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#106 Jan McInnis - Comedian & Speaker - BrianVee WhyWeWork


Jan McInnis is a comedian, keynote speaker, comedy writer, and author, which is how she earned the name "The Work Lady". Jan has toured the U.S. and has written jokes for the Tonight Show and other syndicated programs. Jan helps people bring humor into their professional lives.

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"Hi there, I use what I've learned as a comedian to help business leaders deal with change and enhance their communications, and I do it all with high energy and lots of laughter. Check out my keynotes below. I've shared these with thousands of organizations - from the Mayo Clinic to several of the Federal Reserve Banks, and just about everything in between: Health Care, Education, Safety, Hospitality, Financial, Sales, and Women's groups. Send me a note, I'd love to hear from you!

My Keynotes are:

CHANGE KEYNOTE: "Finding the Funny in Change" - I give unique and practical tips for handling change using humor. Groups learn how to diffuse tension instantly, kick off tough conversations, and facilitate communications during change situations.

LEADERSHIP & RESILIENCE KEYNOTE: "“Bouncing Back: Handling Setbacks with Humor & Resiliency” - Bouncing back. That's the key in life. Whether it's personally or professionally, we all hit bumps in the road when things go “not as planned.” Comedians know this more than anyone because they have a very high profile job. And when something goes wrong, it needs to be fixed fast and on the spot. In this fun and informative keynote, Jan offers tips and insights on handling life's pitfalls so you can move through these challenging situations. Don’t let blunders and mishaps hinder your future success! This keynote is based on Jan’s book, “Convention Comedian: Stories and Wisdom From Two Decades of Chicken Dinners and Comedy Clubs”.

COMMUNICATIONS KEYNOTE: Finding the Funny in Communications - I'm a comedy writer (written for the Tonight Show monologue, radio, greeting cards, CEO's, etc) and I'll show groups how to put humor into their business communications so that they connect with clients/coworkers, keep people engaged in what they are saying,sell their products or services and stay memorable.

Cubicle Comedy & Emcee - this is for groups that just want to sit back, relax and laugh. My clean humor focuses on work, family and day-to-day life. I've been featured in the Wall Street Journal, the Huffington Post, and the Washington Post for my clean humor.

I'm also author of 2 books "Finding the Funny Fast: How to Create Quick Humor to Connect With Clients, Coworkers, and Crowds" and Convention Comedian: Stories And Wisdom From Two Decades Of Chicken Dinners And Comedy Clubs."

I enjoy what I do and it shows!


Let me know how I can help! My email is . . . Jan@TheWorkLady.com" (LinkedIn)

Welcome to why we work with your host, Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going on and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here is your host to why we work. Brian V. Um, Brian V. And this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Jan McGuinness. Also known as the work lady. Jan is a comedian, keynote speaker, comedy writer as well as author. Today I want to find out from Jan. How can we be funny in the workplace and not fall into the gutter? Keeping it clean as Jan does in her comedy? Join me today in my conversation with Jan the Work Lady McGuinness, I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure. Speaking with Jan McGuinness, the work lady. Good day. Fine lady. Hi. How are you doing, Brian? I'm doing wonderfully well. Thank you for coming on here. I really appreciate your time Jan. For people that don't know who you are, what industry are you in? And can you tell us a bit about you and I were just talking about some of the things you're doing now. What is it that you're doing now? Well, and I'd like to thank you for saying the work, lady because I have been introduced as the working girl. That is a whole different profession. I'm a comedian, all right? And I do the work late because I do a lot of work jokes, and I, um, people can't spell McInnis. So I figured I have to come up with something. So I came up with the work lady for the website, and that's kind of what I go by on occasion. Um, so I'm a comedian and comedy writer, keynote speaker of author, you know, stay at home with the dogs. Right now. Yeah. Today nowadays is tough on many industries, but comedy for surgeon? Yes. I had a lot of stuff book for last year. My last out of state last gig was on actual stage was on March 7th last year, and I had a lot of stuff booked. It moved most of it moved to this year 2021 1 or two moved to next year. Um, so we're hoping for a good spring and everything lightens up here. I'd like to see that stats on saying Netflix or YouTube and the number of people turning to comedy. Because over the last few months I've turned to comedy and I don't know the secret desire. Don't Sorry, I don't mean to insult your industry by being a comedian right on. And I know everybody says I'm funny. I should be a comedian. I'm not funny, but e wonder how many people turned because of being locked in And unfortunately for comedians. Although, as you said to me a moment ago that you're still able to do some keynote speeches online and stuff, it's still not quite. I mean, the idea of going out right, being out and seeing, seeing comedian or for you being on stage and getting that feeling from, I wonder how many people are. Actually, there's a new if there's a new interest in comedy, a new appreciation for because I know I have it myself. Sure, I think I think entertainers in general have really helped out, You know, we've got the we got the health care workers. We've got the front line, you know, grocery store workers. But then after that, we've We've got people like, you know, they're helping our mental health, which I think are the comedians, singer, songwriters, filmmakers, all the entertainment folks and probably the park service. All the all the state national local parks that are open and letting us get outside and get our...

