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Episode 103 · 10 months ago

#103 Joey Onley - Weather Forecaster - BrianVee WhyWeWork

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Joey Onley is a man of many trades, skills, and talents. Joey is a weather man, musician, fire fighter and practical mountain man.

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Interior Weather & Wilderness Watchers
https://www.facebook.com/groups/interiorweatherwatchers

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linkedin.com/in/joey-onley-89866468

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Joey Onley Outlaw Band
https://joeyonly.wordpress.com/videos/https://joeyonlyoutlawband.bandcamp.com/album/no-more-trouble-in-the-peace-2016-2

Welcome to why we work with your hostBrian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as wetogether dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seeminglymissteps, hopes, warnings and advice which would be an encouragement to usall to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but workingis good. Now here is your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and thisis why we work today at the great pleasure of speaking with Joey. OnlyJoey is a Canadian weather forecaster. He is a talented musician, and he's apassionate firefighter. Actually. He's just a General Mountain man. He's a manof many trades today. I want to find out from him how we can enjoy naturemore as we live these busy lives. Join me today in my conversation with Joeyon Lee. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure ofspeaking with Joey on Lee. Good day. Fine, sir. Yes. Hello. Thank you forcoming on here, Joey. I know. As I said in the introduction, your overallmountain man Busy man. I think So you have many trades. You have manyabilities. Would you be able to give us an idea of kind of the the industrythat you're in and some of the things that you're doing now see, that'sthat's the funny thing is, uh, I'm really in no industry in some ways,right? I've been selling firewood this winter in the summertime. I worked as afirefighter for a while, then firefighter among all First Nationscrew, um, trauma Medic. But I'm not really working for anybody right now. Iam a local firefighter, a training officer with our department here inWells, in our smell, little small little community of 253 other peopleout in the backwater of the mountains here been able to sort of get by aswell as I can. And it's not always that easy, but yeah, that's how it is, Right?So there's ah, there's work that you do for an employer, and then there's, like,just work you do. And, uh, so I fit into that category a lot these days,and but yeah, I work, That's the thing. And and all these different trades andtalents come in handy. whether it's ah, my radio reports for C for radio andPrince George, or are my own podcast I've been putting on here now or justmy history is a musician of my song writing history, which, uh, means oncein a while I get, uh, some royalty check here and there. So, you know, weall these little fingers in all these different pies that, you know, in thepast, I've been, uh, a radio deejay have been a newspaper editor. I workedat a zoo. You go back, I'd like to even start from the beginning, and thenwe'll work our way back into the things that you've been doing. So since youare a man who does what you do, right, the work that you do. When did all thisstart? When did you get your first job? What was the first thing that you did?Maybe as a teenager or even pre teen? Um ah. Lot of my first jobs were socialwork, jobs, and things like that has got, um Well, I don't know. They did. It's not that exciting. I mean, justsummer jobs and whatnot is a but, you know, getting into university andwhatnot. So but then again, like even as a young person is that a Dutch farmkid, You know, there is animals to feed. There was work to be done. There was,would to get in. There was school to do, right so that we justthere's always that busy nous of being busy. And I think like the mostimportant thing for me is, uh, funny in my life, the sense of being productivein one way or another and and chasing that productivity wherevermy creativity leads it. So I mean, yeah, this I finally got this brand newcomputer and I finally have a computer that I can actually do video editingwith, And I'm I'm taking my creativity to this different level after, Like Isay, I've had this this There's very bizarre long trip through the throughplanet Earth here, right, where if I just give you a list of all thedifferent kinds of jobs I've done here and there and everywhere it's, you know,it a lot of people would just e don't want to go through all of the jobs. ButI do like the idea of when people first start their motivation. And thenthey're kind of the motivation of why...

...they're doing things now. So we get thebook ends of some of the careers that people are living. So as a Dutch Dutchfarm boy you worked at probably pretty young, right? 89 10 somewhere aroundthere? Well, yeah, I mean, there's there's even younger than that becamejobs and things to do that. I mean, one of the first things I can recall everdoing was ah, that was useful to the farm was back then. We didn't have ah,round baler. It was a square baler. And so you have to have someone come alongand pick up the bales and and throw on the wagon. So the tractor that'sdriving the wagon is going, you know, two kilometers an hour and first year.And of course, the aunts and uncles, they they could pick the bales up theirstrong, So I was gonna say I did. This is a six year old you're throwing that.Were you throwing them up? I'm like you are a mountain man, you know. Recognizethem on the truck, right? Put the six year old kid on the seat of the tractorin first gear. Oh, you were driving the tractor. Oh, you're better job than Idid. You feel like you're doing something pretty awesome until Untilyou're old enough. Toe lift the bales. Enjoy it while you can. Yeah, so that'sgreat things different these different kinds of talents. I mean, I've beenlucky in some ways other people haven't been. I don't know that. I mean, thatmight sound wrong. I have this this big creativity in this big, just constant fascination with things.And I'm just always involving my things and in way subtly at the same time. Ilived a fairly slow life up here in the mountains. So it's, you know, it's sortof bizarre that way when you're a firm boys. So when did you pick up music,then? Because you sent me some of some of your songs. You're very talented.Your your lyrically literate right? You just have a way with words. When did your when did your passion oryour You know, when did you start picking up in instrument? Or when youstart singing? I guess one of the things with myfamily that, you know, again a bit of an exceptionalcircumstances that my opa my grandfather, um, he's been a churchorganist now for almost 80 years. He's always played in the church, and he'svery good, and he could play accordion quite fantastically. And my Uncle Gary,he's four years older than me. Um, he could play piano from the time he was akid underneath the piano, my mother, a choir director and my Uncle Frank playpiano sing. And so, with this family, the mom for four or five years of mychildhood, our small town, Madoff, Ontario she It was with a man named youwho owned the Made up Music Center. So her and you ran the music stores. Sothere I was, running around, picking up. Then, of course, being a left handedkid. Eventually, you know I wanna bay. I want an instrument. I want a guitar,mom. And she says, We're going to get you a right handed base like righthander basis like you're not gonna learn how to play left handed becauseyou'll thank me someday. And that's true. Every guitar I c, I could pick upa play. No, no. Bizarre. Yeah, the left handed guitarists, but, uh, you know,And then I learned to play drums, both hands. So certain instruments, itdoesn't really matter. But I have that struggle with my own kids now, becausethey're immersed in the world of music as well, Right? So poor Willow. She Yes. She wants to play fiddle andeverything left handed, but it's not. It doesn't shape that way. All right,poor kid, she'll get. Yeah, she'll get there. You mentioned university. So as you'recoming up through high school, was there any particular job that you hadfor a period of time? Nothing specific in that way. You know,just I guess my short attention span in my high creativity have always kept megoing from place to place to place. So, um, for some people, they get a career,and they kind of stick with that. Pursue that. And for me, I've alwaysbeen able thio find ways, and I don't know, I have I own this bizarremountain lodge. Yeah, something about about the way I've done things has madesense. But, you know, I've had to really work to her and that I didn't I didn't get music. I didn't get arecord label I didn't get. I didn't apply for grants with bar music like wewent on the road and we played 2000...

