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Episode 103 · 1 year ago

#103 Joey Onley - Weather Forecaster - BrianVee WhyWeWork

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Joey Onley is a man of many trades, skills, and talents. Joey is a weather man, musician, fire fighter and practical mountain man.

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Interior Weather & Wilderness Watchers
https://www.facebook.com/groups/interiorweatherwatchers

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linkedin.com/in/joey-onley-89866468

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Joey Onley Outlaw Band
https://joeyonly.wordpress.com/videos/https://joeyonlyoutlawband.bandcamp.com/album/no-more-trouble-in-the-peace-2016-2

Welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice which would be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here is your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today at the great pleasure of speaking with Joey. Only Joey is a Canadian weather forecaster. He is a talented musician, and he's a passionate firefighter. Actually. He's just a General Mountain man. He's a man of many trades today. I want to find out from him how we can enjoy nature more as we live these busy lives. Join me today in my conversation with Joey on Lee. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Joey on Lee. Good day. Fine, sir. Yes. Hello. Thank you for coming on here, Joey. I know. As I said in the introduction, your overall mountain man Busy man. I think So you have many trades. You have many abilities. Would you be able to give us an idea of kind of the the industry that you're in and some of the things that you're doing now see, that's that's the funny thing is, uh, I'm really in no industry in some ways, right? I've been selling firewood this winter in the summertime. I worked as a firefighter for a while, then firefighter among all First Nations crew, um, trauma Medic. But I'm not really working for anybody right now. I am a local firefighter, a training officer with our department here in Wells, in our smell, little small little community of 253 other people out in the backwater of the mountains here been able to sort of get by as well as I can. And it's not always that easy, but yeah, that's how it is, Right? So there's ah, there's work that you do for an employer, and then there's, like, just work you do. And, uh, so I fit into that category a lot these days, and but yeah, I work, That's the thing. And and all these different trades and talents come in handy. whether it's ah, my radio reports for C for radio and Prince George, or are my own podcast I've been putting on here now or just my history is a musician of my song writing history, which, uh, means once in a while I get, uh, some royalty check here and there. So, you know, we all these little fingers in all these different pies that, you know, in the past, I've been, uh, a radio deejay have been a newspaper editor. I worked at a zoo. You go back, I'd like to even start from the beginning, and then we'll work our way back into the things that you've been doing. So since you are a man who does what you do, right, the work that you do. When did all this start? When did you get your first job? What was the first thing that you did? Maybe as a teenager or even pre teen? Um ah. Lot of my first jobs were social work, jobs, and things like that has got, um Well, I don't know. They did. It's not that exciting. I mean, just summer jobs and whatnot is a but, you know, getting into university and whatnot. So but then again, like even as a young person is that a Dutch farm kid, You know, there is animals to feed. There was work to be done. There was, would to get in. There was school to do, right so that we just there's always that busy nous of being busy. And I think like the most important thing for me is, uh, funny in my life, the sense of being productive in one way or another and and chasing that productivity wherever my creativity leads it. So I mean, yeah, this I finally got this brand new computer and I finally have a computer that I can actually do video editing with, And I'm I'm taking my creativity to this different level after, Like I say, I've had this this There's very bizarre long trip through the through planet Earth here, right, where if I just give you a list of all the different kinds of jobs I've done here and there and everywhere it's, you know, it a lot of people would just e don't want to go through all of the jobs. But I do like the idea of when people first start their motivation. And then they're kind of the motivation of why...

...they're doing things now. So we get the book ends of some of the careers that people are living. So as a Dutch Dutch farm boy you worked at probably pretty young, right? 89 10 somewhere around there? Well, yeah, I mean, there's there's even younger than that became jobs and things to do that. I mean, one of the first things I can recall ever doing was ah, that was useful to the farm was back then. We didn't have ah, round baler. It was a square baler. And so you have to have someone come along and pick up the bales and and throw on the wagon. So the tractor that's driving the wagon is going, you know, two kilometers an hour and first year. And of course, the aunts and uncles, they they could pick the bales up their strong, So I was gonna say I did. This is a six year old you're throwing that. Were you throwing them up? I'm like you are a mountain man, you know. Recognize them on the truck, right? Put the six year old kid on the seat of the tractor in first gear. Oh, you were driving the tractor. Oh, you're better job than I did. You feel like you're doing something pretty awesome until Until you're old enough. Toe lift the bales. Enjoy it while you can. Yeah, so that's great things different these different kinds of talents. I mean, I've been lucky in some ways other people haven't been. I don't know that. I mean, that might sound wrong. I have this this big creativity in this big, just constant fascination with things. And I'm just always involving my things and in way subtly at the same time. I lived a fairly slow life up here in the mountains. So it's, you know, it's sort of bizarre that way when you're a firm boys. So when did you pick up music, then? Because you sent me some of some of your songs. You're very talented. Your your lyrically literate right? You just have a way with words. When did your when did your passion or your You know, when did you start picking up in instrument? Or when you start singing? I guess one of the things with my family that, you know, again a bit of an exceptional circumstances that my opa my grandfather, um, he's been a church organist now for almost 80 years. He's always played in the church, and he's very good, and he could play accordion quite fantastically. And my Uncle Gary, he's four years older than me. Um, he could play piano from the time he was a kid underneath the piano, my mother, a choir director and my Uncle Frank play piano sing. And so, with this family, the mom for four or five years of my childhood, our small town, Madoff, Ontario she It was with a man named you who owned the Made up Music Center. So her and you ran the music stores. So there I was, running around, picking up. Then, of course, being a left handed kid. Eventually, you know I wanna bay. I want an instrument. I want a guitar, mom. And she says, We're going to get you a right handed base like right hander basis like you're not gonna learn how to play left handed because you'll thank me someday. And that's true. Every guitar I c, I could pick up a play. No, no. Bizarre. Yeah, the left handed guitarists, but, uh, you know, And then I learned to play drums, both hands. So certain instruments, it doesn't really matter. But I have that struggle with my own kids now, because they're immersed in the world of music as well, Right? So poor Willow. She Yes. She wants to play fiddle and everything left handed, but it's not. It doesn't shape that way. All right, poor kid, she'll get. Yeah, she'll get there. You mentioned university. So as you're coming up through high school, was there any particular job that you had for a period of time? Nothing specific in that way. You know, just I guess my short attention span in my high creativity have always kept me going from place to place to place. So, um, for some people, they get a career, and they kind of stick with that. Pursue that. And for me, I've always been able thio find ways, and I don't know, I have I own this bizarre mountain lodge. Yeah, something about about the way I've done things has made sense. But, you know, I've had to really work to her and that I didn't I didn't get music. I didn't get a record label I didn't get. I didn't apply for grants with bar music like we went on the road and we played 2000...

