WhyWeWork BrianVee
WhyWeWork BrianVee

Episode 32 · 2 years ago

#32 Kene Iloenyosi Author Speaker Talent Evangelist BrianVee


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Kene’s Profile linkedin.com/in/keneiloenyosi 

Email kene@talentrevolution.me 

Twitter keneIloenyosi 

Website http://talentrevolution.me/ 

Kene's Books: 

Finding Your Sweet Spot: https://a.co/0oo8gss

DNA of Talent: A Blueprint for Discovering Your Talents and Putting Them to Work: https://a.co/fl0SZWa 

About Kene's Work: 

"Engagement is not about helping people up the corporate ladder, but about getting them on the RIGHT ladder."  

HOW WE HELPED ALEX: Alex loved his job when he worked hands on with clients and projects. He did such a good job, his company promoted him to manage the team. Alex was thrilled at first but soon became disillusioned; and his performance started to slip.  

In working with Alex, we discovered that he had high Spatial Relations Visualization ability. People with this ability need to be hands on at work. They need to be involved in work with concrete and often tangible results. With this information, and working with his HR Director, Alex was able to move back into a role where he was hands on with client projects. He was happy and his organization got the most out of him.  


- Help young adults discover their natural abilities and how best to use them at work. 

- Help HR and Talent Development Directors align the talents of their young employees with the right teams and roles within their organization. 

- Empower employees to become proactive with creating their professional development plan. 

- Help teams increase productivity by teaching them how to work, learn and communicate based on their talents. 

 “The greatest lesson I’ve learned is that the best way to serve others is to discover and use my talents in a fulfilling career.” It is one thing to do your best, and another to give your best. You can only give your best when your natural abilities are engaged at work. This is what makes work fun and fulfilling.  

Contact us to learn how we can serve you. 


 Download my free Talent Discovery Worksheet at WWW.TALENTREVOLUTION.ME.

 You can also join my mailing list for talent development updates.

Welcome to why we work, with your host, Brian V as. He speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here is your host to why we work, Brian v I am Brian V at why we work. I have the great pleasure of speaking with Canay Ilonichi today and he will speak about work. This is his forte. This is what he does for a living, trying to dig to route into the talents that lie within you. Every person has a talent, every person has a an ability, but not all people search it out. They don't all look for it. As for looking for gold. He realized this at a young age and he's made it his life mission to help people find their talent and work well and work with joy. I'm glad you're here spending your time with me in this conversation with this man, can a Aluni she. I'm Brian Vy, and this is why we work, and I have the great pleasure of speaking to you today with Kna Elo in Yo. She good day. Find Sir, did I butcher and Brian, how well did I butcher it? Yeah, you did butchered it. I butchered it. which at it? And that is normal. That is normal. That is okay. Is it okay? I get my name butchered? Okay, it's why it's Brian V. It just makes it wrath. I thank you, Kane, for coming here, sir, for being on this podcast and taking the time to talk about work. If you wouldn't my pleasure you would do me the the honor of just a little introduction about yourself. I have one at the beginning as an introduction to the podcast, but just from your own words, a little introduction, please. Well again, my name is Kenne ILO and you'll see I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and I'm the founder of talent revolution and we help people find their career sweet spot. We believe that people are created in a certain way and how they are wired to determine how they work. You are, how you awful, why you are a job is just helping people understand how they are wired and helping them discover the right career path based on their natural abilities, and so I thought I do full time, written two books and I'm about to publish my third on the topic of talent and abilities and purpose. Can it? Can you bring us way back to when you got your first job, the first time you started making money on your own? And how old were you? Oh, that's interesting question. How old was I? It says back. So I am Nigiana and I am Nigiana. I my first job was a business. I've never, never really held jobs, you know, where I work for others. Most of my life I've always had my own business, and so I'm more comfortable talking about my first business venture out of college. Sure, a partnered with a...