...shows. And, you know, we played. Weplayed. When did you start your band? The Joey. Only after maybe five years of solo playingin which it was never really my plan to be, um, to take that anywhere. I just Iplay guitar on my side, you know, I thought I was a bass player, thedrummer. And, you know, I didn't have fancy myself to be a stage presence asa singer, unnecessarily right. But I got sort of thrust into that position.And then I guess finally I was up in the Yukon playing, uh, you know, over15 years ago, Well, over And, uh, I just ended up having ah band thewhole time I was there, like couple, couple musicians I knew there who playtogether a lot. I just loved it so much after after amonth, I was like, Man, I want my own country band. I went back to Vancouver,had founded that nobody in that city dio what country music was much lesshow to play it. So then I had toe find some musicians and teach some of themon and they they taught me in return. We wanted this epic kind of travelingCanada getting Thio. You know, in some ways I'd say live the dream, and, uh I mean, go figure. Ah, kid from povertywho's, uh, died went to prison. It's not like I come from some. I'm not atrust fund kid. I just I just followed my bizarre fascination wherever it waspointing me. It led me to work at the safe injection site in Vancouver. Theyhad led me toe working underground mining. It's led me Thio, Thio, cowboyjobs of all sorts. So yeah, I just now I'm selling firewood right now, but mytruck broke last week, so I mean, I'm in trouble this next week, we're gonnasee how that works. Yeah, I heard you mentioned the weather is is a littlebit unusual this year, so not as many people are buying firewood. Um, no, that's not the case. It's stillI mean, here in Wells, it's were 4000 ft above sea level and and it's it'sserious Mountain country here, and we're quite far north, even compared tomost of the rest of where people in Canada live. So we're still having awinter here. Now, we haven't had a minus 30 to minus 40 snap, which hasbeen nice, but I guess with my my YouTube videos and whatnot I promotewith for interior weather. Wilderness watchers of bad weather is good for business. Ilike to say so. This last this There's snowfall warnings all over Southern B Cright now. And everyone who loves to ski and loves the snow is excited aboutit. Uh, that it what was ahead with this? Yeah, Ijust the the truck Your truck broke down and I was saying and you said youwere in trouble. So I said that the weather, maybe you weren't selling asmuch. Wood is recent, but Right. So, yeah, I got a tangent there. Yes, butit's still Yes. It's what? I was gonna say it right? It was that bad weatheris good for my my Facebook group. So, uh, all this snow has got my videos inmy post buzzing the sauce. Judy's? What brought you to Wells? Um, just my life of being a musiciantraveling around. I ended up finding it by accident, and I didn't find it likethere's a There's a festival here that's quite famous. Called the arts.Well, it's festival, And, uh, it wasn't really a thing atthe time I first came here, I was playing music. Cornell when I said somepeople, they're like, Is there mountains nearby? We can climb so wellout in wells like Well, what's that? So I came out here and hike to the top ofMount Marine and looked around and said, Yeah, this is Scoop. Come and which iswhat does that mean? School. Come scoop of hats. Awesome foot eso It's a B c.Native word on. Uh, yeah. So was that a complete thatnumber two completely different than what you're used to. Wells growing up.You mentioned you? Well, I had sure, but I mean, I've already been in BC fora number of years and and I have been amount near through through much of mymy life. Right? So it wasn't like the climate or the terrain or what was herewas anything that I wasn't, uh,...

...expecting. So what ends up happeningwas while staying Quinnell that summer and playing some of those gigs, Mybuddy and I wrote a song called Smells Like Quinnell because there's a pulpand paper mill. Quinnell smells like the pulp and paper mills. You know,it's kind of a funny song. But then the organizer of the festival, you heardthe song and so we have to get that guy at the festival so that came tofestival is like right on, like I really like this town and I was secondtime here, and then I came back the next year to play the festival the nextyear after, and I took a real trip into the mountains at that time and it said,Yeah, there's nobody out here. This is no part. You know, it's Oh, in the deep Caribbean Mountainsjust over yonder. Here it's It's a fantastic as anything you'll see in theRocky Mountain parks. Except there's there's just nobody out there. It's You just gotta know how to get thereand have the know how on the grit and tough and smarts and the truck andthere's all that wilderness to play in. So when we've seen this place for sale, wefinally made sure we could get a hold of it. Soyou have a lodge there. Is it? Yeah, it's Ah, it's a dilapidated old building. Insome sense, it used to be the lumber depot here, back in the old gold miningera, and now it z slowly been fixing it for for 12, 13 years, right, making itnon condemnable. And it's a cool That's 12,000 square feet. How many peoplehave that? Ah, lot of it. It upstairs is like a big open barn. That's okay,that I still have lots of cool stuff in the bar in the woodshop. Hey, whatever,right? So it's It was a cheap building that required everything to be dealtwith, but it was a great life investment that, you know, a few of us,a few of us made together. What do you find that people who live in biggertowns, cities are really missing about nature? What is it that we're just notgetting? And we, you know, I know you got a new computer and you don't mindtechnology so much, but there's a lot of people out there, including myself.We could get sucked into watching this or that or going downtown in this busycity life of subways and taxis and all this stuff, What are we missing by nottaking some time to get out into nature and maybe even considering living in it? Well, one of the the sad things I thinkfor a lot of people who I observe when I've been guarding were out in themountains with them is that you have to be trained how to really see what's outthere in the first place. And, of course, everyone could get out thereand say, That's a pretty mountain But there's there's so much going on on theslope of that mountain in the forest and in the weather above and in theground below. There's so much actually happening and and what I find urbanpeople are especially guilty of is there very trained Thio do not make eyecontact, so what they do is they walk around. You know what? There there hadsort of facing downward, and it's it's a dangerous way to travel,first of all. And secondly, you really missed the subtle detailsthat are happening, right? So I've heard people, my friends of mine wholived down cities Say things like when you could you could never be unhappy.They got memes, right? You could never be unhappy and taking a walk in natureas they Well, you've never had to walk home with a sprained ankle. Like Whatdo you mean? Like, I've been plenty unhappy plenty of times out there, but, you know, I just don't really mind allthat much either. I mean, it is what it is, right? Well, the life I'm gonnalive have to be tough about it. So I don't expect I'm bad for not tellinganyone where I'm going or what I'm doing because I don't If I decided tostay out overnight or not, come back for a day or two. I don't want anyonesending a search party. I'll be fine. Eso you know, that's that's, you know, myrelationship. It's not I'm not going and spending time withnature. I guess it's like I'm just hanging out in my home, you know, to me,the mountain is, uh so there's different spirits you can have whenyou're out there. You could mhm, you know, it could be a lot of but I'vealways felt more like the spirit of a...