...shows. And, you know, we played. We played. When did you start your band? The Joey. Only after maybe five years of solo playing in which it was never really my plan to be, um, to take that anywhere. I just I play guitar on my side, you know, I thought I was a bass player, the drummer. And, you know, I didn't have fancy myself to be a stage presence as a singer, unnecessarily right. But I got sort of thrust into that position. And then I guess finally I was up in the Yukon playing, uh, you know, over 15 years ago, Well, over And, uh, I just ended up having ah band the whole time I was there, like couple, couple musicians I knew there who play together a lot. I just loved it so much after after a month, I was like, Man, I want my own country band. I went back to Vancouver, had founded that nobody in that city dio what country music was much less how to play it. So then I had toe find some musicians and teach some of them on and they they taught me in return. We wanted this epic kind of traveling Canada getting Thio. You know, in some ways I'd say live the dream, and, uh I mean, go figure. Ah, kid from poverty who's, uh, died went to prison. It's not like I come from some. I'm not a trust fund kid. I just I just followed my bizarre fascination wherever it was pointing me. It led me to work at the safe injection site in Vancouver. They had led me toe working underground mining. It's led me Thio, Thio, cowboy jobs of all sorts. So yeah, I just now I'm selling firewood right now, but my truck broke last week, so I mean, I'm in trouble this next week, we're gonna see how that works. Yeah, I heard you mentioned the weather is is a little bit unusual this year, so not as many people are buying firewood. Um, no, that's not the case. It's still I mean, here in Wells, it's were 4000 ft above sea level and and it's it's serious Mountain country here, and we're quite far north, even compared to most of the rest of where people in Canada live. So we're still having a winter here. Now, we haven't had a minus 30 to minus 40 snap, which has been nice, but I guess with my my YouTube videos and whatnot I promote with for interior weather. Wilderness watchers of bad weather is good for business. I like to say so. This last this There's snowfall warnings all over Southern B C right now. And everyone who loves to ski and loves the snow is excited about it. Uh, that it what was ahead with this? Yeah, I just the the truck Your truck broke down and I was saying and you said you were in trouble. So I said that the weather, maybe you weren't selling as much. Wood is recent, but Right. So, yeah, I got a tangent there. Yes, but it's still Yes. It's what? I was gonna say it right? It was that bad weather is good for my my Facebook group. So, uh, all this snow has got my videos in my post buzzing the sauce. Judy's? What brought you to Wells? Um, just my life of being a musician traveling around. I ended up finding it by accident, and I didn't find it like there's a There's a festival here that's quite famous. Called the arts. Well, it's festival, And, uh, it wasn't really a thing at the time I first came here, I was playing music. Cornell when I said some people, they're like, Is there mountains nearby? We can climb so well out in wells like Well, what's that? So I came out here and hike to the top of Mount Marine and looked around and said, Yeah, this is Scoop. Come and which is what does that mean? School. Come scoop of hats. Awesome foot eso It's a B c. Native word on. Uh, yeah. So was that a complete that number two completely different than what you're used to. Wells growing up. You mentioned you? Well, I had sure, but I mean, I've already been in BC for a number of years and and I have been amount near through through much of my my life. Right? So it wasn't like the climate or the terrain or what was here was anything that I wasn't, uh,...

...expecting. So what ends up happening was while staying Quinnell that summer and playing some of those gigs, My buddy and I wrote a song called Smells Like Quinnell because there's a pulp and paper mill. Quinnell smells like the pulp and paper mills. You know, it's kind of a funny song. But then the organizer of the festival, you heard the song and so we have to get that guy at the festival so that came to festival is like right on, like I really like this town and I was second time here, and then I came back the next year to play the festival the next year after, and I took a real trip into the mountains at that time and it said, Yeah, there's nobody out here. This is no part. You know, it's Oh, in the deep Caribbean Mountains just over yonder. Here it's It's a fantastic as anything you'll see in the Rocky Mountain parks. Except there's there's just nobody out there. It's You just gotta know how to get there and have the know how on the grit and tough and smarts and the truck and there's all that wilderness to play in. So when we've seen this place for sale, we finally made sure we could get a hold of it. So you have a lodge there. Is it? Yeah, it's Ah, it's a dilapidated old building. In some sense, it used to be the lumber depot here, back in the old gold mining era, and now it z slowly been fixing it for for 12, 13 years, right, making it non condemnable. And it's a cool That's 12,000 square feet. How many people have that? Ah, lot of it. It upstairs is like a big open barn. That's okay, that I still have lots of cool stuff in the bar in the woodshop. Hey, whatever, right? So it's It was a cheap building that required everything to be dealt with, but it was a great life investment that, you know, a few of us, a few of us made together. What do you find that people who live in bigger towns, cities are really missing about nature? What is it that we're just not getting? And we, you know, I know you got a new computer and you don't mind technology so much, but there's a lot of people out there, including myself. We could get sucked into watching this or that or going downtown in this busy city life of subways and taxis and all this stuff, What are we missing by not taking some time to get out into nature and maybe even considering living in it? Well, one of the the sad things I think for a lot of people who I observe when I've been guarding were out in the mountains with them is that you have to be trained how to really see what's out there in the first place. And, of course, everyone could get out there and say, That's a pretty mountain But there's there's so much going on on the slope of that mountain in the forest and in the weather above and in the ground below. There's so much actually happening and and what I find urban people are especially guilty of is there very trained Thio do not make eye contact, so what they do is they walk around. You know what? There there had sort of facing downward, and it's it's a dangerous way to travel, first of all. And secondly, you really missed the subtle details that are happening, right? So I've heard people, my friends of mine who lived down cities Say things like when you could you could never be unhappy. They got memes, right? You could never be unhappy and taking a walk in nature as they Well, you've never had to walk home with a sprained ankle. Like What do you mean? Like, I've been plenty unhappy plenty of times out there, but, you know, I just don't really mind all that much either. I mean, it is what it is, right? Well, the life I'm gonna live have to be tough about it. So I don't expect I'm bad for not telling anyone where I'm going or what I'm doing because I don't If I decided to stay out overnight or not, come back for a day or two. I don't want anyone sending a search party. I'll be fine. Eso you know, that's that's, you know, my relationship. It's not I'm not going and spending time with nature. I guess it's like I'm just hanging out in my home, you know, to me, the mountain is, uh so there's different spirits you can have when you're out there. You could mhm, you know, it could be a lot of but I've always felt more like the spirit of a...

