I mean, I prefer Popeye's more. I love Popeyes. Have you ever tried Korean Chicken? Do you have that? Not in your area. I'm sorry. Oh, no, no, no. Korean Fried Chicken chicken is delicious. Just so you know, they do a hot sauce. It's delicious. I am a very lower middle class, American raised sort of kid. My palate is very American. Uh, the only East Asian food I can eat is Sarko Japan in the food court. That's all I can do. I'm sorry. I know Korean chicken,...

Korean chicken. They kind of stole the idea from North America. So it's not. It's not like Asian chicken. It's like spicy, crispy. And I think it gives a good run for the money to any other chicken play. In my personal opinion, do you have a script that you if someone offers you one day, maybe maybe give a try? It's delicious. Believe me, I've lived in Korea for 11 years. They have some pretty delicious food. Um, but also some food that I stay away very far away from. But the chicken is just It's a fried fried chicken would become spicy or soy sauce. Uh, do you have a script that you that you have prepared and ready for an opportunity for a feature film for a pilot? Yes, for a feature film? No, uh, one of the dub feature thing that I made taste closed. So it's an hour long. One of the one of the things I did when writing that was I avoided because it was footage used from something else. But what I avoided, I avoided any character referring to each other by name. And so I have all the audio and all the writing done for a project. And so if somebody came along, I could technically produced that the right way. I can produce that the right way and have, uh, you know, completely free of copyright. You know, somebody says, Oh, I'll put up, you know, 250,000 to get this animated. That's technically my first feature. Um, you know not, you know, legit like I can. I can sell that to somebody I can distribute on Netflix. Um, I have to pay for about 10 songs to be licensed to with that audio, but, uh, you know, But then I have a pilot script. That's a that's a 22 minute thing, Sort of like a gen z Seinfeld. Um, and so I got that registered by W G A for 25 bucks, So I mean, yeah, so no one's let's hope nobody steals that when I pitch it around. But, yeah, I know it's unfortunate. Like the only way people will listen to a pitch meeting is if they're a fan of you or, you know, you have a rich uncle, you know, but yeah. Speaking of work ethic, I think maybe you can talk about maybe your methodology, the reason why you're doing it. But I heard you're not. You have a good following for your YouTube channel, but you're not making a significant amount of money in your words. But you mentioned a moment ago half or something, but you're making some money there, but that's not the sole purpose of why you're doing it. But you're you put so much time into that. So what is your reasoning for that? So that interview was a bit dated. It was pre covid and pre release of the thing. The So what happened was is so that that tastes close Feature that our long feature, it gets taken down for copyright on YouTube. So, uh, it had to be put up on on a patreon. And, uh, and at first, like a bunch of people came on. And now the patreon numbers probably triple overnight. And so we get that and then, you know, from from, you know, small amount, uh, you know, But it triples overnight, and now it's now it's actually, like, you know, making a good chunk of money. It was the highest numbers I had in the history of the PATREON then. So a couple of months goes by. And then I was like, What if I made a trailer for this? You know, because it's a feature, you know, because for the longest time, I was so against making a trailer for for something for like, a short, because it's it's corny. It's like just watch the short. You know, it's only, you know, it's only eight times longer than the trailer But now I had an hour long thing. So I was like, Okay, let's make a trailer for it And I put that trailer out and what went from tripling. So it was tripled. Then it tripled again. And now it's making, like, some passable money. And so So that's why I said half now is because now it's changed the VHS tapes because because we had two features were produced physical VHS tapes. Uh, and, uh, initially, people would get those for 30 bucks. Can you explain 30 bucks when they would back? Can you explain your reasoning for the VHS tapes as well? Bootleg culture, VHS tapes? You know, it's initially we did the VHS tape because, uh, we first did Pokemon, uh, one of those movies, and initially, uh, we would we would take scenes of Pokemon. We put in modern hip hop and modern R and B, and we had we knew a guy who could who could convert things to VHS, get them recorded on VHS, put it in a tape player and bring it back with all the coloration, and I first did it with the credit sequence of the first Pokemon movie. We were like, This is a vibe. We were like, Oh, my God, this is cool. Then I'm talking to a couple people, and they're like, we should get some money together and do the whole thing. And so So we did that. We got I mean, we only got, like, 1000 bucks together just to produce not, you...