...friend of mine. We started a marketing company. That failed in and about four or five months. What was the concept behind it? The concept was creating media. So in this case we're using these what you call it the like Sun visors. You know, when you park your car in the sun, sometimes you have this big thing that you put in front of the inside, the behind hug in career, the windscreen exactly. And so in Nigeria we wanted to use that as a marketing platform corporations to print their logo and give out to their customers. At that time there was a big concert coming up in the in the country, and we're post cocacola. Yes, they seemed interested, but at some point I think they looked at this two young kids, dread fresh out of college. I thought, okay, good idea, but we don't think this. Two kids are smart enough or strong enough to to handle this magnitude of a project. So we're putting so much money and that failed and we both went to a separate ways. He started a janitorial company. I started a landscaping company. With that experience. Can you explain to me why people do not advertise on masks? I that mass isn't that like vital real estate space being could be used at this moment in time? It is, it is right now. Maybe someone has not thought about it yet because we're still in this you know, we're staying in the pandemic, and so most people are thinking about well, companies are putting their logos. I see Amazon drivers with there's my local church. We have a logo on it, and so I don't think people have come up with well, we can create masks and embroider, imprint your Your Business Logo, or use this as a marketing tool surface. Yeah, what was your motivation? So you got into business out of college, but even before that, even though you may be reluctant to speak about maybe some jobs you might have had or ways to make money, what was your driving force to even get into business? Did you have some family influence? Did you just decide I want to do something different? You know, I just the way I grew up. I grew up with parents who had traditional jobs. My Dad was an engineer and he, you know, work nine of five, work for the for the Night National Reilway Corporation. You know, rose up in the ranks to senior executive level. But I always had this you know, some people say it's been lazy, some people's call it being in an entrepreneurial streak. I don't know. I just know that I have always loved my independence and just the desire to have control of my time and how I work. It's something that has been innate in how I am wired and as I started, when we're not being much older now, using assessments to understand more about myself, it makes so much sense because I value my independence. If you've read I think it's from us, the guy who wrote drive. I think it's pink from us being one of the key things to job satisfaction is autonomy and man, I value my autonomy. I value my autonomy. When did you start taking these assessments to start fine tuning your career path? When did you start feeling this desired okay, even to where you are now in helping others? The first assessment I think I took must have been in nineen maybe one thousand,...

...nine hundred and ninety nine. I was a missionary Pasta in Zambia, Southern Africa, for about three years and I believe that was the first time I took an assessment. It was the the it's called the Florence Litt our personality plus, where you're either, what are those things called? Sanguine, collect you know, Colorgg, phlegmatic, and I can't remember the fourth one. And then move to the states, the one. It started making more sense to me when I moved to the states. In two thousand and one. Got To in turn with John Maxwell's I don't know if you've heard of John Matt Sol who teaches leadership. I got to intern with this company equip and my boss by pact. That was the right one. Of the vice presidents had me take another assessment, the disc assessment. MMM, and so, you know, the picture started to form. Okay, this is this is how I am wired, and I've just enjoy taking different assessments as I've encountered them. I got into what I do today because, again, running a business with my wife that I did not enjoy. She was like, Hey, listen, you're you're messing up the vibe in the company. You're coming in and you know, you come here crabby and all that. We've got a company, it's you know, it's at least financial, it's taking care of us. Take time off and go figure out what you want to do. And this wasn't two thousand and seven. And so I started to explore take an assessment, thinking back to the things I enjoy doing in you know, back from from my post college till that time. That sorry really for is that. Was that just your wife, like or initially your wife, that said, Keeney, you need to take a little break. Was it? Was it her the initial one that noticed this in you? And my wife was the one who said you need to figure out what you want to do. All I kept saying was I don't so she's a graphic designer and we have a graphic design company. I'm not I am not creative. I was doing the business side of things, but I never saw myself when you like, I'm a futuristic person. I'm always thinking five, ten years ahead. I couldn't see myself doing this for the rest of my life, and so that was depressing. That was sort of weighing on me, but I didn't know how it was spinning out until I was like, this is babe. She knew she did. Ye, I'll be set, but that's good on her right to give you that time to I mean, you know it, but like it's really good to have a spouse like that who gives you that time to go spread your wings, to go find what might be good and find your own talents. Yeah, I think. I think too for her own siding, for the think about Maggie, because a nice way of putting here. As I okay, listen, if you don't think o this, I'm going to be a big trouble, you know. So get your act together. That's wonderful. No, my wife, my wife is amazing. She's my my big ass fan on my biggest critic at the same time. So so how she doesn't hold back with the assessments that you were doing. How hard to what you learned is what you teach now. So in learning how to define your talents, your desires, your passions. How how hard was that for a learning process for you, especially somewhat on your own, like you were reading books and going to maybe seminars and stuff, but it was your own discovery. How hard was that for you? I it's it's that's another interesting question. Question. I won't say it was hard...