...predator where my head is up my ears that opened. I'll stop and look behind me and I look up a lot of a danger three assessor in wildfires. So one of my you know what they realize your weather, man, you know, also, the guy was always looking up and you know a lot about trees. Maybe you should be the danger tree assessors because you had that scouting job of of and some might need a bro's on the crew, you know, if Rodney Rod couldn't are working together, you know, we just have this way without talking of moving and just taking it. Everything that's going on space, I just I see so often when I I'm out with people who don't spend a lot of time or don't have that association. There's a distraction that they just don't They can't fully turn off e mean, that might sound judgmental, but, um, that's my heart observance. As somebody who spends a lot of time in grizzly bear country, No dangerous. You're right. No, you're right. And there's one thing I observed, and I, you know, I live in South Korea in a big city, and I find my eyesight as getting into my forties is getting worse. It seems to be getting worse. So from reading something screen things driving down the road things or foggy. But if I go jogging or hiking in a mountain, I don't see blurriness. It seems like my eyes and I could be just totally out to lunch. But I think the natural light or whatever is going on there, it just seems like my eyes. This is where they belong, not in this sort of fakeness that I'm around all the time. It's the hardness of the objects rights. Everywhere you look is these hard lines that air, and that's that's very much the urban world. Whereas in nature, uh, if you see ah, hard line, it should stand out quickly. To you is, you know, the back of ah Boozer, something in the brush that has this hard hardness to its forum that doesn't quite belong and will catch my eye, you know, in nature, everything is is completely random and a shape in its form and how it grows, how it behaves. You know, there's these generalities that air kind of true, but you know, this animal tends to do this. But, you know, I've seen predators make meals of Berries and and heard of wolves snacking on grasshoppers. You know, nature has its own sort of tendency. Where is Ah, the urban jungle is very hard, bright, You know what I'm saying? And reflective of heat and light. And so, yeah, I mean, I find for sure the softness. Unless, of course, toe embrace sunny day here. But even then, the softness of of nature, that sense has its and also in the stillness. It's really good for your ears. And I don't I don't think most people these days are sit in silence and just allow the silence to be what it is right. And there's a lot to be learned in silence about yourself, but also just in every little detail around you in the mountains. So many things can kill you. People spend so much time worrying about the bears, the grizzly bears and whatnot, but it's actually so unlikely to be killed by a grizzly bear, and there's so many ways to die out there, and people do it every day, You know, if once in three years. Ah, Bear kills someone in candidates. It's a headline news story. People go out there and make those mistakes every day because they they don't have that focus of their vision and the ability to sort of have the empty mind of the predator of. You know what goes through the mind of the links When he's he's hunting the rabbit. It's not thinking about this and that at 123456 he's like 16 You know what I mean? And nose is open, Ears are open, eyes are open, everything is being taken in. He's a data gathering machine. He's not trying to project his vision of the world onto it. He's totally accepting the world for what it is and and missing nothing about what's happening around them. Yeah, I feel like people don't have that, you know. I call it a killer instinct. I don't mean viciousness or being bead survival. We met through the East Coast weatherman Frankie MacDonald. He's my...

...unofficial manager now, telling me Thio interview and your you have the West Coast covered, but I wonder your view of meteorologists who we see on TV And as you're talking about the man with the killer instinct with your nose to the ground, right, your your ears are perked. And you know what's going on because you're in the midst of it. What is the difference and not to knock meteorologist. But I think, Yeah, you have. Yeah, you have. But you have maybe an advantage. Maybe what? They don't have sitting behind their their desk and and reading reports. Well, you know, they have an advantage that I don't have to. So, um, this has not been kind of like eating it lately. When I've worked in mining in the past, E generally found myself in the geology department. And, you know, either is a geo tech auras. Ah, as ah, a prospector. So I work with the geologist or in the engineering department, I'd be the help of the surveyor. So I I knew how to run surveys and do surveys of all sorts and collect data. But he was the one that had the official professional stamp that he stamped on the paper. My relationship with some of the meteorologist, this province. And, you know, I pay attention to what they're saying and take very serious account of They're the ones who tell me the direction of things. Um, but on the other hand, I have my own way of speaking to the greater world. I have my own powers of observation of my own network of people reporting him what they're seeing. And I'm ableto form that my own forecast that air are pretty damn reliable. Um, so I like in that being the storm chaser or the storm spotter to being the Prospector, right? You you're not the geologist, but you speak their language. You know what's going on. And if you ever talked to good prospector, you know they'll blow your mind with what? They know it in a old Gary polish Chuck there, after 50 years of prospecting and being from a gold mining family, uh, there was not one kid who could walk through the university is a full scale, full fledged geologist that could tell him anything because they done. They didn't know, you know, like they know what the book said. So that experience is important, right? At the same time, um, it was often it's always the prospector who's ah, working in concert with the geologist, and it's always the storm chaser and spotter working in concert with the The Meteorologist. So it's It's not an oppositional. It's on oppositional relationship whatsoever. Um, sometimes people I mean, you keep plugging data into these models and the models keep changing and eso they're sitting way down there in Vancouver, 900 kilometers from here, guessing at which model wealth over the course of the night. Some something happened in nature to change some of the data a little bit. And what ended up happening was not what the model said was gonna happen. But I did have the advantage of sitting here on top of the mountain looking at the skies and, uh, well, okay, just seems like a B and C was gonna happen the next 24 hours. So I have that advantage of just being there. But also, when I make my forecast, like people really love my forecast in this province and rely on them and they say things that disturb me like you're you're better than the weatherman, and that bothers you because there it's a metaksa on science, and I can't accept that compliment because I'm not better than the weatherman. You know, I just have the advantage of, um So when I do my radio broadcast for Prince George tomorrow morning, it's one city, so I have to get some numbers. But can you imagine if our you're Joanna wags tough at CBC and you have to forecast for an entire province that's got so maney, micro climates and different kinds of terrain? I mean, that's a big, big project, and she's got to put a number on that town well, so that you can look at your phone in the morning because you don't know anything about weather and just see some symbols like it. So it's a sun shining symbol and it says chance of rain and it's got some numbers here. 25 degrees and a little of 15, you know, and then it gets up to 28 degrees that day. Well, she was wrong. So it's I'm able to be a lot more generalized because I'm usually...