...know, nonprofit. Uh, but we said as an incentive, So if you give this much, you'll get a VHS tape mail to you when it's out. And so we produced VHS tape to the whole cover, and then we also did that, you know, keeping tradition. We did that with the other one taste clothes, which came out three years later. And so now on the second hand market, Uh, because his clothes got so big, people initially got those for 30. Uh, I was seeing people sell them for 120 152 100. And so it became It became this thing where it was for the longest time, I was so into collectibles I was into, you know, Ugo and Christine Aguilera and Michael Jordan and all this stuff and all this, So keep the condition good. And and now I'm making the things where people are like, Oh, yeah, I gotta drop 200 on that. It's an investment, you know? And so so that was really interesting people. People wanted me to sign it. And it was a thing where it was like it was a thing where it was like, how do I put it? I never practiced my signature as a kid. You know, I I knew all these kids in school who would practice their signature. And I'm like, you were a pretentious asshole. What are you doing? Nobody wants that. And so I never did it. But now, uh, like my signature looks hideous when I do so now, like I I have to start thinking about that. And so it's It's weird how stuff like that comes full circle, but yeah, I had to sign a couple. The sign ones are worth more obviously than the regular ones. But now, like I had a couple of friends, and they're like, damn this, You know, I paid 30. It was $100. This is this is the best return I ever got on backing a project. You know, So, um yeah, that's what I liked. Well, no, that's what I liked about what you said. And what was true for you is from YouTube itself. You weren't making as much money as you were with your blue collar job or working in the lights and editing and all the other work that you were doing, which but you were still putting in the effort, which I thought that was analogous to people who want to follow a dream, want to follow something. They want to do something, and they might have to put in that time and not get See that return right away. And for you, it seems like you're getting your name out there. There was there was a purpose behind. It wasn't. I'm not going to make money, and I'm happy with that. But you're getting your product out there. But at the same time, you were getting exposure, and I just the idea of people putting in that effort even though they may not see the fruits of their labor right away. Yeah, that's a hump. A lot of people can't get over creatively, and it's kind of sad. Uh, you know, it's you know you have to work a lot of people. You've got to work for free and cheap sometimes you know, especially for your own stuff. And, you know, people. I see so many people just talk themselves out of it constantly, and it's just like, Okay, well, I guess you don't want to do it then, Like, you know, it's not like, Oh, we lost a great talent. It's like, No, like you gotta have If you're gonna be a great talent, you've got to have that mentality of like, I'm gonna work, you know? I'm going to work for it was a business day one for me. A lot of people stumble into it. A lot of people just make something randomly. Oh, it's a viral thing. You know, I had made so many hours of content before stuff I was doing was getting clipped out, going viral, instagram, Facebook, all that stuff. It was it was a multi year process. And, uh, you know, uh, 76 years had to trust the process where they're tanking and everything's going horribly, and they're not winning, But they're trying to get those draft picks. And now they're like a really good team because they trusted the process. Same thing with this. You got to trust the process. You have to You have to be, you know, working like it's the most important thing in the world. If you want it to be the most important thing in the world, regardless of who's watching, regardless of who's seeing it. And so that's the thing a lot of people don't see. Um, you know, even people with production budgets, you run into some lucky stuff like, I'll explain to other people who are trying to do music, stuff or whatever I'm like. You gotta upload three mixtapes a year, dude. Three, which is, you know, about maybe 40 songs, even that, you know, I saw there was a There was a There was a hip hop artist, uh, named XV, and he was really big in the, you know, the late two thousands early 20 tens. He had a project called 40 Days, 40 nights, where he uploaded to songs a day, every day for 40 days. And so I saw that at, like, 18. I'm like, Well, damn, I got to try to do something like that. And so, uh, you know it's stuff like that. And, uh, but yeah. What? What is your Your hand in music? I went on sound soundcloud, And, uh, some of that music is great. I mean, all that I heard was great. What? What is your hand in that? Are you writing? You're producing? Uh, I mean, sometimes, you know, hip hop. Gonna take some beets a couple of times. Some stuff I produce myself in terms of just the instrumental. Some stuff a friend will show up. A lot of it is pretty much sampling. Uh, it...

...depends on the track, but but as far as recording and writing and mixing doing the final mix and master, that's all me. You're multitalented. Do you have any advice for people thinking of you buying games from kids for 2025 bucks when you're in middle school or even changing your job? Right when you got a little older, you're changing positions, doing different jobs. Do you have any advice for people who are getting into work one way or another, their first job or their second job? No, I mean what Sorry. I mean, it's good word it Sorry. I know it's That's good. No, I don't have anybody. Go. Go get a job if you want. I mean again. I mean, you know, there are a lot of people again, I I need to reiterate this. It's not I didn't waste my privilege. That's the way I look at it. It's not like I came from absolutely nothing. And, oh, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps like I can't that's that's not honest. Like I can't project this reality that like, Oh, I was working two jobs and I did YouTube on the side. But, you know, I was awake, you know? You know, 20 hours a day. I can't I don't want to sell anyone that fantasy. You know? There are people where, you know, you know, they're They're I don't know, they're in a poverty situation and they have to work two jobs. Since they're 16, they have to drop out of high school. If someone's in that situation, they probably can't do what I did, you know? And so, uh, that's what I but at the same time, like I know so many rich kids who, you know, just screw around all the time, you know, and then they hit you up, like, you know, 10 years later, after high school. Oh, bro, How did you do that? You know, And it's like like, Dude, you wasted your privilege. Your parents had more money than mine, you know? And so that's kind of the thing. Like like I saw and recognized the opportunity and the privilege at a very young age. I recognize a lot of things at a very young age. When I was when I was 14 or 15, I realized I'm never going to see any of these kids in high school again. I will. After graduation, I will never see these kids. So all I did was screw with people for the last three years high school because I knew it wouldn't matter. None of it would matter not it still hasn't still hasn't come back to me. And so I was. I was always sort of, uh, you know, like it's whatever. Like, you gotta you gotta see stuff before everybody else does. Saying with the video game stuff, you know, I was doing that in 2010, collecting video games and flipping them, you know, and 60 for stuff that didn't become a concept until, you know, like a widespread concept until maybe 2013. 14 once. Remember the nineties and all that stuff started happening. You mentioned that you're not an expert, but what is a skill that you are working on to help you become the director that you hope to be? And also what sort of skill is absolutely necessary in the entertainment industry that you've seen so far? There's a lot of skills necessary. Um, uh, to rail off a couple. Um, communication is key adaptability. And just like the the work ethic to block out pain and block out annoyance and block out this and that, uh, persistence. One thing I heard was emotional. Self empathy. That was another thing I heard in terms of. Even if something isn't so good, you can't beat yourself. You have to have short term memory loss of all the bad stuff. And you gotta keep going. Um, and then But the thing is, what's unique about me is there are a lot of guys who are, you know, writer director people. Uh, it's it's hard to find a writer director guy who knows more about the technical end of cinema than me. And that's sort of that's where I was able to separate myself and really, you know, and be able to make high quality content and be able to teach others is because I just wanted to learn all of filmmaking, like so you want to be a director? You know, it's not just Oh, I'm gonna learn how to write and direct and, like, think up scenes and all that. I learned every part of the process. So another part is like never thinking you're above learning something. Never thinking, you know. So I wanted to learn. How do they do Audio. I wanted to learn. Um, what kind of lights are they using? Not even how do I light something? What kind of lights are they using? That was impossible to figure out, you know, five years ago, because there wasn't, like, a million YouTube videos on it. You know how to, uh, not five years ago, I'd say more like seven years ago. But like, you know, there was a million. I was trying to figure out what light stands do they use? What's the real stuff? How do we get overhead lights? What's the speed rail. What's, um, you know, you know what are sandbags for Apple box? How do we get, you know, a camera angle low? How do How do they get the camera to move so smoothly? How do they, uh, you know, like, how do they make that like, right...