...because I enjoyed the process, because I was not crunched for time. That okay, you must figure out what you want to do. We already had business. I was still part of the business, so we had this source of income. But they are people who don't have that. You know, they're in a job, they are they work for someone or the in a business and they want to get out. And so for them there's that. They're more desperate, you know, desperate to get out and figure things out. For me, it was more a progression. I spent time doing a lot of introspection, thinking through, okay, how do I what do I really want to do? And the first thing that I landed on was. I know, I want to be a professional speaker. That was what number one thing had been. I had been a toast master for a while and you know, I'd get invited to speak at different things. I said, okay, I want to be a professional speaker. Step too. Well, if you're going to be a professional speaker, what is your topic? Sorry about the I said professional speaker. was there. Did you see someone? Did you do you do idol someone? idolize someone? Rs It just someone you experienced like I can do that. I have that talent. What what you remember? Remember? I remember I said I had been a pastor. Yeah, missionary for three years. I've been a miss I actually as as a mission I passed the churches, so I was speaking. Some weeks I was speaking five times a week, sometimes twice a week. So I already had that thing of getting up to speak and so I moved here joint toast masters still got back into speaking and John Maxwell is someone who I admire and I kept telling myself in every time I hear him speak at it I can do this, I can. I'd love to, you know, get paid to speak. So he he for one. In many ways, I mean is helped me in so many ways mentor me from a far. I don't know him personally. I've met him a number of times, but he's mentored me through his books and his lessons. And so I asked myself, okay, I want, I'd like to do this. Well, the next thing is, well, what will be your topic? You know, he speaks on leadership. The other people who speak on marketing their people who speak different things. I did not want to speak on leadership, even though I enjoyed speaking on leadership. I wanted to find a a new call it niche. And so, as I again introspection and thinking back, I asked myself, what topics did you know? What topics got me excited? What was I passionate about? Could you arrand yourself? You're not just the branding before you. Before you brand yourself, it's asking yourself what excites you? You know, what what do you see yourself talking about constantly? For some people it's a natural process and for me I enjoy talking about purpose, purpose and when I talk with friends this, you know, people that you knew, you me when I was a kid, they said, we you know I had loved discussions like that as a kid. I'm like a you kid me, are you serious? Yeah, you know, again being future ristic, I was always thinking, okay, what do you want to achieve? What do you want to do, and so I started exploring how that would look coming from, you know, going outside the Christian world where I could talk to more people, and I settled on helping people understand their natural talents, because your purpose works with your talents, how you're naturally wired. And so that's...

...how I started on, you know, speaking on talents and then write it in my first book called finding your sweet spot, and that was what really launched the speaking career will. I was not coaching back then, I was just speaking professionally, but every time I'd speak people would have more questions. So how do I implement this? Okay, I you have exercises in your work, in your book. I get emails, I get calls. Well, how do I work on this or this was what I did and this is what I'm doing now, and one thing has led to another. We developed a based on the book. A friend of mine develop a course that we try to implement, but again that did not work. I wrote another book to take people deeper into the topic of talent and from there I found an assessment that would help people discover their natural abilities. Most success assessments out there focus on personality, which is good, but your personality is just one slice of view and I was looking for something that was broader than just your personality. And I use an assessment called the highlands ability battery. And once I had landed on that, I was like, okay, I can develop a coaching program based on this. So what would you out of your discovery of yourself and then into sharing it? What? What is? It is the talent? What is the talent that bubbles? Is there? Is there a way to define a person's talent? Defining is not always the the I tell people not to try to define, because once you start to define, you're looking for the word. Okay, I might a this. Just focus on describing what you enjoy doing, see of yourself, what you think of yourself. And the key thing I always tell people to do is go back to between a when they're between age one and ten. You have to understand that your natural abilities were wired into you while you are still being developed, but while you're still being formed in the womb, their neural pathways in the brain. So children are born with certain abilities and they interact with their environment based on how they are wired, and their interaction with their environment manifests itself in how they play. So for children, play is their work and they're playing based on how they are wired. So I will tell people go back to when you are between one and ten. Think about how you played. What was the thing you kept, you know, unconsciously doing over and over again? What kind of child were you? What did you hear your parents or adults around you say about you? Often, sometimes it may come across as negative. All that. This job is to talkative. All this child asks too many questions of this child is always so, it's I got, yeah, yeah, it's it's you know, the child who wants who wants to be an engineer, who wants to build, is the one who's always trying to open up the TV or open up the phone and open up whatever it is. They may not know how to put it back. What do you say see those sorry, what what do you say to the child that had interviewed so many other day they said from four to ten they had a life from hell. So they weren't there normal, they were hated within the home, that they went to and they were despised and abused. What do...

...you say to them? That didn't really play as a child should play and they're still trying to discover their talent. Your external the external, external environment, in no way takes away how you are wired. So, yeah, what it does is that it distorts it. So it's the child of the the adult. Thinking back to okay, even though I was in this environment, how did ie adapt? And for a lot of people, unfortunately, they adapted negatively. Because you also have to understand how the human the human mind works. Even as children, children, in a bid to survive, take on a personality that AIDS that survival. So if compliance is what aids the survival, unconsciously the child becomes compliance. If it's, you know, pretending to be like someone else, if it's being aggressive. Everybody is different. Everybody has a different in a naturally different coping or adaptation mechanism. So even the person who, from age four to ten and countered negative environments may have may have had this constant thought about, Oh, I'd love to do this, or when they were alone, they found themselves defaulting to let me just read. I can escape in reading. I can escape in singing. I can escape in, I know, playing with whatever comes their way. There's always something in your childhood that I call I call those your sparks of talent. If not, then using assessment, you can still explore how you are wired, because your natural wiring does not change. Read you are, how you are. You rediscovering what's already there and out looking at those things on the outside. Yeah, you must come. Do you come across a lot of people asking questions like this, asking you know, after they read your book, finding the sweet spot, DNA, and what is the the next one that you have coming out? The funny thing about is that the the book is ready, but I don't have a tax of tens. We always put the title on last. I mean that's good. Otherwise, if you put the title on first, you're you're determined by you dictate how you're going to write it. Finish. It's interesting, but the first two books, the title, the titles were I didn't you the tides of advice that did write him. But this one has been interesting. But I'm so as you write the book, as you write and people listen to you, do you get bombard it with lots of questions about you know how to find my talent and even though you've written about it. And what kind of questions are you getting? Most often, the biggest the I get all sorts of questions, but the one that people struggle with the most and which I think is the most important question, is a lot of people do not believe they were born with talents. A lot of people don't believe they are bond me talents and and and that benief often hinders them from discovering in their talents, because to discover you have to search. And so if you don't believe you have talent, you don't think there's any point in searching and you're now focused on hey, let me focus on my skills, because I need my skills to work. Yes, you need your skills to work, but your skills should...