...talking about the weather picture across the province in descriptive form and s o the group members really love that, because it's sort of making understand it. Over the years, people have been in part of it a long time, I've really learned to speak the jargon themselves and we keep going. And what is your group? Yeah, what is the group name? And when did this start? And how did it? Obviously, moving to Wells and having a desire to learn more about nature. And you're being happy and content there. You had a desire and a a passion for whether or how things change. When did this group start? And how is that going along? Like the love of weather? Uh, in science has been a lifelong passion. This is nothing new. E spent my life with my nose on the ground. Uh, the group I started its interior weather in wilderness watchers here in British Columbia. I started it in, uh, 2014 with just, uh, you know, 100 people I knew in the province, just kind of, you know, I had kind of hopes that maybe you'd become something someday, but and then it did, And I guess, to my dogs running around making or is it when, uh, you keep making spot on calls about things that come to happen that are seriously big fire seasons? I'm sitting here for a week saying like that Friday setups looking bad like it's not gonna be any rain, man. There's a lot of lightning coming and and for a week I'm saying this then and you know, the shares spread like wildfire once you're right on DNA. Next thing you know, your group keeps growing and growing slowly. Until recently, did nothing toe promote? It just kept, uh, putting up maps and and talk to them about what was on them. Finally, uh, group help me fundraise up this computer. And I started making YouTube videos and and I could I just see you know, this time not so long ago, where the weather group was small, Yeah, it got big And there was a time and no, not that I achieve superstar status or nothing like that with my music. But there was a time where I was sitting there thinking like, Well, what if I could meet Joe Keithley and Gord Downie and Buffy Sainte Marie? Someday people like that, then you know it all starts small and just keep being who you are following your passions, your love and and things will happen. If you build it, they will come If they don't will, you will. So, uh huh. How far is your geographical forecasting now, is it? In the immediate area is a B C. Is it across Canada now that you have a connection with Frankie So you might even be throwing some things towards his way? Um, I'm definitely with our show together. The Community Geological Report, which we film tonight in his uploading, Um, it's definitely targeted to be across Canada. Somewhat comical weather show. But for interior weather in wilderness watchers, I generally speak just to the what we call the interior regions of British Columbia. So non coastal BC, we do have quite a few people from the coast who follow what I'm saying and what not, But they have their own like they The whole point of the group when it started was, uh if you turn on the weather Network, they'll maybe mentioned Kelowna, Victoria and Vancouver and then move on toe Alberta, and talk about Calgary and Edmonton. But so for the vast majority, that's a humongous province. And there's just this vast majority of people who who work in the bush and garden and farm, and and I can play and spend all this time outside here, really living on the land one way or another. And, uh, they want to know really what's going to go on here? And it's been, uh, the mist ake of the major weather reporting services did not cover are smaller regions, do you? So we did that. You, with your new computer, you could probably get however you want. I mean, you have a great background there, which is just your natural background, but you can start doing your own weather forecast for those small places, and you could send out specific reports to specific towns if you so choose. That's exactly what started to happen. I mean, I have had this computer less than a week, so I've been just learning how to do video editing on my own. With that the corner Josh's help. Who's ah, technical wizard.

But I need to be able to sit down, grab my computer, go anywhere film, film a tornado in Alberta, bake a video and, you know, have it on the news you and they could will share with you. I saw that you you mentioned that reported the meteorologist for CBC was it. I saw that interview. So you're getting some traction now. So once you start getting that experience with your computer and putting that stuff up, there's nothing that will stop you. And I'm sure people love the fact how honest you are and your willingness to say I'm not gonna be so specific on something. But I'm going to give you the knowledge that I have based on the experience I have. Well, I love saying check your local forecasts or I like saying, putting context of things too, Like with the snow storms that are happening in British Columbia right now, tonight. Ah, lot of places air are experiencing rain, but you go up a couple 100 ft in elevation and snowing there. So what we have is ah, dangerous set up on the roads where slush and ice and things like that can conform, right? So it's putting those numbers into context for people like What does that really mean? Um, you know, you might see in the summertime Ah, thunderstorm icon and it says 90%. And when you see that you think okay, that means 90% chance of a thunderstorm. But when I see that I know what they're saying is like, you know, chance of bad thunderstorm. Yeah. Uh, so it's just putting that into context because we have these people who who work in the wilderness and they get up in the morning And there's no severe store mornings put out by Environment Canada yet the and they go off to the wilderness where there's no cell service or Internet for the day. So if there wasn't somebody maybe like myself saying, uh, by the way, like 34 o'clock this afternoon, uh, maybe a good time. Thio. If you hear some season dark clouds head for your truck, it park your truck on a clearing away from the trees, blah, blah, blah. All right, put context and dio what these things mean but also communicated to them before environment Canada, you know, releases their severe storm watches and warnings at 10:30 a.m. or 11:30 a.m. Whatever. Speaking of context, what is your context of where you live in that? I'm just wondering being a mountain man 4000 ft above sea level in British Columbia. How possible is it for you to live for how long? Without connection. And what is it you're able to? Actually you mentioned who? People that work and live and play off the land. How much of the land are you able toe work, live and play off without any necessary connection to be a mountain man? And how how long could you go without going to town to pick up something that you essentially need unless it's like medication or something? I mean, I've spent a month or two at a time of year. So it's then I think, with whats the matter was right now it could probably lost several months easily. Uh, everybody around here started shooting Moose. I don't know how many years would survive the apocalypse, but certainly quite good fishing and lots of Berries. And we do. Ah, you know, plants, some things in the garden. Certainly. I'd love to spend less at the grocery store, but at least a percentage of, uh you know what, though? Too much trouble. Ah, you know, in cutting our own firewood, her own source of heat whatnot, You know, a percentage of the things that we have that way we we do combined naturally. And you know, the less I have to see town the better. So what is a trip to town? What is a trip to town? A necessity For what? Where? Some things that you need to get well, when you live like this, you go when you stock up, right? You don't e think. You know every people have disability Thio. They want something they can call someone who will drop it off. Or they could go to any store they want, uh, and get such said Big. That lady was so great. Um so there's there's that sort of level of planning or just knowing how to live your life in a way that that when you go shopping, you gotta make sure you have or be able to live without it for a week or two or three. You have a long before you go back down to town. And that's, you know, a 90 kilometer trip down from the mountains and sometimes treacherous weather conditions and snow...