...here? Someone might ask, How does he get the light to look like that? You know, like, just just all this stuff. And a lot of it is, uh, it's kind of like mock apprenticeship Where, um, I got to knowing how to find the information yourself. I'd say that's another big skill. Um, but in terms of what I'm trying to you figure out, I don't know, like, it's it's it's been such a grind and you start, you know, a lot. So many people tell you you're ready. You're ready over and over and over again, to the point where it's like, you know, I know there's still a lot I don't know, but it's it's trying to get up to that level. In 2016. All I knew how to do was maybe shoot with the DSLR, use a couple of led lights, kind of, you know, kind of okay, kind of lame. You know, it wasn't It wasn't so great. I didn't really know a lot about coloring and stuff like that. And I hit a wall where I would try to hit up people who were in film school. Hey, do you know this? They didn't know it. Uh, you know what cameras are they using? You know, what is Hollywood? All this stuff. And then I joined a cinematography for him that had people who made movies I had actually heard of. Think about that. I think of how many people say they're in film. Oh, the only thing you know. So But I was encountering people who made movies that I had heard of that had a list talent, you know? And so I had this new knowledge or restore or this new resource of knowledge and the big thing that prevented a lot of people from also pursuing that in my age group. Nobody wants to use a forum anymore. A forum is old. School forum is lame. I want to watch a YouTube video. A lot of the guys busy and working, don't have time to make YouTube videos. You gotta go where it's convenient for them to express their thoughts and ideologies and stuff like that. And then from 2016 to 2018, that was a boom of knowledge that that's where, like I, I learned more in that phase than any other part of the point of time. And, uh, you know, you I would call up guys. I wanted to learn about the Sony City Alta cameras, which were the cameras. They shot Spy Kids and Star Wars, Episode two and Episode three and, uh, and some other early 2000 films. And there was a guy in Latvia and I was like, Hey, you know, you wanna can you get on Skype and and explain this to me and he's like, Okay, and so you know, you talk to this guy and you really try to focus and you know, he has maybe a thick accent, but he's really taking the time. So you're really trying to learn. And that's kind of the problem is like a lot of people. Lot of people say they want it. Lot of people say they want to do X, y and Z, but your knowledge really shows how much you actually want it to me. Uh and so it's, you know, And people are like, Oh, why are you so mean? People are starting out blah, blah, blah. I'm like I'm seeing people who are doing this longer than I have that don't know X, y and Z. So don't don't tell me I'm being mean, you know, like it's it's just one of those things is that and I'm not saying you seem like this is for you. But patience is a patience for you. Something that you need to work on because you're young and people are Even though people are telling you you're ready. But you're not given that chance yet. Is patients one of those things that are kind of gnawing at you? Maybe I'm trying to. I guess the big thing I'm trying to do is I'm trying two. Not I don't want to turn 30 without a single big credit to my name. I don't want to do that. And so not only was success big, I wanted success. Young and I still want success Young. I want to be a young, successful guy. I want to stand out in that way and, uh because I thought about I don't know, like I like, I think about like LeBron James and how he came out of. He came out of, uh, to the NBA in high school when he's 18 years old. He's like getting triple doubles and all this wild stuff, and he's like, immediately the biggest star ever. I saw that at 10, and I was like, Wow, you know, I want to try to do something like that And so but what I'm learning now is that you can't be a 20 year old entertainer without a rich family member without someone in the industry already, you know, kind of moving you along unless it's, you know, maybe unless it's maybe hip hop or something like that, where you know, there's always people scouting and so on and so forth. But, uh, even though there's a lot of nepotism in hip hop, Uh, but, uh but yeah, you mentioned by 30 you know, having your your name somewhere on a feature of some sort. What is your overarching goal? What would you like? Would you like an Academy Award? Would you What? What are you hoping for? I mean, the funny thing is, and I heard this set of you. Is that your I've found it very difficult to find a picture of you let alone to see you on video. Right. So it doesn't seem like you're looking for the spotlight, But you also want the recognition like anyone else, for the hard work they put in. So to say, you...