...support your talent. If you are in them, if you are employed simply based on your skills, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when you will burn out. You burn out. And so I spend a lot of time helping people understand that they are wired a certain way and we start, as we start to ask questions, what often comes out is in as we now start to identify certain patterns, what they say to themselves is like, oh, that cannot be a talent. Everybody should be able to do that right now. It's easy for you because you are naturally wired that way. And that now starts helping them, you know, see that, oh, anything you do naturally well is a talent. Often they think about when you talk about talent, they think about all the you know, the wellpaid executive, of the well paid basketball player on, the wellpaid musician. Now how you think you're the depth of your curiosity is a natural ability. You know your spatial reasoning is is is an ability walking into a room and intuitively knowing who the you know, the pecking order. You know. Those are all natural abilities. But it's helping people realize that whatever that thing is that comes naturally to you, it's a tool that you should use at work. Look and so once we get them past that, the next question now becomes, okay, how do I use these abilities? Do you find there's a correlation with people who, if you said to them, Oh, this is your talent and they dismiss it, with people who really believe they don't have that talent, versus someone who thinks they might have that talent but they don't have the confidence to build upon it. Define there's those the dichotomy, that the difference between the two. One says I really don't have that, even though other people see it in them and the other ones may have it. They know it, but they're not confident with it to build upon it. Do you find you come across people like that? Yeah, I do, I do, and I always tell people I don't and I need to stake this. I don't help you. I can't tell you your talents. I can, I can guide you, you know, through the process, says. Even when we work coaches in my field, we always say you can't tell someone what they are. You have to teach them how to discover. All you can do is affirm what the what they're discovering about themselves. Now for the person who believes they don't have an ability or does not maybe they don't have the confidence. Again, that a confidence issue. It's a confidence issue that often the problem is that they assumed that if something is a talent, then they should be at the top of their game. No, your talent makes you natural. For most people, your talent makes you naturally average. I say that again your talent makes you naturally average. With skill and practice you can take that average quickly to excellence. Everybody's born average. Everybody, I'm sorry, nobody came out of the womb perfectly formed. Here working on even Motart, even more tidy in the famous Einstein the famous genius is their genius still have to be developed, even though they developed it...

...at much younger ages. So we all come out average, but your your average, is unique to you. That's why. That's where it becomes a talent. It's unique to each person. Do you equate the word talent with gift and calling? Yeah, and calling as well. You know the especially in this circle's Christian circus, the word calling is thrown out a lot and then someone may feel so go ahead, gifts, talent abilities, same thing, just semantics. Calling is how the gifts are used, not the gifts. Calling is how the gifts are used. So you may be called to be an I mean and unfortunately, and I use the term unfortunate for a reason, because in the Christian world we there's the misconception that a calling is restricted to, you know, Christian work. I'm called to be a past I'm called to be a missionary, no, a calling. You can be called to be a business man. I can be called to be an accountant, you can call to be a musician, you can be called to be a pilot. This is what you've been called to do. It's what you send that man. This is my life purpose. What do you do each day now? So, what is what takes up the bulk of your day when you're not writing a book in particular, how do you? How are you? How do you define your job in your work? Huh, they're fair. Many things. I do many has when I'm not writing. When I'm not writing, I am calling. I have a program that I partner with colleges to help the them coach the alumni who are five plus years, you know, Post College and I've been in the workforce for a while and I dissatisfied with their jobs. College career services teams don't have the time to go in depth with those alumn you know, this category, category of alumni. So I spend time in that cold calling schools and introducing my program. You know, different colleges are different levels. Some are Georgia Tech and Merca University. Our clients and where, you know, we're coaching the alumni. We have other colleges that are still in the pipeline exploring and figuring out how to implement this. So I do that. Like I said, I am still involved with the graphic design business and so every you know, when I am needed, I will handle some business for that. I we over see, we have to do our books, anything related to accounting. Constantly brushing up on my coaching skills. Something else I do parttime is Executive Communication Coaching for a company called speech works, and so the Times where I travel, and even though I're not traveling now because of Covid but that I have seasons in the year where, you know, that takes up some of my time as well, where we go out to corporations to teach executive communication skills. Is Your program specifically, or who is your program specifically geared towards? Which Program The career coaching? Career coaching, are you even jumping back into high school as well, or even earlier? I don't do high schools, or earlier. There are other coaches that use the highlands ability batteries that specialize in that. I focus on people who have been in the workforce five plus years.