...and moose and logging trucks and and then you get to town. There's cove in human beings, and it was like, which is which is worse, which is worse than covert or the humans they come that they're hurt. Which foot is which? It's the same for everyone. I think e u You can go Thio concerts and whatnot there. Frankie was saying, Is that the case? Uh, South Korea's, uh, pretty relaxed these days. Every there's it, Zeb Inflows. But yeah, things were basically closed here, like five people could go toe one restaurant or something like that. Like that is, it is pretty bizarre. Yeah, I mean, it's it's shot right down your BC numbers. They're pretty, uh, pretty low. All in all, I mean, we have a had much of, ah, there's been a few small outbreaks in the North, but it's not been. It's not like looking at the United States and Joey pick a season for you. And what is a process? What is something that you go through in a week? I know you do different things during different seasons, whether they're busy or not. But what would be something that you do on a regular basis, say, over a week or even over a month's time? Just I like the idea of you being a mountain man. So what does the mountain men do in the summer and the winter or preparing for the fall. What is something that you do, right? Well, I mean, yeah, we could pick any season any month of the season, and you might get funny. So mhm. You know, January has been two or three times a week going out falling trees, selling a load of firewood to this neighbor, that neighbor, you know, Friday, you get the kids and the kids all weekend Sunday, you drop them off. Then it's the Frankie Show that night, you know? And then Monday morning, wake up and it's C for radio broadcast. Well, I got a couple of days trying to make some money, if I can. And then Friday's A C for radio broadcast enough to get kids. It's kind of this, you know, Woo little little circuit the discos and repeat summertime. Though it could be pretty excited because, uh, depending on how busy our fire crew is or if we're call on standby. One summer, there wasn't any fires. We just kind of sat around camp, got paid to do basically nothing on. And so I enjoy the fire seasons of the action much more. But the action seasons could be intense, you know, 14 straight days of very little sleep and going and far traveled it some crazy backwater location you no one else in the world could ever imagine going to. And, uh, I love those moments when, uh, you know, and seeing all the smoke and smells and looking around and saying the Yeah, here, this is cool. What is some satisfaction you get and some difficulties you get Being in the position that you're in the position I am is a firefighter or whichever just I'll say the mountain man, what is And I'm thinking not being okay. So yeah, the truck the four by four of my truck going this week was is a bummer because e Oh, I'm not exactly sure yet. I'm gonna try to find out in the morning was one of those things that when I finally got a home, I was mad and did look at it for the rest of day. It is not gonna be gone. Just walk away. So I got to deal with that in the morning. But yeah, I need the truck tow work, and I need to work car. Yeah, in the truck to make money, and I need money to make the truck. You work? Yeah. My big truck is really so much of, you know, And if I'm not fighting fire the summertime being the truck and whoever else alley or the kids, uh, we could be down any logging road in anyone remote reaching this area. And you never know. You know, there were panning for gold or shooting road chickens or catching fish or getting firewood or picking stones for the garden. Just always, ah, things you could do with with they would have a like, I guess the I've had folks for this tedious say to me like, it must be pretty boring up there and, you know, like nothing much to do there. And like, man, there's so much to do. Like, what are you talking about? In fact, it doesn't...

...cost us any money to do it Either way, I want to pay for parking when we go in the mountain, you know, $10 beers and I don't drink. But you know what I'm saying, right? All you need is, uh, the ambition to go spend time out there, not be all that scared of it. And the experience right each. You know, when you're you're younger, you keep pushing yourself a little bit further a little bit further, a little bit further. When you're well enough, you know the bound reason Just walk right along with the type. What is a skill you, over the last 15 years, did you say living there that you had Thio? How long have you lived in Wells? Uh, 12 years we've had this place. Now what is the skill that you have learned that you had to develop? Maybe just the idea of being so remote. One of the skills that got way better at in the last 15 years. It's falling trees, and it's a very dangerous and I mean that literally chopping, chopping down trees, which is known as falling trees, is that, uh, I like to use a chainsaw. It's how do you do? How do you How did you learn that? And how does one go about falling trees properly? I saw, like a video of one guy doing I don't know, Was it bananas or coconuts? And he was at the very top of it because it was weighed over so much and then he chopped off the top and the thing went swinging back over. That would be scary. I don't know much about cutting coconut trees, but actually in peace when, uh, should Well, it could have migrated here. Um, so usually make my front cut first. So I put my front cut in, you know, less than 30% of the tree, usually the way it s Oh, sorry. I thought I was my friend. Cut in and you know, it's here. And then I do another cut underneath, like so. So there's a wedge cut out of the tree and then s so it's kind of holding here. And then I cut in the back nice street line. And when I get to it so that the line is really tight, I stick some wedges in there. If it's not gonna go over, give him a nice tap till the tree, uh, sense. But often, if they got a bit of a lead to, um, I just let him go. Send him on over. But I mean, you have a phone a tall trees before BC, because we have these big, you know, big. They're not deciduous Conifers. Thes pines air. You know, lodgepole pines. They're very tall, very straight. Growing up in Ontario already have these more broadleaf trees. You can kind of cut them and send them because they're so top heavy. But with these ones there Hey, they can kind of do whatever they want if you don't, uh, cutting properly. So getting beginning really good at falling. It's something that a lot of people are intimidated. Bias is falling big trees. So they've seen some people cut out a rectangle a block, and then they put like, um, not a crane. What's the word? I'm looking for Jack like a jack Jack inside it, and then they pump it. That's it's a pretty interesting way to do it. E when you have a tree that 3 m wide, something like that makes required. Yeah, yeah, you know, all the ones I fall are about to 2 ft of the but so so you fall them and then you're cutting them off into back, um, into firewood or logs. Or so I mean, that's just another example right this fall. Also, I do far my pick up jobs on farms. I'm just one of those guys that Ah, lot of people you know, we'll give a shout to something you rather do something that you prefer doing. I'm loving doing this weather stuff more mawr. And, uh, I'm really hoping that my career is a radio. Whether man takes off What? What what tool do you like to use now that may be in the weather for the field of weather. What is something? You It's essential for you. Maybe it's something you used when you go out walking. I saw some of your videos. Your, uh, checking of the tracks. Is there some tool that you use? That's it's helpful for yours. So many tools. That's the thing. I mean, 10 different websites and check in on and understand what the data they present means. It's not just enough to see a weather report with the sunshine icons. I need to see maps with pressure lines and I need to snow. I need to see what the meteorologists sees. So there's that. But it's my eyes and my ears so much of the time, Really. I mean, I do have...