...know, I want an award. I want to be up there. So I don't think that's really your cup of tea. I think you're you're wanting to do the work and for people to appreciate what you do. So do you have an overarching goal? It might be a feature film, but it might be 10 of them. It might be a whole series of things. It's, you know, at first it was filmmaking. That's what I knew. I had a skill in. And, you know, I didn't do what I loved. I did what I was good at, uh, you know, going all the way back to that marketing class. And, you know, I don't really put my face out there. Well, one, because, uh, no one else knows how to work the camera, so I'm always behind it. So you know you can't really And I'm a perfectionist. I always have to be in the viewfinder. I need to know what's happening at all times. You know, like I'll make videos where I'm on camera for my friends and the framing is kind of bad, but you know, that's not going out public. So it's fine. Um, but in terms of, uh, I mean, it's It's not that I'm, like, worried about you're the first person ever asked to show on camera You're the first person asked Honestly, So So that's why I show it up, you know? And so like No, it's OK. Blur my face out anyway. So So there's that, um But what I would say is, let's see the overarching goal. I mean, like, I don't This is another part of the reason I don't put my face on camera. Don't take selfies and all that, like I have a very low sense of vanity. Like, I don't think I'm just like, attractive guy. I think that people should only you know, not to put a slide on anybody, but, like, I only think people like you gotta be really photogenic to always put yourself on camera. That's just me. I'm not trying to project that onto anyone else. Um, you know, like so. So So you work. You know, you look like you work with a couple models, and, uh, it's like, Yeah, well, that's your job. You're supposed to be on camera. I'm not supposed to be on camera, you know, it's like that separation. Um, but in terms of, you know, in terms of overarching goal, I mean, like, I don't want to get recognized in the street for some YouTube videos. That's just not, you know, that's that's not lame. It's like, Oh, hey, you did this niche thing and everyone's around like, What the hell is he talking about? You know, like like, if I'm gonna be, if I'm gonna people are gonna come up to me. I wanted to be for something that's like, actually oh, Netflix Oh, Fox. Oh, ABC. You know something for real? Not like, you know, a dinky YouTube video with, like, 100,000 hits. You know, that's that's whatever it may, um and so, but the overarching goal is pretty much what I'm doing right now. But with with more money to play with, uh, and more and more connections and and more, I guess. More recognition. Um, you know, as time goes on, I realize how rare it is to be a multimedia artist and actually get money doing it. Uh, you know, you know, not a youtuber, not Oh, hey, I'm gonna vlog today. Hey, I'm gonna scream today. You know, like legitimately like doing a craft and having a bunch of people on it and doing a multifaceted craft, not a one trick pony. I'm. The more I see it, the more I realize how hard that is. Um, you know, and it's always just come naturally to me. I've always wanted to do everything but the reason why I put so much stuff out there, I don't know what's going to pop off. And so it's just, you know, think about Howard Stern. Howard Stern, uh, everything that he was the king of all media, right? Like that was that was his tagline. And he made a movie. It did Well, he did a book. It was the best preordered book in history. Obviously, his radio show, he did a T V show that everybody liked you know, King of all media. And so like like I I see that it's like, Well, let's try to be the king of new media. Let's try to be great on YouTube. Be great in video games. Be great in, you know, podcasting be great in Twitter and all this stuff. And so that's sort of what I, um how do I put it that that's sort of what I, uh, I look at their but yeah, what you're striving for. But, I mean, it's it's admirable. I mean, it's not. You don't want to be a one shot sensation. You want to be recognized, and it's not for something frivolous. It's for the hard work that you're obviously doing and what you will do in the future. Max. Is there anything people may not understand about you, or or the entertainment industry in particular, that if they understood this, they would have a better appreciation of you and the work that you do? An entertainment, I would say, And it's not. I like how you ordered that, because I would say whether it's me, you know, sometimes people don't like, you know, the way that I go about things or the way that I talk, whether it's me or whether it's Kanye West, whether it's Howard Stern, whether it's like any, whether it's Michael Jackson, whether it's any big entertainer like you got to understand that the guy who can go up on stage and every have all the eyes on them and be able to constantly produce and stay in their mindset and stay in their...

...workflow and and be able to handle that. You have to be different. You can't. You can't be like everybody else. You cannot be like everybody. Michael Jackson definitely was like everybody else. You know, you cannot be like everyone else and and that's, you know, and some people appreciate that, but But most people do not. Most people don't, you know, like that's that's what sort of annoys me and sort of I get into little people say I'm very competitive for for no good reason with certain things. But they're like, you know, you know, I'll say like like dude, I work in entertainment like I'm kind of like this and some people roll their eyes like, Oh yeah, and it's like, I mean, you could do that if I only had, like, two viewers a video and nobody cared who the hell I was like Lot of people care who I am, you know? And, you know, it wasn't like that when I first started, and a lot of people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. And so it's just one of those things. Um, you've got to accept that entertainers are going to be different And entertainers are, I should say, successful entertainers, maybe somebody who's seen some success, seen some money, some recognition. But entertainers got to be, uh, you know, you gotta understand that they're wired differently. And there was another thing with that Damn hold on. Sorry. Having a bad day? No, no, I'm dragging you on to know it's as you think about it. Just it's right, right. Like even an athlete has to be different people that are doing these particular industries, no matter what job it is, right? If you're talking about the garbage man, if you're talking about the president of the United States, these people are doing these jobs are different than most other people because most other people aren't doing those particular jobs, and it's no different than it is for the entertainment industry. Uh, it might be a little different from its like makeup of who that person is and what they're doing. But the individual skills and talents, the personality, whatever goes in, only not everyone can do this job or that job. It doesn't matter what job it is is. There's different skill sets that don't match other peoples, and for other people to understand it, you would have to have an appreciation that they are suited for that particular job. The more you refine it and define it, there's there's sharp contrast in with these different industries. But not everyone can do these jobs. And for what you're doing, not everyone can do what you can do. And to appreciate what you do is what you're asking because you're there to entertain, to write. You look at athletes as well. It's your there to entertain. It's like comedy. I've gained a great appreciation of comedy because comedians are going up there to make you laugh. So try not to be the fool in the back who is criticizing the guy who's up there. He's laying everything out, a girl laying everything out there to entertain you and putting hours and hours and years decades of work into this particular act. So have an appreciation The just listen to the show. That's no. Yeah, that's well, no, that's a big thing. Uh, in terms of, you know, it's the let's see you do it mentality. It's like, Oh, you think I'm so bad? Let's see you do it, you know? And that's something I've always gone by The thing I just remembered, um, that I messed up last time is that the reason why I made the differentiation between something like a garbage man and an entertainer is there is such a low success rate for entertainment? And so I'd say the big thing that people gotta understand when, when, like, you know, an entertainer tweets about something, it's like, Oh, that's weird. That's different, you know? Well, you're not considering numbers and statistics and all this stuff, and it's like you got to think there was less than a 1% chance that I would do this. So if you're that person who managed to beat those odds, other statistics don't they mean less to you? You know what I mean? And so, if you know, it's like, Oh, well, there's only a 20% chance that a lot of people are telling me with the game I'm producing that there's only a 20% chance that will take off less than a 5% chance. And I'm like there was less than a 1% chance that that, you know 110,000 people would would would look at what I do. You know, you think about you think about Kanye West, where it's like, you know, 10 different record labels turned him down. Then the first album he gets, it's a huge hit, and he's like a big star now and, like, you know, four or five. And so you got to think like like I don't when Kanye West goes off on on some things some wild Tansi in I don't I don't blame him like Dude like everybody told this guy like or when he has the bravado or the ego or whatever. Everybody told this guy who wouldn't be anything. And you know, I can understand how somebody has this sort of, you know, borderline god complex, because it's like, you know, people told you for so long, it would be nothing. And then you show up, you prove everybody wrong. And so now it's...