Is there a room? I have a few parents. Is there a reason? Because that's the audience my book and my content targets. So, based on the on the assessment, I developed a four week coaching curriculum, a four week class. It's done very zoom and so I target people who have been a outside work for a number of for these number of years they've developed skills that we can harness strategically. Their needs are just different. They've been in the workforce and they felt that frustration of not being happy with their jobs. That I can relate to because I felt the frustration of not being happy in my works. There people who really you know who work with college students, that people who work with high school age students. That's just not my target audience. It's funny because I worked with some of them. Yeah, but they're not my talk at Audia. It's funny coming from Canada myself and then moving to Korea where the student I think maybe in maybe an upper class citizens in Canada United States, they plan their children's education from a very young age. They know exactly where they're going to go. In Korea that's that's more the norm. So families will move to specific cities and towns to get their kid into this elementary school because that elementary school leads to this middle school in that middle schools to that high school and then universities. Not even the biggest thing. It's getting into those good middle school high schools and that allows you. They they relax in university. Middle School High School is the stressful time of studying six, seven days a week until twelve o'clock at night and up at seven, like up at six. Wow. Cool. So I'm just thinking from that perspective and you get a lot of people that they're going to school for that job that their parents have told them is good for them. And the idea of joy, and I'd like to know your idea of joy in the workplace, I think is largely lacking over here. In Asian countries. It is. I've just based on on my research, that the culture. It's the right right task oriented, very much so right task oriented. And so who know, who knows where that how that came about? Younger generations who have spent time in the West more open to yeah, I want to explore maybe in the maybe the Western society has been a the liberal arts expression may have been fluential in that. I've been influential in that way of thinking. But I see it as it's quite common in Asian societists to be even even even those of them, you know, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans who live here. You know there's that okay, you went to this school, this is where you're going to study, and I've coached a few who are like man, okay, I was on this path to be, you know, a doctor or a scientist or one. I think there's want a lawyer and at some point they realize that, man, that's that's not what I want to do. Yeah, that's a while. A lot do go to North America is to get away from that idea in the mindset. How do you define? Where do you place joy in the workplace or within the person WHO's working having a joy for what they're doing? And where is that balance? I don't. I don't use the term joy because of just again for me, for my cro from my Christian background, because joy is is, I don't know you're how much about your audience, but again,...

...this is just me. Is from my Christian faith. Joy is is a spiritual gift. And so you can be in torment and crisis and going through the worst thing. But there's joy. Joy is not happiness. Happiness is based on okay, a good thing has happened, and you know, my emotions reflect that. Joy Is this constant elevated emotion of peace, satisfaction, gratitude, you know, feelings of safety, regardless of what is happening on the outside. So with what I do I am focused on satisfaction and fulfillment. Yes, work satisfactor work fulfillment. In America the term they use is engagement. Are you Ain Gaged at work? And so it's the that's the that's the index I use. People who are not working in there with their talents for the most part will not be satisfied at work because, even though they may enjoy the environment, enjoy the people they with whom they work, the actual work they do is not fun, you know, and so it they're just using this for to earn a paycheck. On man that is some that's not a fun place to be. So I guess a better question is is how essential is it to have job satisfaction and engagement with your job in is it required at all times, or is there a satisfaction you can get outside of your work that can balance that out for you. Yeah, you know, I get that question question a lot, and my rest my comeback is you can, you know, play the traditional mindset of a job is a job and you need to be responsible and go earn and take care of your family. When you work in a job where you are not satisfied five days a week, you spend two days recovering. That says get assis Friday. It's try. Oh No, it Monday's Friday. You know it's Friday day and you spend two days recovering from your misery of the last five days, only to go back to go repeat the same thing for the next five days the week after that. When you work in a job where your talent I engaged and you are fulfilled, you work harder, you are more productive. By the end of the week you are spent, but you spend your Saturday and Sunday recharging. So it's your choice. You can choose to recharge or choose to recover and most, which would you rather do? Recharge. Most people are recovering, will st are. Most are most on any what is most difficult about your job? In what you do, in trying to encourage people, try to direct, trying to direct people and even in your writing and doing other businesses. What is most difficult for you in your work? My work as a coach, I find a find sometimes that what I find at not tire if it's if it is most difficult, but for me it is very frustrating at times where people go through my coaching program I do for there's some people that that don't have the time to do the going to the Cohort, the Group coaching session and they want one on one and so some of them, you know, regardless of Group coaching, a one on one coaching, they go through it, they see what they can do with the outcome, but because they're in a job that still requires that day...