...predator where my head is up my earsthat opened. I'll stop and look behind me and I lookup a lot of a danger three assessor in wildfires. So one of my you know whatthey realize your weather, man, you know, also, the guy was always lookingup and you know a lot about trees. Maybe you should be the danger treeassessors because you had that scouting job of of and some might need a bro's on thecrew, you know, if Rodney Rod couldn't are working together, you know, we justhave this way without talking of moving and just taking it. Everything that'sgoing on space, I just I see so often when I I'm out with people who don'tspend a lot of time or don't have that association. There's a distraction thatthey just don't They can't fully turn off e mean, that might sound judgmental,but, um, that's my heart observance. As somebody who spends a lot of time ingrizzly bear country, No dangerous. You're right. No, you'reright. And there's one thing I observed, and I, you know, I live in South Koreain a big city, and I find my eyesight as getting into my forties is gettingworse. It seems to be getting worse. So from reading something screen thingsdriving down the road things or foggy. But if I go jogging or hiking in amountain, I don't see blurriness. It seems like my eyes and I could be justtotally out to lunch. But I think the natural light or whatever is going onthere, it just seems like my eyes. This is where they belong, not in this sortof fakeness that I'm around all the time. It's the hardness of the objectsrights. Everywhere you look is these hard lines that air, and that's that'svery much the urban world. Whereas in nature, uh, if you see ah, hard line,it should stand out quickly. To you is, you know, the back of ah Boozer,something in the brush that has this hard hardness to its forum that doesn'tquite belong and will catch my eye, you know, in nature, everything is iscompletely random and a shape in its form and how it grows, how it behaves.You know, there's these generalities that air kind of true, but you know,this animal tends to do this. But, you know, I've seen predators make meals ofBerries and and heard of wolves snacking on grasshoppers. You know,nature has its own sort of tendency. Where is Ah, the urban jungle is veryhard, bright, You know what I'm saying? And reflective of heat and light. And so, yeah, I mean, I find for sure thesoftness. Unless, of course, toe embrace sunny day here. But even then,the softness of of nature, that sense has its and also in the stillness. It'sreally good for your ears. And I don't I don't think most people these daysare sit in silence and just allow the silence to be what it isright. And there's a lot to be learned insilence about yourself, but also just in every little detail around you inthe mountains. So many things can kill you. People spend so much time worryingabout the bears, the grizzly bears and whatnot, but it's actually so unlikelyto be killed by a grizzly bear, and there's so many ways to die out there,and people do it every day, You know, if once in three years. Ah, Bear killssomeone in candidates. It's a headline news story. People go out there andmake those mistakes every day because they they don't have that focus oftheir vision and the ability to sort of have the empty mind of the predator of.You know what goes through the mind of the links When he's he's hunting therabbit. It's not thinking about this and that at 123456 he's like 16 Youknow what I mean? And nose is open, Ears are open, eyes are open,everything is being taken in. He's a data gathering machine. He's not tryingto project his vision of the world onto it. He's totally accepting the worldfor what it is and and missing nothing about what's happening around them. Yeah, I feel like people don't havethat, you know. I call it a killer instinct. I don't mean viciousness or being bead survival. We met through the East Coastweatherman Frankie MacDonald. He's my...

...unofficial manager now, telling me Thiointerview and your you have the West Coast covered, but I wonder your viewof meteorologists who we see on TV And as you're talking about the man withthe killer instinct with your nose to the ground, right, your your ears areperked. And you know what's going on because you're in the midst of it. Whatis the difference and not to knock meteorologist. But I think, Yeah, youhave. Yeah, you have. But you have maybe an advantage. Maybe what? Theydon't have sitting behind their their desk and and reading reports. Well, youknow, they have an advantage that I don't have to. So, um, this has notbeen kind of like eating it lately. When I've worked in mining in the past,E generally found myself in the geology department. And, you know, either is ageo tech auras. Ah, as ah, a prospector. So I work with the geologist or in theengineering department, I'd be the help of the surveyor. So I I knew how to runsurveys and do surveys of all sorts and collect data. But he was the one thathad the official professional stamp that he stamped on the paper. Myrelationship with some of the meteorologist, this province. And, youknow, I pay attention to what they're saying and take very serious account ofThey're the ones who tell me the direction of things. Um, but on theother hand, I have my own way of speaking to the greater world. I havemy own powers of observation of my own network of people reporting him whatthey're seeing. And I'm ableto form that my own forecast that air arepretty damn reliable. Um, so I like in that being the storm chaser or thestorm spotter to being the Prospector, right? You you're not the geologist,but you speak their language. You know what's going on. And if you ever talkedto good prospector, you know they'll blow your mind with what? They know itin a old Gary polish Chuck there, after 50 years of prospecting and being froma gold mining family, uh, there was not one kid who could walk through theuniversity is a full scale, full fledged geologist that could tell himanything because they done. They didn't know, you know, like they know what thebook said. So that experience is important, right? At the same time, um,it was often it's always the prospector who's ah, working in concert with thegeologist, and it's always the storm chaser and spotter working in concertwith the The Meteorologist. So it's It's not an oppositional. It's onoppositional relationship whatsoever. Um, sometimes people I mean, you keep plugging datainto these models and the models keep changing and eso they're sitting waydown there in Vancouver, 900 kilometers from here, guessing at which modelwealth over the course of the night. Some something happened in nature tochange some of the data a little bit. And what ended up happening was notwhat the model said was gonna happen. But I did have the advantage of sittinghere on top of the mountain looking at the skies and, uh, well, okay, justseems like a B and C was gonna happen the next 24 hours. So I have thatadvantage of just being there. But also, when I make my forecast, like peoplereally love my forecast in this province and rely on them and they saythings that disturb me like you're you're better than the weatherman, andthat bothers you because there it's a metaksa on science, and I can't acceptthat compliment because I'm not better than the weatherman. You know, I justhave the advantage of, um So when I do my radio broadcast for Prince Georgetomorrow morning, it's one city, so I have to get some numbers. But can youimagine if our you're Joanna wags tough at CBC and you have to forecast for anentire province that's got so maney, micro climates and different kinds ofterrain? I mean, that's a big, big project, and she's got to put a numberon that town well, so that you can look at your phone in the morning becauseyou don't know anything about weather and just see some symbols like it. Soit's a sun shining symbol and it says chance of rain and it's got somenumbers here. 25 degrees and a little of 15, you know, and then it gets up to28 degrees that day. Well, she was wrong. So it's I'm able to be a lotmore generalized because I'm usually...