...like, kind of you go through life like, you know, fuck everybody. You know, it's one of those things. Did you see that the other day? Russell Westbrook. When, uh, was it Adam Smith? Steve Steven. Steven A. Smith commented on him, and he said, I'm not in it for the championships. Do you know my life? You have no idea. That's why I stay quiet about them and just stay in my lane and do my job because I know what I'm doing. No, absolutely. Um, I think part of it got lost in translation a little bit between Steven and Russell Westbrook because it's, uh, you know, he was strictly talking basketball. I feel like Stephen a agrees with everything, Westbrook said. From the standpoint of like, you know, these guys do need to be appreciated that they were able to come. Some of them came from very rough neighborhoods, and they were able to generate this multi generational wealth. And so uh so, yeah, that that absolutely has to be acknowledged. I think about it more in terms of, you know, not just athletes, but I think about it in terms of pop stars I think about in terms of, like, you know, you're you're taking, you know, 17 year old girls, and now they are the main breadwinner of their family, and they do 20 million in one year and and and all this stuff and so appreciating that in any facet, not just what you're into, You know what I mean? Like, I appreciate it. If a game developer does that, I appreciate it. If a singer does that, I appreciate it. You know, for anything. As long as you're not scamming, people are doing anything like that. You know, I appreciate it on all facets. If you were able to to be the guy to break the hump, You know, first Generation, first Generation, I want to make that very clear. Uh, have you are first generation person and you were able to do that? Yeah. I have a couple more questions for you, Max. And this one in terms of adversity, you mentioned that you had a pretty good growing up, but you you suffered from sleep. Insomnia. Is there any adversity that you have faced that you use to encourage you in your work. It might hinder you at times, but it motivates you as well. And how would you motivate other people in the adversity that they face are you can't. You can't use things like you can't find excuses, I guess, like or if something bad happens to you, you can't use it as an excuse. You've got to use it as some form of a fuel, I guess, or criticism, you know. And that's a big thing. Like sports, too, Like using You know, one time I saw a guy I don't know, they were like they said, Oh, you should never pursue success out of spite That's just wrong. And I'm like, literally Shaquille O'Neal, Russell Westbrook. All these guys have always said that. They've always said, Oh, I'm gonna remember this guy's name, That guy's name. Okay, let's prove all these people wrong, and that was sort of like me, you know, like I can't tell you how many people personally said to my face, This is gonna be nothing. You know I had an aunt. Well, she's divorced now. She's not in the family anymore. She's not my aunt fucker, but I remember we're in the car. She was She was a professor at universities and all that. I don't know. She did some major that nobody cares about. And so she stops me in the car, and she's like, Oh, hey, Max, I got a great idea, Uh, you know, because she knew I was trying to do the video thing. And it was, you know, it was I don't know. It was maybe a couple of months into my YouTube tear, and she's like, I have a great what if you got a computer science degree and you do the video thing for fun and I looked at her, I said, I don't want to be a computer scientist. I'm not some nerds through that, you know, It was you know, not not to say no. I think computer science is important programming and all that. I think that's very important, but it just wasn't for me. That's the point. And so you know, and so it's stuff like that, Uh, the writing on the wall, they tell me, Oh, well, well, my family member Oh my God. It was so many things that they would talk to some random producer. That's the other thing colleges meaning has entirely evaporated from what it was in 1981. Um, And so it's It's this thing where oh, well, I was talking to this this producer, and this is gonna go back into the adversity thing you said. But they'll be like, I was talking to this producer who produced nothing you've ever heard of. And hey, um, she said that the four year experience for a filmmaker is very important in college, and and, uh, because it gives you it makes you well rounded, gives you life experience and and all this stuff. And it's like, Dude, I saw like, I can't tell you how much life experience you have, just like just watching a homeless guy smoked crack that dude, that is like a world of what the hell is going on? You know, you know, you know, a couple months ago I was on, I was on the New York City subway and there was a homeless woman just pissing on the train. Dude, that is more experience than any college will ever give you for real, like like that that is it. And so you know the well rounded thing. Like I get it. I get why they say it. Okay, you got to...