...some weather. Um, uh, instruments, hell, barometers and things like that. Ah, things you can use Thio find relative community or wind direction. I do own some of these instruments, but, uh, I mean Number one is just paying attention to every detail and not getting too caught up on one. You know it Z. It's seeing the bigger picture where you're going to start having success. Because you I have had the past where I get too caught up in one detail, and I really wanted to happen. And then it doesn't happen like, Well, that wasn't predicting whether that was just hoping. Yeah, so, no, we got Thio. You got to call it as it's happening. Not as you hoping what your preconceived notion is, knowing that you do the work that you do opposed to. As you said, people who find a career Do you have advice for people getting in starting a job, whether it's a kid throwing bales on a tractor or driving the tractor or doing some odds on end jobs or changing their career? Do you have a tip for people who are just getting into work? Well, I think you know, work hard and be honest and have solidarity with your co workers is really important. I don't think that that anything that makes you extremely miserable is worth it. No matter. You know, I'd rather suffer poverty than, uh, suffer a bad boss or unsafe working conditions or things like that. So, you know, knowing your rights is a work or and knowing what you will put up with them won't put up with, um, finding things that you're passionate about working on them. Not everyone is gonna start their own thing. And some people are really happy to just do this one job, this other job. Uh, I'm im, you know, part of my mental man. Madness is Ah. If I had to work 40 hours a week at one job for 10 years, it would just destroy me. All the freedom and creativity and the energy have. And so you have to find, find a way that works for you and to play. It's gonna be hard worked about what? Will you do it? Do you think a lot of people are working the misery? I think a lot of people are. Yep. I think I think miseries a chronic problem right now in our society in general, I think you couldn't have a situation like United States just having without huge disillusionment, huge disenfranchisement, a huge amount of inequality, a huge amount of unfairness to the basic social set up. Uh, people are feeling that I used to find when I I talked politics with people you know, being going to Alberta, playing country music to a province that's that's very right, leaning on being very left wing myself. One thing I did pick up on there and was able to speak their language on it was man. People hate their jobs, their bosses, the traffic, the There's a lot of unhappiness right now. People are putting up with things they shouldn't have to put up with. And it's It's your one in life, man. It's your one chance Thio to live. This this beautiful thing that is the inside of you, right? So, yeah, you gotta you're gonna have to work hard. I don't know for whom you have to find that sometimes you have to just put up with something for a little while so you can get by into the next thing. But at the same time, Thio, when I've had some of my cool jobs, the past, like a CBC came and shot up a TV show here. I got hard to be production assistant, sir, and people say that How did you get that job? You know, maybe wondering if I had connections from which I kind of did through a music career. But, you know, I said, Really, it's just that, you know, I was one guy didn't already have a job. So it's like, it's It's like when you jump from girlfriend to girlfriend from two girlfriend, and but you're each time you're with one of these girlfriends when you really were in love with your whole life becomes available. And you, the Stokes, you settle for something that made you major life miserable to begin with,...

...right? So I don't know what that balance is. And we have this society where work is unequal and people are having a hard time finding full employment employment that pays the bills and and, uh, that security of like, I own my house now. And I made sure I didn't care if it was a rod to ability. We had just fixed for 25 years. It was ours, and we have to play that game in the morning and a lot of people you think about, you know, spending $40,000 on the old building like this. That's what some of my friends pay in one or two or three years of rent down in the city, you know? And you, you know, the solution isn't for everybody to move out to here. So I don't know what the solution for you is. Uh you have to find that out for yourself, what you'll put up with and what you love. But, you know, don't fall in the trap of being the You know, I don't want to pick on the the millennials or whatever, but the world doesn't really owe you anything either. So you know, you can't just sit and wait for it too much enoughto you have to put up with some things you don't want to do or don't like. That's life. You have a long time to live your life, so just keep nudging yourself to the direction you want to go on. Maybe some day you'll get there. Not only only people, just people you could say, like, follow your dreams, anything could happen. But, I mean, if you don't work towards it. If you don't believe in it, well, it's not gonna happen. No one's gonna make it happen for you. There's one of the reasons is because people are trying to get so advanced, whether it's technologically or emotionally, you're socially and we're getting away from where you are in nature. And you said, Not that everyone has to come here, but we're trying to get away from the old, the old farming house for the old ways of doing things. And it seemed, Do you think that's one of the reasons or possibility that we're trying to get so far advanced? We're just getting away from the simpler things. Well, no advancement is still good. I mean, are you know we can't turn our back on science and on on progress in that sense, but it's more about what is the meaning of life. And why are we trying toe make these advancements? And you know we've We've built networks of cities where people don't know their neighbors, and the neighborhood just set up so that you don't know your neighbor, and there's no central place. There's no community hub, so we've built a society that is disconnected and you go from your your bed to your cell phone to your car phone to your work computer tear. And hey, I I'm a computer user, too, so don't get me wrong. But this disconnect, uh, in the inability to slow, slow down, just slow down and, uh, let the world come to you a little bit. You may be ready. Point. I live here amongst a forest of apartment buildings. They're 15 to 20 story high, and there's just in this. They think some people think we live in the country that live in this area and in the middle of, say, six apartment buildings, this one little neighborhood of apartment buildings. We have the kids play area with a small I don't know, 20 by 2020 m by 20 m, patch of grass, and they're not allowed to play on it. So it was You said it, and I fought for a long time, and I fight every summer that No, I'm and I do play on it. But I'm like, this is the Onley place. These kids can come and because they're not allowed kids stay in and play games or watch TV. Yeah, you don't get those skills you don't get. And we're not allowed to just turn our Children loose the way I was as a kid. You know, I was born in the late seventies, so, you know, we're still allowed at that age a lot of us who, at least for rural, uh, toe walk up the door to be gone. And if we made mistakes and got hurt, you know, I can remember a few bad injuries, have a long ways to go and get back to those. Is that back then, Joey? Speaking of mistakes, is there any mistakes that you made that you've learned that air? They're helping you along your path with work and in your journey with life? Oh, yeah. You know, it was an alcoholic, So don't do that. Yeah, a lot happy. There's Joey's. Mean, I was an alcoholic. Don't do that. I'm a lot happier these days and being sober, and you know, those of us who've been through a lot of trauma in life, um,...