...to day attention, they get busy and they don't implement, you know, the transition strategy we put in place. And so I've had people reach out to me a year, a year and a half after going to the program and say, Hey, I need help like you need help with what you already happened to you know, and so I thought, I understand, and all I keep telling people is that, yes, I understand that you are busy, but understand that you will always be busy and you have to intentionally carve out the time to implement the strategy you put in place through the program this lead well into a question I had for you about lifelong learning. Where do you see that in the individuals life and how they make best use of their time? I think we should all be learning. I think it's John Maxell that said, if you're not learning, you're dying. Should we should. You know, the brain is the I think the brain and the ear the only two organs that can that don't stop growing, and the brain grows by making new neural connections, not by growing as a mass. We should be learning. It's critical. It's critical no matter what you do. It's funny, and probably you can attest to this as well as some of the people online who are taking covid, taking advantage of covid in learning, doing something new, finding some you know, discovering their talents, in making the best use of their time learning something, while other people, a lot of other people, you know, sad and depressed, thinking the world's going to end and nothing's ever going to get better, and there's those mindsets that need to be challenged. Yeah, at the beginning of the I think I would. I think I wrote this in March, a April, I wrote an article on Linkedin called, I think I said, it's reset, don't rest, I think that was the title of it, and encouraging people to use this time, because at that time we all, we all had this notion that this would last just three months. You know, I don't know why I thought that anyway, but we all had this notion that okay, three months and things will be fine. And I was like use this time to reset and not rest. And for me, one of the way I reset was I wrote the book. I said to myself, I must come out of this time with this book something. I mean, I had content and all that, but it was now pull it all together. And because my pretty much my income, I mean I'll be frank with you, my income had gone down about ninety percent because I wasn't coaching people. Nothing was happening. So I had the time. You know, I have the time. And then many people who who I know, use this time well to either I read to their business, you know, read them something, come up with a new offering. A lot of people really use this time. Well, you can moan, complain about what was going on, or you can, you know, sit down and ask yourself, okay, what will I get out of this? What will I learn? What will I do? What would I change? We all deal with the emotional stress or the you know what they called the periodic depression of like man, when the heck will this end? Sometimes you look at your you know you're savings depleting and all that. I like what's going on, but you should focus on the things you can control. Seize the moment. You know, if you see the moment, Cup with him, you know, sees the day. Do what...

...you can. If I focus on the things that I cannot control, it makes my situation worse because I can't control it. But when I focus on doing the things I can control, it gives me a sense of filment, achievement and with if you if you look at it from the standpoint of you know, farmers. So when things are sort of in the in the dead season, okay, but if you're planting during the growing season, you're too late. You're too late, and so that would that's that's the attitude I like to take. Okay, in this dead season, grow, grow, learn, adapt, switch, change, transform, because once things kick back up, those who have built them muscle, those who have built up will be ready to engage the people who are ready to work. and to some people who may be listening this may seem like upper shelf type stuff, but things as simple as going out with your revising your resume right, joining a Linkedin, walking around to a local business and just seeing about another job. Just you know, there's people writing books and doing blogs and podcasts and all of that, but some of the lower level stuff, or simpler stuff or first initial step stuff are just as important for someone to get going and to keep going and developing those muscles. Knave it like you. I like it if you before I were runny. You talked about your resume. Yeah, you know, look at your resume, but I think I wrote, I wrote about this in my first book, what I call the curse of your resume. A lot of people are cursed by their resume because you get a job out of college and you develop skills to be successful in that job and at some point you realize, oh, I don't like this job, I need to get another job, so you brush up your resume, but the skills you list in your resume at excuse you. You know the job that you we want to leave and so you get offered a similar job with what with more benefits, more pay, and you're like Whoa new job, and the cycle repeats itself. And so what you're doing is you're getting better, you're becoming more efficient in a career that you don't like. Just Care, sorry it, it just kind of over. So I tell people review a resume, but more than that, take the time to, if you want to, do you know that, look back at your between age one and ten, or use an assessment that helps you uncover your natural abilities and then rewrite your resume to reflect how you have used your natural abilities in the positions you've held, because what it does is that it's thoughts to create a narrative. If you're telling somebody that I am strong in this because I am wid this way you want them to see how the strengths have been used in the different positions you've help. I think I've I heard you say something along the lines and I'm kind of revamping it with not to make up better, but rather than saying, look at the rocks that I've been, you know, bringing from one job to another. Look, I'm a good rock get her, you're you're polishing the diamond. You're cutting the diamond that you go rather than just the rock itself for refining the oil, and doing that you're bringing it over, not just saying I dig oil, I dig rocks. Look, I'm going to do it over here, but look at the things I've purified and look at the things I've accomplished through my digging. Yeah, or...