...talking about the weather pictureacross the province in descriptive form and s o the group members really lovethat, because it's sort of making understand it. Over the years, peoplehave been in part of it a long time, I've really learned to speak the jargonthemselves and we keep going. And what is your group? Yeah, what is the groupname? And when did this start? And how did it? Obviously, moving to Wells andhaving a desire to learn more about nature. And you're being happy andcontent there. You had a desire and a a passion for whether or how thingschange. When did this group start? And how is that going along? Like the loveof weather? Uh, in science has been a lifelong passion. This is nothing new.E spent my life with my nose on the ground. Uh, the group I started itsinterior weather in wilderness watchers here in British Columbia. I started itin, uh, 2014 with just, uh, you know, 100 people I knew in the province, just kind of, you know, I had kind ofhopes that maybe you'd become something someday, but and then it did, And Iguess, to my dogs running around making or is it when, uh, you keep making spoton calls about things that come to happen that are seriously big fireseasons? I'm sitting here for a week saying like that Friday setups lookingbad like it's not gonna be any rain, man. There's a lot of lightning comingand and for a week I'm saying this then and you know, the shares spread like wildfire onceyou're right on DNA. Next thing you know, your group keeps growing andgrowing slowly. Until recently, did nothing toe promote? It just kept, uh,putting up maps and and talk to them about what was on them. Finally, uh,group help me fundraise up this computer. And I started making YouTubevideos and and I could I just see you know, this time not so long ago, wherethe weather group was small, Yeah, it got big And there was a time and no,not that I achieve superstar status or nothing like that with my music. Butthere was a time where I was sitting there thinking like, Well, what if Icould meet Joe Keithley and Gord Downie and Buffy Sainte Marie? Someday peoplelike that, then you know it all starts small and just keep being who you are followingyour passions, your love and and things will happen. If you build it, they willcome If they don't will, you will. So, uh huh. How far is your geographicalforecasting now, is it? In the immediate area is a B C. Is it acrossCanada now that you have a connection with Frankie So you might even bethrowing some things towards his way? Um, I'm definitely with our showtogether. The Community Geological Report, which we film tonight in hisuploading, Um, it's definitely targeted to be acrossCanada. Somewhat comical weather show. But for interior weather in wildernesswatchers, I generally speak just to the what we call the interior regions ofBritish Columbia. So non coastal BC, we do have quite a few people from thecoast who follow what I'm saying and what not, But they have their own likethey The whole point of the group when it started was, uh if you turn on theweather Network, they'll maybe mentioned Kelowna,Victoria and Vancouver and then move on toe Alberta, and talk about Calgary andEdmonton. But so for the vast majority, that's a humongous province. Andthere's just this vast majority of people who who work in the bush andgarden and farm, and and I can play and spend all this time outside here,really living on the land one way or another. And, uh, they want to knowreally what's going to go on here? And it's been, uh, the mist ake of themajor weather reporting services did not cover are smaller regions, do you? So we did that. You, with your newcomputer, you could probably get however you want. I mean, you have agreat background there, which is just your natural background, but you canstart doing your own weather forecast for those small places, and you couldsend out specific reports to specific towns if you so choose. That's exactlywhat started to happen. I mean, I have had this computer less than a week, soI've been just learning how to do video editing on my own. With that the cornerJosh's help. Who's ah, technical wizard.

But I need to be able to sit down, grabmy computer, go anywhere film, film a tornado in Alberta, bake a video and,you know, have it on the news you and they could will share with you. I sawthat you you mentioned that reported the meteorologist for CBC was it. I sawthat interview. So you're getting some traction now. So once you start gettingthat experience with your computer and putting that stuff up, there's nothingthat will stop you. And I'm sure people love the fact how honest you are andyour willingness to say I'm not gonna be so specific on something. But I'mgoing to give you the knowledge that I have based on the experience I have.Well, I love saying check your local forecasts or I like saying, puttingcontext of things too, Like with the snow storms that are happening inBritish Columbia right now, tonight. Ah, lot of places air are experiencing rain,but you go up a couple 100 ft in elevation and snowing there. So what wehave is ah, dangerous set up on the roads where slush and ice and thingslike that can conform, right? So it's putting those numbers into context forpeople like What does that really mean? Um, you know, you might see in thesummertime Ah, thunderstorm icon and it says 90%. And when you see that youthink okay, that means 90% chance of a thunderstorm. But when I see that Iknow what they're saying is like, you know, chance of bad thunderstorm. Yeah.Uh, so it's just putting that into context because we have these peoplewho who work in the wilderness and they get up in the morning And there's nosevere store mornings put out by Environment Canada yet the and they gooff to the wilderness where there's no cell service or Internet for the day.So if there wasn't somebody maybe like myself saying, uh, by the way, like 34o'clock this afternoon, uh, maybe a good time. Thio. If you hear someseason dark clouds head for your truck, it park your truck on a clearing away fromthe trees, blah, blah, blah. All right, put context and dio what these thingsmean but also communicated to them before environment Canada, you know,releases their severe storm watches and warnings at 10:30 a.m. or 11:30 a.m.Whatever. Speaking of context, what is your context of where you live in that?I'm just wondering being a mountain man 4000 ft above sea level in British Columbia. How possible is itfor you to live for how long? Without connection. And what is it you're ableto? Actually you mentioned who? People that work and live and play off theland. How much of the land are you able toe work, live and play off without anynecessary connection to be a mountain man? And how how long could you gowithout going to town to pick up something that you essentially needunless it's like medication or something? I mean, I've spent a monthor two at a time of year. So it's then I think, with whats the matter wasright now it could probably lost several months easily. Uh, everybodyaround here started shooting Moose. I don't know how many years would survivethe apocalypse, but certainly quite good fishing and lots of Berries. Andwe do. Ah, you know, plants, some things in the garden. Certainly. I'dlove to spend less at the grocery store, but at least a percentage of, uh youknow what, though? Too much trouble. Ah, you know, in cutting our own firewood,her own source of heat whatnot, You know, a percentage of the things thatwe have that way we we do combined naturally. And you know, the less I have to see townthe better. So what is a trip to town? What is a trip to town? A necessity Forwhat? Where? Some things that you need to get well, when you live like this,you go when you stock up, right? You don't e think. You know every peoplehave disability Thio. They want something they can call someone whowill drop it off. Or they could go to any store they want, uh, and get such said Big. That lady was sogreat. Um so there's there's that sort of levelof planning or just knowing how to live your life in a way that that when yougo shopping, you gotta make sure you have or be able to live without it fora week or two or three. You have a long before you go back down to town. Andthat's, you know, a 90 kilometer trip down from the mountains and sometimestreacherous weather conditions and snow...