...and a lot of experiences to it's Sometimes it's not just the trauma that will get to you. It's It's the fact that these amazing thing happened and this trauma happened to that's, like, double twist on your head, right? So Oh, no, I got you. No, no, that's That's what I asked just if there's a mistake you made and that happened, I have another question for that in a moment. But where do you place? And I think from your perspective, you have some good insight, education and exercise. Well, there's air fundamentals. Um, first of all, we're meant toe work. You know, that's a great, great thing that you know why we work. It's like walkers were bad to were. Physical creatures were supposed to be. I like what this old man, Alex Allen, used to say to me, uh, be just about 100 years old now. Um, right. Yeah. You don't wear out this country, you're rust out, and, uh, you know, it really says it. Well, like you just gotta gotta keep moving. You got to keep the body moving. With the body moving the brain does better, you know. But also, we're creatures of of curiosity and desire for knowledge. And I have a hard time believing that just the extreme conspiracy theory fueled crazy. It's happening. I don't understand how that could be so pervasive that people could be so mistrusting of of our human achievement of knowledge. All this knowledge we acquired, we spent thousands of years coming to this point. And then people just like No, that's not the way it is And you give them scientific fact. They say, Here, just been watching too much of those left wing kooks Snow fight. And you know, it's just ridiculous to try Thio have a conversation with people these days. And maybe that's why I like talking about the weather. It's say, if it's safe, innocence and, you know, in my group of people start, you know, throwing a climate denial, conspiracy cookie things right? I just shut them down because it's my group. No, it isn't. This isn't the place for your wacko theories. No, it wasn't caused by airplane contrails. Well, certainly things like things were getting worse. No, no one can deny things. They're not getting better. I wouldn't say whoever would you know where the evening's human species is. In a serious crisis, it's Ah, we're teetering hood. Utter catastrophe, uh, socially, militarily with the state of the Empire's or like to say the empire. Really, Uh, you might know better than me. I mean, there's 400 American military bases surrounding the general theater of your part of the world, right? 35,000, I think. 25. 35,000 soldiers here in Korea. Yeah, I think Russia, Russia just said they found that Russia has a super nuclear something, something that they're sharing with China. And, uh, I don't know, the empire is in serious trouble. It is in, uh, it's it's collapsing from within. And it's scary because it's it's always a double combination with another pirates collapsed in history of attack from within an attack from without, you know, like a Does the American ah society actually have the ability to function highly enough? Thio maintain its empire? It doesn't seem apparent. I don't I'm not convinced that, you know, Joe Biden is gonna right all the wrongs that were even if maybe he's a well meeting man in some ways. Did a good thing putting Bernie Sanders, uh, in charge of the budget. But the problems we're facing a huge and what it takes it now more than ever is honesty to the or Thurman. And that's not what Q and I it's about. That's not what Trump was about, right? It's It's total rejection of the gains of the indictment of reason of the search for truth. And, you know, people will talk about my love of science like it's a bias like, Well, that's just because you're biased with science like, No, that's not what You can't be biased towards science. It doesn't work that...

...way. Science is about the collection of truth. And if something is proven to be untrue, science will admit that and change it. It doesn't just stubbornly cling to, you know? Well, there's a certainty that empires do fall, So it is unfortunate to so however that happens, I'm not sure, Um, but it is certain that one day all the good ones and the bad ones will fall. I'd love to imagine there's Ah. I mean, there's so many possibilities with what we can achieve is a species, including interstellar travel. I mean, uh, it zits all not that far away from what we could do. But you need people as we stand right now as we stand in our camps right now, um, you know, we're in serious danger of annihilating our planet ourselves. We're get what is your goal? What do you What do you hope to accomplish in your work and and in your world? I don't know if I have much of a goal will be honest. Uh, just keep trying to get by by And as the group grows and as my my following has been growing again to me, what I like is having a bigger canvas to paint on eso all the benefits so that you kind of success that could happen. They say I get more radio, weather jobs or things like that and I can make a better part of my living just doing what I'm doing right now. That would be so awesome. But in itself, all that is is an an avenue to lead me towards ah, larger palette to paint on a bigger place, to be creative, creative. So that's my drive is a non artist of sorts. Rate is toe, not succeed necessarily for the sake of profit. But for the sake of it's what we do. We're artists. We got a got to talk. Us talkers have to talk us drawers have to draw signals, have to sing. Yeah, well, you could do a lot of those things. Is there anything about you people may not understand? And by understanding this, they would have a better appreciation of you and your work. Uh, there's a lot toe misunderstand. And I mean, I don't know, I won't speak to other people's, ah, misconceptions or whatever. I mean, there's people who do not like me, and I think the thing that probably they are bothered by the most of the end is I just don't care. Uh huh. You know, to help with you, then I'm not gonna try to make it better for you. So, uh, is there a reason is there a reason why people misunderstand you and then take the wrong road of Well, I think in general, I think in general there's a lot of pressure for people to be very narrow socially is toe what they'll accept to be willing to do, you know, without mhm So they have a hard time dealing with Stay someone like Frankie or someone like myself. Food. You know, I really can't control what comes out of my mouth all that much. Sometimes I say what I think in the way I say it. It's like, you know, I just realized I was like his home hardware and clean out of the day. The woman in there is like, Oh, I thought that was you on the phone. I recognized your voice. So yeah, cool. And then I proceeded. Just probably sound like a lunatic to the horrible. I've been sitting thinking wells for a week, not talking in humans like Oh, yeah, well, what about about that? It's like, you know, I am what I am. It's so you know, it's not a choice. So it's, ah, mental condition. Well, on Lee, a couple more questions for you. But Joey, is there some adversity that you have faced in your lifetime? And how could you use that adversity to encourage people with the university they face faced a lot of diversity Bed. I nearly died tuberculosis and struggle with major depression and PTSD. A lot of my life struggle with addiction. A lot of I've had toe fight for my existence on this planet. I think one thing that I was lucky to have was my sense of creativity that it kept me, uh, doing things I guess through it, all right. But, you know, I I really have...