...even the efficient when which I've been able to transport the rocks. One point it, two point B. I love logistics. I'm not just kind of it. Absolutely. What is, rather than asking your joy that you have in your job? What is this satisfaction that you do get? What is a way that you're so engaged in what we're part of? That brightened your day when you experience that with other people? Oh, one when I love that the the Aha moments when people start to see and identify something that they've done for years as is a talent they did not know was a talent. Because, again, you can't hide from how you are wired, but you just see it as okay, it's what I do. Some people are not even outware, they just do it. It's almost like a fish in water, fish does not know it's in. What that to you take it out of water. And so when people have that identification of man, okay, this is something unique about me, there's a shift in how they see themselves. That's one. The second thing that really gets me excited is when I get a letter or a note from a client who has gone through the program. They've implemented the things we talked about and they are now in that job. The difference from where they were and where they are now it's like, you know. So for me that that is my satisfaction. In some that just brings me so much fulfilling in some ways, if you see them through your program it's like children growing up and graduating. Yeah, you're doing it. Yeah, yeah, it is. As a speaker, as a coach. What is something that people do not understand about the work that you do that you would like them to understand, whether it's a difficulty or just, you know, just so they could have a better understanding? What is something people probably don't understand? So if someone wants to be a speaker, someone wants to be a coach and they can understand this, that might help them get the right foot in the in the right order. HMM. Interested I think more being a speakers than them being a coach. It's still a business. Yeah, and often I know so many people who have talked about, you know, going into professional speaking, people who are toast masters and they want to get into professional speaking and they get into it and encounter the business side of speaking and there's, you know, like any business, you need your marketing strategy, you know, cold calls, your administration, your follow up and there's just so much to do beyond the actual getting up in front of an audience to speak, you know, or or getting you know, getting this group to coach. There is a business and a lot of people under estimate what it takes to develop that business process. Yeah, yeah, I still I still cold call. I still I mean about an hour and a half ago someone slammed the phone on me. Yeah, it's the nature of cold calling. But am I going to take that personally? Know, the person does not know me. Yeah, I obviously interrupted their day and so, Hey, click, not going to I won't let that damp on my mood. But some, a lot of people can't take that and because they still don't see that there's a business aspect to this. For I like to as we tone things down here, yeah, is think about people who...

...are not working, maybe students or people just out of college five years or so. Someone not liking their job, not realizing their talents, someone forgetting. You know their motivation as to why they work. What advice do you bring to the table for them? I say the first thing you want to do is discover your natural abilities, discover your talents. If you don't have, you don't have, if you can't afford to pay to work with a coach. Start with looking back from you know it's when you are between one and twelve, one and ten. Sorry, it won't a ten. That's the age of innocence. You are simply manifesting how you are naturally wide. So think back to how you like to play. What Games were you playing often? And then, if you have, if your parents are still alive, or siblings or relatives, you know people who are then your childhood, get on the phone and ask them, Hey, when I was a kid, what do you remember about me? What did I like doing often? What was it? What were the things that stood out? And just stop making notes. You'll be amazed at how much you would learn and a few things will recur. You start to see a recurring pattern and once you see those recurring patterns, those are most likely the natural abilities. I call them sparks. And then the question you now have to start to ask yourself it's okay with these sparks. How do they show themselves up in my life today as an adult, regardless of where you are, being in a college, high school or in your s. How do these sparks show up today? Can I develop those spots? And then, with these sparks or these things that I have that I see, what can I make of them in a job? How do I use them in a job? How do I, you know, shoppen them? What skills do I need to develop to use these abilities? It I'm thinking of from one to ten, and maybe I can attest to this too, is if you're asking other people family and they recognize something, it's a good relationship builder too, is it not? As is, you're talking and you're rediscovering something about yourself. When you were younger, you're more innocent time and people bringing things in and maybe getting past of things that you've done along the way. They got you off path. But now you're bonding and developing with people a relationship, trying to get to the core of who you are in your natural talents, which, as you said, with your wife, is, you know, a good thing, especially when you're working together, and it wasn't the best of situations in that way. So you're developing in your building with one another. Ken A. Yeah, yeah, it, it can be. It can be here. Is there? Is there anything else that you would like to say or add that would be of benefit, or even just something that off the top of your head? I know you have find the sweet spot. You have DNA. You have another book coming out. Is there? So the books, so my book, the books, that one finding your sweet spot. Yes, the second one is DNA of talent. We don't know the title of the third one, but it's it's about working in your purpose. We should the goal is to publish and have it out in December so that people can read it in preparation for two thousand and twenty one. But my heartbeat. Two people, to your listeners who have as listening to this, is know that you are a unique being. There's no other you. You've never been alive. On the day you die, you will never be alive. You are...