...and moose and logging trucks and andthen you get to town. There's cove in human beings, and it was like, which iswhich is worse, which is worse than covert or the humans they come thatthey're hurt. Which foot is which? It's the same for everyone. I think e uYou can go Thio concerts and whatnot there. Frankie was saying, Is that thecase? Uh, South Korea's, uh, pretty relaxed these days. Every there's it,Zeb Inflows. But yeah, things were basically closed here, like five peoplecould go toe one restaurant or something like that. Like that is, itis pretty bizarre. Yeah, I mean, it's it's shot right down your BC numbers.They're pretty, uh, pretty low. All in all, I mean, we havea had much of, ah, there's been a few small outbreaks in the North, but it'snot been. It's not like looking at the United States and Joey pick a seasonfor you. And what is a process? What is something that you go through in a week?I know you do different things during different seasons, whether they're busyor not. But what would be something that you do on a regular basis, say,over a week or even over a month's time? Just I like the idea of you being amountain man. So what does the mountain men do in the summer and the winter orpreparing for the fall. What is something that you do, right? Well, I mean, yeah, we couldpick any season any month of the season, and you might get funny. So mhm. You know, January has been two orthree times a week going out falling trees, selling a load of firewood tothis neighbor, that neighbor, you know, Friday, you get the kids and the kidsall weekend Sunday, you drop them off. Then it's the Frankie Show that night,you know? And then Monday morning, wake up and it's C for radio broadcast. Well, I got a couple of days trying tomake some money, if I can. And then Friday's A C for radio broadcast enoughto get kids. It's kind of this, you know, Woo little little circuit thediscos and repeat summertime. Though it could be pretty excited because, uh,depending on how busy our fire crew is or if we're call on standby. One summer,there wasn't any fires. We just kind of sat around camp, got paid to do basically nothing on.And so I enjoy the fire seasons of the action much more. But the actionseasons could be intense, you know, 14 straight days of very little sleep andgoing and far traveled it some crazy backwater location you no one else inthe world could ever imagine going to. And, uh, I love those moments when, uh,you know, and seeing all the smoke and smells andlooking around and saying the Yeah, here, this is cool. What is somesatisfaction you get and some difficulties you get Being in theposition that you're in the position I am is a firefighter orwhichever just I'll say the mountain man, what is And I'm thinking not beingokay. So yeah, the truck the four by four of my truck going this week was isa bummer because e Oh, I'm not exactly sure yet. I'm gonna try to find out inthe morning was one of those things that when I finally got a home, I wasmad and did look at it for the rest of day. It is not gonna be gone. Just walkaway. So I got to deal with that in the morning. But yeah, I need the truck towwork, and I need to work car. Yeah, in the truck to make money,and I need money to make the truck. You work? Yeah. My big truck is really somuch of, you know, And if I'm not fighting fire the summertime being thetruck and whoever else alley or the kids, uh, we could be down any loggingroad in anyone remote reaching this area. And you never know. You know, therewere panning for gold or shooting road chickens or catching fish or gettingfirewood or picking stones for the garden. Just always, ah, things youcould do with with they would have a like, I guessthe I've had folks for this tedious say to me like, it must be pretty boring upthere and, you know, like nothing much to do there. And like, man, there's so much to do. Like, what areyou talking about? In fact, it doesn't...

...cost us any money to do it Either way,I want to pay for parking when we go in the mountain, you know, $10 beers and Idon't drink. But you know what I'm saying, right? All you need is, uh, theambition to go spend time out there, not be all that scared of it. And theexperience right each. You know, when you're you're younger, you keep pushingyourself a little bit further a little bit further, a little bit further. Whenyou're well enough, you know the bound reason Just walk right along with thetype. What is a skill you, over the last 15years, did you say living there that you had Thio? How long have you livedin Wells? Uh, 12 years we've had this place. Now what is the skill that youhave learned that you had to develop? Maybe just the idea of being so remote. One of the skills that got way betterat in the last 15 years. It's falling trees, and it's a very dangerous and Imean that literally chopping, chopping down trees, which is known as fallingtrees, is that, uh, I like to use a chainsaw. It's how do you do? How doyou How did you learn that? And how does one go about falling treesproperly? I saw, like a video of one guy doing I don't know, Was it bananasor coconuts? And he was at the very top of it because it was weighed over somuch and then he chopped off the top and the thing went swinging back over.That would be scary. I don't know much about cutting coconut trees, butactually in peace when, uh, should Well, it could have migrated here. Um, sousually make my front cut first. So I put my front cut in, you know, lessthan 30% of the tree, usually the way it s Oh, sorry. I thought I was myfriend. Cut in and you know, it's here. And then I do another cut underneath,like so. So there's a wedge cut out of the tree and then s so it's kind ofholding here. And then I cut in the back nice street line. And when I getto it so that the line is really tight, I stick some wedges in there. If it'snot gonna go over, give him a nice tap till the tree, uh, sense. But often, ifthey got a bit of a lead to, um, I just let him go. Send him on over. But Imean, you have a phone a tall trees before BC, because we have these big,you know, big. They're not deciduous Conifers. Thes pines air. You know,lodgepole pines. They're very tall, very straight. Growing up in Ontarioalready have these more broadleaf trees. You can kind of cut them and send thembecause they're so top heavy. But with these ones there Hey, they can kind ofdo whatever they want if you don't, uh, cutting properly. So getting beginningreally good at falling. It's something that a lot of people are intimidated.Bias is falling big trees. So they've seen some people cut out a rectangle ablock, and then they put like, um, not a crane. What's the word? I'm lookingfor Jack like a jack Jack inside it, and then they pump it. That's it's apretty interesting way to do it. E when you have a tree that 3 m wide,something like that makes required. Yeah, yeah, you know, all the ones Ifall are about to 2 ft of the but so so you fall them and then you're cuttingthem off into back, um, into firewood or logs. Or soI mean, that's just another example right this fall. Also, I do far my pickup jobs on farms. I'm just one of those guys that Ah, lot of people you know, we'll give a shout tosomething you rather do something that you prefer doing. I'm loving doing thisweather stuff more mawr. And, uh, I'm really hoping that my career is a radio.Whether man takes off What? What what tool do you like to usenow that may be in the weather for the field of weather. What is something?You It's essential for you. Maybe it's something you used when you go outwalking. I saw some of your videos. Your, uh, checking of the tracks. Is there some tool that you use? That'sit's helpful for yours. So many tools. That's the thing. I mean, 10 differentwebsites and check in on and understand what the data they present means. It'snot just enough to see a weather report with the sunshine icons. I need to seemaps with pressure lines and I need to snow. I need to see what themeteorologists sees. So there's that. But it's my eyes and my ears so much ofthe time, Really. I mean, I do have...