...experience a lot of arts. You've got to develop yourself and they think that college is going to curate that for you. That's what she meant by that. That's what I know now. But I was able to curate that for myself. Maybe other people aren't. And so the thing with adversity, especially with comedy, because we were talking about comedy earlier. Is that all the weird shit that happens to you? You know, that's that's where a lot of your jokes trying to come from your brain has to be broken. To be funny. You have to be. You have to be so like, mashed in the head with awful experiences and wild things. Dude, the police showed up to my house at least 10 times when I was growing up over some domestic dispute. I saw so much crazy shit, you know? And so it was. I remember one time I was 12 years old down the street, the cold attack, playing with a friend and his cousin shows up. He's like, Oh, yeah, my cousins in the N s 13. It's this guy, like, covered in tattoos and, you know, like I'm like, 12 years old, like this doughy 12 year old kid I'm like, Oh, I hope I don't do too well. He might get mad at me and shoot me, you know, like like all this stuff, you know? And it was, uh, like, I saw a lot of stuff growing up and a lot of people who try to pursue the arts who came from, you know, middle class to upper middle class neighborhood. They didn't see any wild stuff and and, you know, to your point, with adversity, adversity, uh, seeing that wild stuff, let's say that's the adversity. That's what really fuels you. You know, that's what's going to, you know, make your creative juices work. Um, and so you know, But that's that's just kinda don't use the mistakes I've seen. Like like I don't Yeah, don't use it. Excuses, you know, use it, use it as fuel. The reality is like, I can't think of a single funny comedian who didn't have, uh, an insane weird, you know, left up childhood. I can't think of one because I look at all these guys stories. It was something strange. It was something where they're experiencing the world different from other people, you know? You know, all this stuff, you know, like I had a one time I put a poll on Twitter. That was when you were a kid. Did Child Protective Services show up to your house? More than twice. 90% of people said no. I was like, Damn, that happened, like, four times for me. What the hell, you know. So it's it's all this stuff, But, you know, we're in this. We're definitely in this Twitter instagram self psychology era where we tell that we tell ourselves so if bad things happen to your childhood, you're helpless. Oh, you're helpless, you can't do And it's like, Dude, that's so soft especially, you know, not to get too racial, but like, you know, like like you know, I talked to you know, I'll say like it is. I talked to a lot of white kids from really nice neighborhoods, and these are the saddest people I know. These are the saddest, most unambitious people that I meet. You know, kids. I don't know how older generations are but like these jeans ears and like Oh, well, well, I read. I read a post on Instagram that said, because this happened to me. I have I have bpd and depression, blah, blah, blah. And so I can, you know, it's like we were in this era for Jen's ears of like self diagnosing your problems and and finding confirmation bias for why you're a quitter. And and that's what I That's what I hate. That's what I absolutely hate. And it's, you know, and that's what I say. Like I have a diverse audience and and that's what you see, like when I, um you know, when I go on a stream and I say I'm trying to be a millionaire, you know, the white kids are like, Oh, that's weird. He's arrogant, He's this, and the black and Mexican kids are like, Yeah, me too. So it's You start with less, you pursue more, start with less, pursue more. So, um but yeah, that's sort of how I've seen it broken down. Well, it's funny because I think a lot of people would say that they're seeing that sort of occurrence with younger people. But hearing you at 26 I think there's a There is a glimmer of hope for our future knowing that not all kids are thinking like that. Not that your kid at 26 but being young enough to realize and having your hand not too far away from your teens and almost into your thirties. Knowing you have a really good perspective on life is what I believe. Thank you. Therapist would disagree, but you know, that's how you like. The other thing is that therapist. I mean I mean, well, no see, it's interesting because a couple years ago I was getting really into psychology and I was trying to talk to, not therapists, psychologists, and I was trying to talk to them, You know, people that I knew through university connections, and I would try to talk to them about motivating other people. That's huge. You think about Michael Jordan? The thing they said is he made everyone around them better. So I was trying to learn is you know, it might seem a tad manipulative, but I was trying to see how do I manage talent? How do I get people to do the right thing for them and do the right thing for the greater good of the group, you know? And, uh and you look into a lot of that, but on And so I would say, some theories. Sometimes they confirm them. Sometimes they deny them. Like I talked to, you know, professors to They're like, I...

...don't talk out of my ass like I go to people and talk and ask before I say things publicly And, uh, one time I made a mistake before I got the psychologist connection. I just talked to a therapist and I was like, Hey, I'll give you 50 bucks. I'll give you 50 bucks. Just don't talk to me like a patient. Just I have these questions about how the human mind works. Talk to me immediately there in their playbook. Oh, how does that make you feel? I'm like, I'm asking you, like, you know, like like it's the whole thing where it's like it's like Dude, just like Don't talk like And I knew what she was doing, you know? But 11 thing a guy said to me was, remember, therapists aren't doctors, Therapists are not scientists, so that was a big thing, but now, but now, this lady, uh, she was trying to say, Oh, Oh, there's this this and this wrong with you. Uh, you know, um, there was a We had a big disagreement on what makes a human being matter. And she's like, Oh, so so you work so hard while I'm like, I work hard because that's what you have to do. Like you have to work. We've been working since the beginning of time, and and, like I say to her, I'm like some some guy who, you know, just like, lives off his parents money, you know, sits in a bed all day playing video games, consuming, consuming, consuming, consuming, not doing anything, not impacting anyone else's life. Like I'm sorry. Explain to me how he matters. Explain to me, you know, And so because it's like I'm busting my ass here trying to do this. You're trying to tell me that this guy is on the same level of me like sorry. Like, and that's where the competitive sort of you know, thing comes out and a lot of people consider that screwed up. But I'm just like like, dude, like I'm busting my ass, and you're gonna tell me? Oh, yeah. He's just as good as you know. Sorry like that. That's not how it works to me. Anyway. Um, and so, yeah, I think as you will make a good director, because that's like a manager, right? Is in my wrong and kind of understanding what a director does that be similar to a business manager of source. So a manager. Okay, so and I tried management. I I attempted management, but it was hard to find people because they got them today. When you're a manager, you work for them. When you were director, they work for you. That's kind of the core difference there. And so, you know, when you're a director, they're only there for a project