...in my life just been through hell and back and that it's in some ways maybe very insightful and very strong in some ways maybe very scared and wary of of chaos and red people doing crazy things. I think the road to recovery is is really all about looking at all those things and accepting them for what they are. It's taking a lot of courage for me to come back out of my show like it's been, you know, number of years since I've been, you know, 34 years since I've been a road musician that I've kind of fall into my little shell where it's safe and detached from the world a bit. So it's taking some courage and bravery and be like, Yeah, I'm gonna come out of my shell and start talking And people might not understand it first and yeah, yeah, the you're in a bad mood. Watch Frankie MacDonald e don't know if I told you, but I was like Frankie, What if people are and how can you encourage people are her face adversity? Watch my videos. He's right, Right. Well, I've had some down days they've got me through. Do you have encouragement for other people besides watching Frankie McDonald's videos? Knowing what you've been through, well, be that it could sound quite empty to encourage you if I don't really know you and what you're going through. So, you know, I don't want to just say the words encouraging. I encourage you all to be to be empty about it. But, ah, quite a few of my friends of ah have either fully stopped or or really challenge themselves on their drinking because of my attitude toe, You know my change in my life. Uh, I'm at a place where I didn't think I would ever really get to inside, so mhm. You can't give up. Ah, you'll never get there. If you do, you'll never find out how much weirder it could get. Gotta stick through that. But I mean, there is no simple solutions, and we have a society that that wants to give you a simple solution. Through aside, take this, do this, do that. Just talk. And it doesn't work that way. I mean, to really face yourself is what you're gonna find healing and that's that's, Ah, hard battle. It's that takes complete honesty. If you're not ready to be honest with yourself, it may be a while before you're ready to take the next step in your life. Whatever that step is, I think, to knowing how difficult life is and when you have, say, talents and skills that some people have and you have in particular, like you are talented weather forecaster. You know things as much. I mean, you say no, but is a meteorologist. You have a musical talent and ability that most people don't have. You said you wish you were more popular, but you still have a magnificent writing ability and your wonderful on musical instruments. Thanks, Brian. And you're fighting fires, right? Most people only hear about those fires that are being fought on the West coast of North America, and you're the guy that's fighting those fires. You're living out as a mountain man where most people would be too afraid of, let alone be able to. So when way have those difficulties? I think it's part of it is, you know, wondering our purpose, wondering why we're here and living that to that, um, the goal or achievement, but in the meantime, taking those little steps with the skills and talents that we've been given in finding little nuggets, gold nuggets, if you will, of joy and family and friends and honing your skills and doing those things for the glory of whatever you do, the glory, whatever. You do those things to the glory off. Someone said You're not into the 12 step program, are you? They said 12 steps. I'll know 12 million steps, man. Yeah, you want 12 easy answers. You probably end up back in the gutter, if that's your attitude. Is there anything else, Joey that we haven't touched upon? That you'd like to add some things you're doing, Or, um, also how people can get in touch with you. Is there anything you could send your message on the Facebook? I guess, if you like. But, uh, check out my YouTube channel. Uh, see what we're doing. The community a logical report the episodes...

...and feel free to go Thio Joey only outlaw band that band dot band camp dot com. You can hear my albums for free and all that. They're so, you know, have a listen there. But all in all, just, uh, take care of yourselves and treat yourself good every day to try to find Find some way to treat yourself. You know, really realize you deserve that. A little bit of self kindness. I have one final question for you, Joey. Fire away. And you touched on it. You didn't say in particular. He said it generally, but why do you work? Oh, my Dutchman e couldn't stop. But, I mean, there's so many answers to that. I got child support to pay, you know, but yeah, I think I think I'm hoping to find myself by this time next year. Two different set a set of circumstances in my life as a working person, and And I guess we work towards those things to get there, right? I mean, we don't have a We have to put food on the coverage here. Part of why do some of the things I do is just pure creative drive. I can't really help it. So, um, why do I work? Partly I love I've always said I hate having a job, but I love working hard, right? So, you know, even if even if I'm home for a week with nothing to do eventually got to get out puts. Um, I mean, pretty strong guy in my forties, but you don't you don't just get that. You will keep that if you sit around too much. So you know the human being is bit toe work. In a a sense, you're meant to be busy. Not not crazy, busy but mentor toe have things to do to create, to build things. And that's just that's our spirits. Part of who we are is a species. It's one of these great gifts we have. We work because that's who we are. Well, Joey, I appreciate this time, Joey, Only the weatherman, the musician, the firefighter, the mountain man who has many gifts and skills and talents. And I would want to encourage, you know, with the blanket encouragement, but to keep going. Joey, I know life is not easy. We all have adversity one way or another, as you mentioned yours, Thio to keep on going, for whatever your motivation is, whatever those goals you might have. But I like what you just said is you don't You don't like having a job But you like toe work. And I think that should I don't ever see myself a person who retires. It's Yeah, I don't. I'll be 75 80 years old. Still out there doing something or other. Yeah. Odd job in Or this or that, Or who knows? Uh huh. I have a feeling that work opportunities are on the horizon right now, and I don't just mean about weather, but other things in life just got await the winner out, see where it goes. So got the skills. You've got the hardwood e. I just got it. I'm just gonna walk a line now. You got the work. You have the work ethic, I think, Joey, you're just looking for that one thing that's it's gonna that sense of meeting. Well, like I said, I'd rather go up to the mountain for the date. I could sell a load of wood for 200 bucks, do that in three hours and worked for myself for Yeah, I could go do something that makes me totally unhappy. Now, that other job that would make me totally unhappy. Uh, maybe we'll probably make most people pretty happy, but I'd be sitting there doodling and thinking of songs. And yeah, this is monkey stuff. Well, I think as little as you think you are, but I think you might think you are. You're a very personable person, and you have a lot to offer other people. So you enjoy your mountain man title. I think you have a lot when you come down to the town. You have a lot to offer the people the wisdom from your experience and don't ever. I think that's not invaluable. It feels weird after after 20 years of Club of mountains toe to realize Oh, wait, I'm at that age now where I could you can call me that. It's not something weird. E. And I've been at it a long time living this while, you know, and you just you never know whether it's Ah, fire call in town here or it's ah, you...

...know, someone paying me to guide the or you just never know, you know, whether it's snowmobile guiding or fishing or hunting. I just you just never know in a week what I might get up to. I realized that's part of the beauty of making some of the videos I'm making two. Is that Ah, A lot of people are kind of blown away who don't live in BC. Your They see something like that in this thing and people still do that. Yeah, man, keep up the work. Joey. Joey only Thank you. For this time I have appreciated. I've learned a lot and I truly value the work that you're bringing, even though it's not full time at the moment. And thank you for coming on. And I appreciate the work that you dio your beauty buddy. Keep talking. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, Follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive, joyful day in your work.

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