...some weather. Um, uh, instruments, hell,barometers and things like that. Ah, things you can use Thio find relativecommunity or wind direction. I do own some of these instruments, but, uh, Imean Number one is just paying attention to every detail and notgetting too caught up on one. You know it Z. It's seeing the bigger picture whereyou're going to start having success. Because you I have had the past where Iget too caught up in one detail, and I really wanted to happen. And then itdoesn't happen like, Well, that wasn't predicting whether that was just hoping.Yeah, so, no, we got Thio. You got to call it asit's happening. Not as you hoping what your preconceived notion is, knowing that you do the work that youdo opposed to. As you said, people who find a career Do you have advice forpeople getting in starting a job, whether it's a kid throwing bales on atractor or driving the tractor or doing some odds on end jobs or changing theircareer? Do you have a tip for people who are just getting into work? Well, I think you know, work hard and be honest andhave solidarity with your co workers is really important. I don't think thatthat anything that makes you extremely miserable is worth it. No matter. Youknow, I'd rather suffer poverty than, uh, suffer a bad boss or unsafe workingconditions or things like that. So, you know, knowing your rights is a work orand knowing what you will put up with them won't put up with, um, findingthings that you're passionate about working on them. Not everyone is gonnastart their own thing. And some people are really happy to just do this onejob, this other job. Uh, I'm im, you know, part of my mental man. Madness isAh. If I had to work 40 hours a week at onejob for 10 years, it would just destroy me. All the freedom and creativity andthe energy have. And so you have to find, find a way that works for you andto play. It's gonna be hard worked about what? Will you do it? Do youthink a lot of people are working the misery? I think a lot of people are. Yep. Ithink I think miseries a chronic problem right now in our society ingeneral, I think you couldn't have a situation like United States justhaving without huge disillusionment, huge disenfranchisement, a huge amountof inequality, a huge amount of unfairness to the basic social set up. Uh, people are feeling that I used tofind when I I talked politics with people you know, being going to Alberta,playing country music to a province that's that's very right, leaning onbeing very left wing myself. One thing I did pick up on there and was able tospeak their language on it was man. People hate their jobs, theirbosses, the traffic, the There's a lot of unhappiness right now. People areputting up with things they shouldn't have to put up with. And it's It's yourone in life, man. It's your one chance Thio to live. This this beautiful thing thatis the inside of you, right? So, yeah, you gotta you're gonna have towork hard. I don't know for whom you have to find that sometimes you have tojust put up with something for a little while so you can get by into the nextthing. But at the same time, Thio, when I've had some of my cool jobs, the past,like a CBC came and shot up a TV show here. I got hard to be productionassistant, sir, and people say that How did you get that job? You know, maybewondering if I had connections from which I kind of did through a music career. But, you know,I said, Really, it's just that, you know, I was one guy didn't alreadyhave a job. So it's like, it's It's like when you jumpfrom girlfriend to girlfriend from two girlfriend, and but you're each time you're with one ofthese girlfriends when you really were in love with your whole life becomesavailable. And you, the Stokes, you settle for something that made youmajor life miserable to begin with,...

...right? So I don't know what thatbalance is. And we have this society where work is unequal and people arehaving a hard time finding full employment employment that pays thebills and and, uh, that security of like, I own my house now. And I madesure I didn't care if it was a rod to ability. We had just fixed for 25 years.It was ours, and we have to play that game in the morning and a lot of peopleyou think about, you know, spending $40,000 on the old building like this. That's what some of my friends pay inone or two or three years of rent down in the city, you know? And you, you know, the solution isn't for everybody tomove out to here. So I don't know what the solution for you is. Uh you have tofind that out for yourself, what you'll put up with and what you love. But, youknow, don't fall in the trap of being the You know, I don't want to pick onthe the millennials or whatever, but the world doesn't really owe youanything either. So you know, you can't just sit and wait for it too muchenoughto you have to put up with some things youdon't want to do or don't like. That's life. You have a long time to live yourlife, so just keep nudging yourself to the direction you want to go on. Maybesome day you'll get there. Not only only people, just people you could say,like, follow your dreams, anything could happen. But, I mean, if you don'twork towards it. If you don't believe in it, well, it's not gonna happen. No one's gonna make it happen for you.There's one of the reasons is because people are trying to get so advanced,whether it's technologically or emotionally, you're socially and we'regetting away from where you are in nature. And you said, Not that everyonehas to come here, but we're trying to get away from the old, the old farminghouse for the old ways of doing things. And it seemed, Do you think that's oneof the reasons or possibility that we're trying to get so far advanced?We're just getting away from the simpler things. Well, no advancement is still good. Imean, are you know we can't turn our back on science and on on progress inthat sense, but it's more about what is the meaning of life. And why are wetrying toe make these advancements? And you know we've We've built networks ofcities where people don't know their neighbors, and the neighborhood justset up so that you don't know your neighbor, and there's no central place.There's no community hub, so we've built a society that is disconnectedand you go from your your bed to your cell phone to your car phone to yourwork computer tear. And hey, I I'm a computer user, too, so don't get mewrong. But this disconnect, uh, in the inabilityto slow, slow down, just slow down and, uh, let the world come to you alittle bit. You may be ready. Point. I live hereamongst a forest of apartment buildings. They're 15 to 20 story high, andthere's just in this. They think some people think we live in the countrythat live in this area and in the middle of, say, six apartment buildings,this one little neighborhood of apartment buildings. We have the kidsplay area with a small I don't know, 20 by 2020 m by 20 m, patch of grass, andthey're not allowed to play on it. So it was You said it, and I fought for along time, and I fight every summer that No, I'm and I do play on it. ButI'm like, this is the Onley place. These kids can come and because they'renot allowed kids stay in and play games or watch TV. Yeah, you don't get thoseskills you don't get. And we're not allowed to just turn our Children loosethe way I was as a kid. You know, I was born in the late seventies, so, youknow, we're still allowed at that age a lot of us who, at least for rural, uh,toe walk up the door to be gone. And if we made mistakes and got hurt, you know, I can remember a few badinjuries, have a long ways to go and get back to those. Is that back then,Joey? Speaking of mistakes, is there any mistakes that you made that you'velearned that air? They're helping you along your path with work and in yourjourney with life? Oh, yeah. You know, it was an alcoholic,So don't do that. Yeah, a lot happy.There's Joey's. Mean, I was an alcoholic. Don't do that. I'm a lothappier these days and being sober, and you know, those of us who've beenthrough a lot of trauma in life, um,...