for a manager. You're there for their whole career. And so I you know, I could have all the great advice and all that, but not at the end of the day. You know, there are similar skills. Absolutely. You'd be right. Um, but sort of with the management thing. And again, that's that's why I said the suburban kids, you know, you'd find, you know, you find a girl who gets likes, and she's inconsistent and all this stuff. And I'm like, Dude, I could I could get you to quit your day job in 18 months. If you listen to everything I say and you could you could be a model or an actor or whatever. I know that you have everything that you need. Just just give me 18 months. But they never do it because they have a safety net. They had their parents. They have, you know, they have, uh, you know, boyfriends, letting them live rent free. They have. You know, you know all this stuff, and so sometimes, uh, sometimes I will get in the way. A director is kind of, uh, being a director. It's more intense in the moment. But once you're done, you're done with the manager. It's less intense in the moment, but it's just a consistent sort of grind. Um, that's sort of how I've seen it. And when it comes to a manager, you have to convince, you know, you have to convince what's in their best interest for a director. You're just trying to get the shot done. You know, you're just trying to get the project done so it's I could talk about it more in detail if you like. Well, it's what I like about what you're saying that you do is you're trying to help people be the best that they can be and so that they and it's not. You don't feel threatened by that. You don't feel like they're trying to take over your position. You're trying to help them strive where they are. Uh, it's because I know they will take over my position. Um, it's sort of, you know, like some people would say, Oh, that's very, very arrogant All this stuff. But it's just, Look, I've met. I've met thousands of people all trying to, you know, do this, do that, whatever. And it gets to a point where okay, I am different, Okay? There is something that sets me apart, and you know, a lot of people, a lot of people are really scared to verbalize it to themselves because they were afraid of the criticism that comes with that. I don't really care because, you know, if I know that I'm busting my ass, that's all that matters. If I know that I'm working as hard as I possibly could. That's all that matters. And so, uh, you know, it becomes a thing. Where and again, like I'm not. It's It's really hard to find multi talented people, like when I'm hiring people like I don't know how to program. It's really hard to find a programmer who's just, you know, it has problem solving ability and will consistently show up. That's really hard to find. It's really hard to find an artist who can do a certain art style and can show up for a...

...decent amount of money and and bang out 100 drawings. You know, like stuff like this like, and so and so what? I You know, I do. I do sound design. I do. I do writing. I do. You know, all this stuff that, you know, sort of gives me a footing where if I'm doing enough jobs, I can just pretty much say, Okay, I'm the director, too. I just don't meet people that can do multiple things, and it's It's like a thing. Where and you know the big thing is, oh, well, why are some people more successful than you? Because they have connections, and so would you say one of those things. Would you say that those people don't exist or those people exist? But they're not willing to put in that work at all. They they have those raw talents. They have those skills they can program they can draw, but they're not willing to sit down. I was watching a drawing video yesterday with my son and then the guys, just just draw, keep drawing, keep doodling, keep doing. You got to keep doing it. And these people are just not willing to put that work. And you know what? I appreciate what you about you is the work ethic that you have. I think that's the core of what what drives you is your willingness to work. And not all people have that. Most people don't have the level. Some people do it for survival. Some people will work to survive, but they don't have that level to succeed and to excel. A lot of people don't have, I guess, sort like entrepreneurial mindsets, I guess where where a lot of people don't like that, it's all on them. It's all on their shoulders. People, you know, people really shy away from that and you know, it's people are too afraid of criticism in the moment, especially if they have friends with big followings where they're making good stuff. You know, they don't want to try to. To your question on, Do those people not exist? I mean, those people exist. Those I like I said, Those people are Howard Stern. Those people are Kanye West. Those people are our Jamie Foxx. Those people are, um you know, Penn and Teller like that's those people, are we? We see these people all the time. Um, and and are there other people who are multi talented? Really good That haven't been discovered yet? Yes, Absolutely. I'm just not running into them. I'm not saying that I know the world, but in my network of people, I haven't ran into that yet. Um, you know, to say that that I am I am the greatest talent ever. You know, like, again, I I think there are plenty of people who are more talent. We're not getting another Michael Jackson for another 150 years. I guarantee you, I am not the next Michael Jackson, you know, You know, and again, he was multi talented, but like you take out dancing and maybe it's it's sound design or something like that, you know? And so it's, uh I wasn't insanely talented like I The only thing that I showed any talent for was, you know, I could be funny. I could keep her room going for, like, 30 minutes. And I, you know, I could sort of, like, I knew how to, you know, edit and, you know, direct the scene. Those are the only two skills that I had going for me when I when I came out of high school, I had no idea about audio. I had no idea about direction I had. No, I didn't really have a big idea on acting. Um, I didn't know anything about lighting. I didn't know about cinematography or lenses or how how lenses work or aperture or shutter speed. I didn't I didn't know any of this. Like you could. You could name something that you saw. And I tell you when I started picking that up, um, you know, it's the majority of what I do. What people follow me for was not stuff that I knew out of the gate. So, you know, in terms of in terms of latent talent and what brought that out. The work brought that out. I'm against. Yeah, the grind. Absolutely. And so it's It's repetition. The biggest key to success is the ability and desire to practice. And so, God, you know, like I I had I did some stat. I was counting through my videos of of sound design and putting effects and mixing and stuff like that. And it took me 100 and three shorts to finally have a level of sound design that one would consider, like professional, like Hollywood, standard professional. And so, you know, I don't do like I don't meet a lot of people who make 100 and three shorts with variety. I can't I can't meet those people, you know, not to say that there's other people again, like like I'm not. I'm not the richest guy I know. I'm not the guy making all the money. I know like there's people with more followers than me, of course. Um, but it's sort of I don't know, like like I just really have the desire. Um, but, you know, sometimes we're also seeing generationally like people don't like the guy who works really hard. A lot of people find that intimidating and they don't want to hire that guy. I'm sure I've missed out on, you know, jobs here...