...alive at this time for reason within you are certain gifts and abilities that everyone around you needs. The question is, will you take the time, make the effort, the investment to figure out what your gifts are and how you are meant to serve your community with those gifts and abilities? We need what you have. The world needs what you have. You're not just some you know, massive DNA and blood roaming the earth. Your you are unique being, and for me that is just so that you know pounds heavy within me. Figure out how you are wired, so that you can live the life you are supposed to live, because it's it's your life, it's it's your gift, it's and and we need it. It's relieving to know we have a purpose and there we're not just floating around aimlessly with it no purpose. A couple more questions, though. How do you rest? What do you do in your rest when you're not working, when you're not thinking about work and encouraging other people to work, and what do you do to rest? Well, that's interesting. And now with with with Covid, because I get a lot of time. Well, I'm not how I've put it. With with COVID. I'd say you have to we have to be I have to be intentional about resting, because laying down and, you know, watching mindless TV in the past used to be aware of rest. Some people might sale a while. This guy, I thought this guy was smart. Well, Hey, I'm just being honest. I sit at that time. I just lay down on the couch and to out. We live in the suburbs of Atlantan. Sitting outside in my backyard. We've got a nice green space. That helps me rest. Being with friends where we're having an engaging conversation helps me rest. So this I'm talking about like brief moment of rest and the you know again post Covid, taking time off, going into the mountains for you know, three days, four days. That for me is a big way of just decompressing, going into not into the north Georgia mountains, but now with Covid, I mean I run. I'm a runner. That's a way I blow offt team. I run and the few times we have to just chit chat with our neighbors. That also helps me. I love running. Running has been something my whole life. It is you in the road or you in the trail, you in the path. It's nice to have a little MP three or something going on, but Kennie. Funny enough, I like I hate running with a lot of people talk about. I don't like running with music. I want to hear everything and being touched with my environment. Yeah, I have one of those weird one. Know, it's nice to I do that on occasion. I have like an audiobook or something that I go through. A couple more very short questions. Can a yeah, how has work brought you through life? So, thinking back as far as we went, back to your college days and you know, Your Business Plan not going so well, and then all of your jobs ever since, how is work been a constant in your life? It's always been that. It's been there for different reasons. There were times where I work was just that as hey, I need to be responsible, I need to, you know, earn an income. All I am earning this income, but I know I am capped here and I need to figure out how to earn more.

So it's work has played different roles in my life till, I guess, after the book came out in twenty twelve, where I now got into speaking professionally. Where now, okay, it was no longer working for income or working to be responsible, now working to fulfill my purpose and once I hit that does a big, big, big, big, big transition for me. Kne How can I have one more question? But how can people reach you? How can they find you? My website is talent revolution dot M. Talent Revolution Dot me. Reach out. I have a contact form. If you want to send me an email. Can a Kane at talent revolution dot me. That's great, and you can subscribe here and hint that notification as well. One final question, sir. Yeah, why do you work to fulfill my purpose? Short and sweeten to the point, Kane. That's it. I'm going to butcher it, but please be gracious with me, as you have been, Kane. Just me. You haven't been the first, you will not be the last. It's amazing. Sometimes I go I'm invited to speak to a corporation, I'm on this big stage and the person introducing me, they've practice, practiced, I was to get up it on stage. They butcher it and it I'm like, I laugh it off and I say hey, if you die, so I'll take some time to go ahead. As a professional, as a professional speakers, I have, you know, a start up for when the person gets it correctly and I have an opening for when the person butchers it, so I don't make the person feel awkward and the audience is not, you know, awkward. So don't worry about it. Well, I understand. I I always go back to when we got my friends and I got pulled over by the police and he's I'm like, he's what's your name? I said my name is Brian Vashers. He goes all of us, or he is astor is, and he knew it better than I knew because it's a French name, and like okay, you got it right. So kine Elo and your shape. There you go close the getting closer, getting better. Do say this ten times and you'll be you'll be good. I've said it many more than that. Thank you, kind sir. You've been great and I hope people go find you and read your new book that will be titled When it comes out. Yeah, thank you so much for this and I really commend you on what you are doing and your commitment to doing this. I mean in the short time you've been up, so I've gotten the number of podcasts. That's that's huge. If you don't know, many people who start podcasts don't have as many as you. You've had in the in one month. So I have a gracious job. Well, dont a gracious wife do it? I share or she just pushing you off to find my talent? But in the other one of the other hayname. Have you seen head that? There's the there's the ad, there's a stead, I don't know. I mean if you how much you see of TV ads from the states, there's a famous state farm ad. Jake from state farm. I know the state friend and as there's a famous on about the guy who's downstairs, you know, late at night, talking on the phone, and his wife comes down and she's like who you talking to? Who you talking to? And it looks at has like Jake from state farm, and she's like give us up phone, I don't believe you're talking to a girl. And she grabs the phone. What's your name? And he's like Jake from state farm. What are you wearing? Khaki pants and a rich and so if your wife have a wonders what...

...you're talking to, you know late at night, it's let I go watch you. It's always my podcast. I got it up there. I say, honey, yeah, watch, I don't have time. But then it makes me understand that not all people have time to watch podcast. They did not as much as I wish they had. No, no, thank you, kind sir. I won't butcher. I will butcher it again so so they goes in someone else's brain. Kane Elo and yo she. Thank you, kind sir, and for all of your work. Thank you. Thank you very much. Stay in touch, okay, and thanks for having me. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian v be sure to subscribe, follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive, be a joyful day in your work.

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