...and a lot of experiences to it'sSometimes it's not just the trauma that will get to you. It's It's the factthat these amazing thing happened and this trauma happened to that's, like,double twist on your head, right? So Oh, no, I got you. No, no, that'sThat's what I asked just if there's a mistake you made and that happened, Ihave another question for that in a moment. But where do you place? And Ithink from your perspective, you have some good insight, education and exercise. Well, there's air fundamentals. Um,first of all, we're meant toe work. You know, that's a great, great thing thatyou know why we work. It's like walkers were bad to were. Physical creatureswere supposed to be. I like what this old man, Alex Allen, used to say to me,uh, be just about 100 years old now. Um, right. Yeah. You don't wear out thiscountry, you're rust out, and, uh, you know, it really says it.Well, like you just gotta gotta keep moving. You got to keep the body moving.With the body moving the brain does better, you know. But also, we'recreatures of of curiosity and desire for knowledge. And I have a hard timebelieving that just the extreme conspiracy theory fueled crazy. It'shappening. I don't understand how that could be so pervasive that people couldbe so mistrusting of of our human achievement of knowledge. All thisknowledge we acquired, we spent thousands of years coming to this point.And then people just like No, that's not the way it is And you give themscientific fact. They say, Here, just been watching too much of those leftwing kooks Snow fight. And you know, it's just ridiculous to try Thio have aconversation with people these days. And maybe that's why I like talkingabout the weather. It's say, if it's safe, innocence and, you know, in mygroup of people start, you know, throwing a climate denial, conspiracycookie things right? I just shut them down because it's my group. No, itisn't. This isn't the place for your wacko theories. No, it wasn't caused byairplane contrails. Well, certainly things like things weregetting worse. No, no one can deny things. They're not getting better. Iwouldn't say whoever would you know where theevening's human species is. In a serious crisis, it's Ah, we'reteetering hood. Utter catastrophe, uh, socially, militarily with the state ofthe Empire's or like to say the empire. Really, Uh, you might know better than me. Imean, there's 400 American military bases surrounding the general theaterof your part of the world, right? 35,000, I think. 25. 35,000 soldiershere in Korea. Yeah, I think Russia, Russia just said they found that Russiahas a super nuclear something, something that they're sharing withChina. And, uh, I don't know, the empire is inserious trouble. It is in, uh, it's it's collapsing from within. And it's scary because it's it's alwaysa double combination with another pirates collapsed in history of attackfrom within an attack from without, you know, like a Does the American ahsociety actually have the ability to function highly enough? Thio maintainits empire? It doesn't seem apparent. I don't I'm not convinced that, you know, Joe Biden is gonna right allthe wrongs that were even if maybe he's a well meeting man in some ways. Did agood thing putting Bernie Sanders, uh, in charge of the budget. But theproblems we're facing a huge and what it takes it now more than ever ishonesty to the or Thurman. And that's not what Q and I it's about.That's not what Trump was about, right? It's It's total rejection of the gainsof the indictment of reason of the search for truth. And, you know, peoplewill talk about my love of science like it's a bias like, Well, that's justbecause you're biased with science like, No, that's not what You can't be biasedtowards science. It doesn't work that...

...way. Science is about the collection oftruth. And if something is proven to be untrue, science will admit that andchange it. It doesn't just stubbornly cling to,you know? Well, there's a certainty that empires do fall, So it isunfortunate to so however that happens, I'm not sure, Um, but it is certainthat one day all the good ones and the bad ones will fall. I'd love to imaginethere's Ah. I mean, there's so many possibilities with what we can achieveis a species, including interstellar travel. I mean, uh, it zits all notthat far away from what we could do. But you need people as we stand rightnow as we stand in our camps right now, um, you know, we're in serious dangerof annihilating our planet ourselves. We're get what is your goal? What doyou What do you hope to accomplish in your work and and in your world? I don't know if I have much of a goalwill be honest. Uh, just keep trying to get by by And as the group grows and asmy my following has been growing again to me, what I like is having a biggercanvas to paint on eso all the benefits so that you kind ofsuccess that could happen. They say I get more radio, weather jobs or thingslike that and I can make a better part of my living just doing what I'm doingright now. That would be so awesome. But in itself, all that is is an anavenue to lead me towards ah, larger palette to paint on a bigger place, tobe creative, creative. So that's my drive is a non artist ofsorts. Rate is toe, not succeed necessarily for the sake ofprofit. But for the sake of it's what we do. We're artists. We got a got totalk. Us talkers have to talk us drawers have to draw signals, have tosing. Yeah, well, you could do a lot of thosethings. Is there anything about you people may not understand? And byunderstanding this, they would have a better appreciation of you and yourwork. Uh, there's a lot toe misunderstand.And I mean, I don't know, I won't speak to other people's, ah,misconceptions or whatever. I mean, there's people who do not like me, and I think the thing that probablythey are bothered by the most of the end is I just don't care. Uh huh. Youknow, to help with you, then I'm not gonna try to make it better for you. So, uh, is there a reason is there areason why people misunderstand you and then take the wrong road of Well, I think in general, I think ingeneral there's a lot of pressure for people to be very narrow socially istoe what they'll accept to be willing to do, you know, without mhm So theyhave a hard time dealing with Stay someone like Frankie or someone likemyself. Food. You know, I really can't control what comes out of my mouth allthat much. Sometimes I say what I think in the way I say it. It's like, youknow, I just realized I was like his home hardware and clean out of the day.The woman in there is like, Oh, I thought that was you on the phone. Irecognized your voice. So yeah, cool. And then I proceeded. Just probablysound like a lunatic to the horrible. I've been sitting thinking wells for aweek, not talking in humans like Oh, yeah, well, what about about that? It'slike, you know, I am what I am. It's so you know, it's not a choice. So it's, ah, mental condition. Well, on Lee, a couple more questionsfor you. But Joey, is there some adversity that you have faced in yourlifetime? And how could you use that adversity to encourage people with theuniversity they face faced a lot of diversity Bed. I nearly died tuberculosis and strugglewith major depression and PTSD. A lot of my life struggle with addiction. Alot of I've had toe fight for my existence on this planet. I think onething that I was lucky to have was my sense of creativity that it kept me, uh, doing things I guess through it, allright. But, you know, I I really have...