...and there where people were too afraid of, of working with a guy who's like, I'll take over you know, I have no problem doing that. And so a lot of people feel, you know, I I guess a lot of people feel challenged in that sense or they feel awkward and all this stuff. And that's just not the Hollywood that I witnessed growing up where you're afraid to. That's another big thing. People are so afraid to work with strangers. People are so people feel like they have to be friends to work with people. What is that? You know, it's so many times, like like I hit up so many people. I I didn't know it all. I hit a guy who produced for Missy Elliott, you know, a couple years ago, and, uh, to score a piece of my game, and I worked with him and I didn't know him at all. But now I do and you know, is it awkward to work with people the first time when you don't know him? Yeah, sure, But you know, that's what separates, uh, what separates the men from the boys? Let's say, Have you tried LinkedIn? Are you on LinkedIn? No, it's not really it's. It's not a bad place. It's a good place to make connect, I'll tell you you could easily as as as you Maxfield making connection as a cinnamon photographer director. It's a place you'll see. So I mean, it doesn't take any effort, right? You just put your thing up there and check it out and make connections because I've met some pretty interesting people that way, and connections do come that way. It's It's a free resource, and you don't have to pay for it. You can get the premium package and stuff, but it it's a way. It's another way, right? I mean, I I haven't run into a situation usually like when a client wants me like I got Zoom because of a client, like three years ago. Usually when a client tells me, Okay, get this. That's how I usually get into something. It was the same with Facebook. It was the same with with a lot of stuff, but but yeah, I mean I mean, I'm sure I'm not counting it out, but it's just, you know, I've tried a multitude of platforms for work, and it's just the YouTube staff is what brings in all the traffic. It's what brings in all the people to me. And so So it's like when you have one thing that works, you know, you're you're less interested in trying the things that might work. I like what you said. It's we'll just go ahead. No, go ahead. Sorry the what you said. And I think it's universe for any job. And you tried a 103 times right before you made something that you thought was professional. And if you take that for any sort of job, if you're willing to do something 100 times before, you're going to get it right, you know, throwing out a resume 100 times. Most people won't do that. I know people that throw one or two and think, Oh, this is the end of it. I get rejected, I'm done. Try 100. I mean, try 1000. I'd like to even know how many videos you've made because all of these are steps towards you accomplishing your goal, right? So they're all they're all steps. How many I've written. Probably 500 scripts, right? 500 scripts? Probably. Um, you know, And that was another thing. Like Like it's annoying when people think they're working hard, but they're not. That pisses me off so much when I'm like I'm like, Oh, yeah, he's a good writer. He writes a lot about how many scripts is your right here. 33 You gotta be kidding me. I write three in a week like Well, you know, And so, uh, you. But But that's the thing, like you get annoyed when people give you similar. When people give someone else again, it's a competitive thing. It's It's a sports raised thing. You get annoyed when when people who you know are not putting in even a quarter of the work are getting equal or higher recognition. That that you know, that's what I don't like. Like if there's somebody working just as hard and getting more recognition, okay, that's that's connections. That's the luck of the draw. That's fine, but when it's I mean, it's still connections you know, for the other thing, but it's a you know, it's it's one of those things in terms of, uh but yeah, I mean, I mean making shorts. And And here's another thing about so let's say that number is 100 right of sound design mix whatever's. So that number is 100 after 20. In the moment. I think this is professional, and that gets into that self empathy. You always have to think that you are doing your best shit. Always. You always have to believe that. And so it's, um you know, and so but but again with the knowledge I know now I look back and, uh but yeah, at about 100 which was and I hit 100. Maybe maybe, like three years ago. Now that's when I started noticing. Okay, Like like this is I found my standards. I have found what I do. I have compared it with Hollywood features. This is this is this is where I sit. And that's another thing. Like people, people. I was always holding myself to the...

...standard of Hollywood movies that I grew up watching. That's what I help myself to the standard of and a lot of people would hold herself to. Oh, I just want to be okay. You know, our, uh, was aimed for the stars laying on the clouds. That's sort of saying I guess that's the kind of philosophy, but you know, it is what it is, Max. How can people reach you? How can they get in touch with you besides linked in? Obviously, uh, let's see. Uh SP on three on Twitter Spn three on Twitter Spn three on YouTube The end of that. Come on, Instagram. What s B n three? Uh, it was I had a channel called There was a Pete Rock song called Soul Brother Number one. And so I got banned twice for copyright stuff. So it ended up being sober. The number three and I was like, Well, that's a mouthful. So it became Spn three. Uh, and and And now people can actually find me through Google that that wasn't happening four years ago. So, um but yeah, no. So 244 characters a lot easier to remember than than 15, but yeah, One final question, Max. Yeah? Why do you work to get rich? Yeah, I don't doubt that you will be. I mean, you have the work ethic, you're young and you have You have whatever it seems to take to do what is necessary to to achieve those dreams and and those goals however you want to put it. But with the work that you put in just to watch your videos to know, you know, a little bit behind the scenes of what you're actually putting in, there's no doubt that you can do that. Maxfield S b n three Director Cinematographer Youtuber soon to be director of a feature film near you I appreciate your time and I appreciate the work that you do. Thank you. Hopefully an agent sees the same way. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive yet joyful day in your work.

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