...in my life just been through hell andback and that it's in some ways maybe very insightful and very strong in someways maybe very scared and wary of of chaos and red people doing crazy things. I think the road to recovery is isreally all about looking at all those things and accepting them for what theyare. It's taking a lot of courage for me to come back out of my show likeit's been, you know, number of years since I've been, you know, 34 yearssince I've been a road musician that I've kind of fall into my little shellwhere it's safe and detached from the world a bit. So it's taking somecourage and bravery and be like, Yeah, I'm gonna come out of my shell andstart talking And people might not understand it first and yeah, yeah, the you're in a bad mood. Watch FrankieMacDonald e don't know if I told you, but I was like Frankie, What if peopleare and how can you encourage people are her face adversity? Watch my videos.He's right, Right. Well, I've had some down days they'vegot me through. Do you have encouragement for otherpeople besides watching Frankie McDonald's videos? Knowing what you've been through, well,be that it could sound quite empty to encourage you if I don't really knowyou and what you're going through. So, you know, I don't want to just say thewords encouraging. I encourage you all to be to be empty about it. But, ah, quite a few of my friends of ah haveeither fully stopped or or really challenge themselves on their drinkingbecause of my attitude toe, You know my change in my life. Uh, I'm at a place where I didn't think Iwould ever really get to inside, so mhm. You can't give up. Ah, you'llnever get there. If you do, you'll never find out how much weirder itcould get. Gotta stick through that. But I mean, there is no simplesolutions, and we have a society that that wants to give you a simplesolution. Through aside, take this, do this, do that. Just talk. And itdoesn't work that way. I mean, to really face yourself is what you'regonna find healing and that's that's, Ah, hard battle. It's that takescomplete honesty. If you're not ready to be honest with yourself, it may be awhile before you're ready to take the next step in your life. Whatever thatstep is, I think, to knowing how difficult lifeis and when you have, say, talents and skills that some people have and youhave in particular, like you are talented weather forecaster. You knowthings as much. I mean, you say no, but is a meteorologist. You have a musicaltalent and ability that most people don't have. You said you wish you weremore popular, but you still have a magnificent writing ability and yourwonderful on musical instruments. Thanks, Brian. And you're fightingfires, right? Most people only hear about those fires that are being foughton the West coast of North America, and you're the guy that's fighting thosefires. You're living out as a mountain man where most people would be tooafraid of, let alone be able to. So when way have those difficulties? Ithink it's part of it is, you know, wondering our purpose, wondering whywe're here and living that to that, um, the goal or achievement, but in themeantime, taking those little steps with the skills and talents that we'vebeen given in finding little nuggets, gold nuggets, if you will, of joy andfamily and friends and honing your skills and doing those things for theglory of whatever you do, the glory, whatever. You do those things to theglory off. Someone said You're not into the 12 step program, are you? They said12 steps. I'll know 12 million steps, man. Yeah, you want 12 easy answers.You probably end up back in the gutter, if that's your attitude. Is thereanything else, Joey that we haven't touched upon? That you'd like to addsome things you're doing, Or, um, also how people can get in touch with you.Is there anything you could send your message on the Facebook? I guess, ifyou like. But, uh, check out my YouTube channel. Uh, see what we're doing. Thecommunity a logical report the episodes...

...and feel free to go Thio Joey onlyoutlaw band that band dot band camp dot com. You can hear my albums for freeand all that. They're so, you know, have a listen there. But all in all,just, uh, take care of yourselves and treat yourself good every day to try tofind Find some way to treat yourself. You know, really realize you deservethat. A little bit of self kindness. I have one final question for you, Joey.Fire away. And you touched on it. You didn't say in particular. He said itgenerally, but why do you work? Oh, my Dutchman e couldn't stop. But, Imean, there's so many answers to that. I got child support to pay, you know,but yeah, I think I think I'm hoping tofind myself by this time next year. Two different set a set of circumstances inmy life as a working person, and And I guess we work towards those things toget there, right? I mean, we don't have a We have to put food on the coveragehere. Part of why do some of the things I do is just pure creative drive. Ican't really help it. So, um, why do I work? Partly I love I'vealways said I hate having a job, but I love working hard, right? So, you know,even if even if I'm home for a week with nothing to do eventually got toget out puts. Um, I mean, pretty strong guy in my forties, but you don't youdon't just get that. You will keep that if you sit around too much. So you knowthe human being is bit toe work. In a a sense, you're meant to be busy. Not notcrazy, busy but mentor toe have things to do to create, tobuild things. And that's just that's our spirits. Part of who we are is aspecies. It's one of these great gifts we have. We work because that's who we are. Well, Joey, I appreciate this time,Joey, Only the weatherman, the musician, the firefighter, the mountain man whohas many gifts and skills and talents. And I would want to encourage, you know,with the blanket encouragement, but to keep going. Joey, I know life is noteasy. We all have adversity one way or another, as you mentioned yours, Thioto keep on going, for whatever your motivation is, whatever those goals youmight have. But I like what you just said is you don't You don't like havinga job But you like toe work. And I think that should I don't ever seemyself a person who retires. It's Yeah, I don't. I'll be 75 80 years old. Stillout there doing something or other. Yeah. Odd job in Or this or that, Orwho knows? Uh huh. I have a feeling that workopportunities are on the horizon right now, and I don't just mean aboutweather, but other things in life just got await the winner out, see where itgoes. So got the skills. You've got the hardwood e. I just got it. I'm just gonna walk a line now. You gotthe work. You have the work ethic, I think, Joey, you're just looking forthat one thing that's it's gonna that sense of meeting. Well, like Isaid, I'd rather go up to the mountain for the date. I could sell a load ofwood for 200 bucks, do that in three hours and worked for myself for Yeah, Icould go do something that makes me totally unhappy. Now, that other jobthat would make me totally unhappy. Uh, maybe we'll probably make most peoplepretty happy, but I'd be sitting there doodling and thinking of songs. Andyeah, this is monkey stuff. Well, I think as little as you think you are,but I think you might think you are. You're a very personable person, andyou have a lot to offer other people. So you enjoy your mountain man title. Ithink you have a lot when you come down to the town. You have a lot to offerthe people the wisdom from your experience and don't ever. I thinkthat's not invaluable. It feels weird after after 20 years of Club ofmountains toe to realize Oh, wait, I'm at that age now where I could you cancall me that. It's not something weird. E. And I've been at it a long timeliving this while, you know, and you just you never know whether it's Ah,fire call in town here or it's ah, you...

...know, someone paying me to guide the oryou just never know, you know, whether it's snowmobileguiding or fishing or hunting. I just you just never know in a week what Imight get up to. I realized that's part of the beauty of making some of thevideos I'm making two. Is that Ah, A lot of people are kind of blown awaywho don't live in BC. Your They see something like that in this thing andpeople still do that. Yeah, man, keep up the work. Joey. Joey only Thankyou. For this time I have appreciated. I've learned a lot and I truly valuethe work that you're bringing, even though it's not full time at the moment.And thank you for coming on. And I appreciate the work that you dio yourbeauty buddy. Keep talking. Thank you for listening to this episode of why wework with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, Follow and share with others so theytoo can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself aproductive, joyful day in your work.

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