...mental health. Uh, together. So, um, I hopefully people have gotten a new appreciation of going out to not just the big blockbuster stuff and big concerts, but they go out and see some local talent during the week when things open up. Yeah, I certainly discovered this newfound interest, and I wish I had the opportunity to go to a club, right and goes to listen. Thio, listen to anyone's to get up there, because when you start to understand which I've seen some things on Netflix, the the dedication it takes on your part toe to write a joke. Maybe you could even talk about that the process and then getting your set and then being up there and having that that sort of special moment, right? I'll say, I'll say that doing these virtual are fun, but you're talking to your computer. And the hardest part for me is afterwards you turn the computer off and it's sort of let downs like, Whoa, you're not talking audience members. You're not interacting. You're not running to the airport. Um, so that's that's kind of the weird part about the virtual stuff aside, you know, laughs during it, but certainly you're going to get used to just having fun in your own head. But then you have writing the jokes. You know, it's really hard to figure out. Uh, if something's funny if you've written. I mean, I've written material over the cove it, but there is absolutely no way to try it out. I've had people who wanna be comedians. Contact me. That's a great start writing. But the this is the Onley job where you really have to to learn by trial by fire, you have to get on stage and do it. Um, you know, you can't. You can read books and practice in front of your mirror, but you've got to get up there and learn your timing and your stage presence. And, um, if the jokes even work, I write a ton of stuff and it always shocks. May you know, you write jokes and you think, Oh, this is gonna just hit great and nothing And then you kind of throw out of line or you're kind of talking or you're a joke that you didn't think was that big. A deal kills. It's really Ecevit's. And I talked to some other comedian friends about that once we were all together writing, and I think we came up with maybe two out of 10 jokes that you write really Hits is, has some legs on. It's going to stay something like that. It was really amazing, and they were all having the same experience that it's not Everything is funny. Um, you know, certainly you could right into your character. And if you're things that you say with your persona or funny on stage, do not funny on paper. But the process is Ah is really stopped right now, when there's not a lot of back and forth, it would almost be like being, ah, scientist or someone that's making medicine and stuff, and you have no patience to give it to right? You're making all these thes wonderful medicines and like, but I can't give it to anyone. So you're like, I don't know, testing on yourself. I'm still here and right now, and you know, I'm doing keynotes and I slide in a joke here, there. But you have no clue. And it was like for me also, when I'm doing material, the new material, the first time I get out of my mouth is sometimes it doesn't really get the big laugh anyway, because you're just kind of forming it and seeing how it works, you got to tweak it here and there once while joke just hits off the bat. But a lot of times, you know, it takes a couple of tries to get it out there. Um And then there's the jokes that we try over and over, and then they don't work. They don't work. You let him go for six months to try him again. And years later, you're like, I got to get rid of this joke. But there's something there, you know, you just won't give up on it. But right now we're on kind of this treading water pattern waiting toe. Um, I think you know you can run it past friends, but it's really you need the audience. Oh, here, here he comes. Or here she comes with her joke trying to test your neighbors like, Oh, no, I'll tell you, I learned a long time ago when I first started out. Don't run it by friends, because if it doesn't get a...

...laugh, if you're just trying to throw it into a conversation and then it just sort of like, Oh, maybe it wasn't funny. Um, And you never want your friends to go to tell you what's funny. You don't say, Hey, what do you think of this? Because a lot of times, if you're not on stage or not in the moment, you're not You're not performing it. It doesn't come out funny anyway. So, you know, I just shy away from doing any of that stuff and and nobody I have to say friends really don't want. I want you to be on all the time. That's no fun for anyone. We've all been around those people that are always have to be on and always have toe, Um uh, pop off with jokes, and it's annoying. You know, my friends, they're like, Wow, Jan, you really This is really like a job for you. You don't You aren't always on. If if you met me on the street, you wouldn't in the airplane People ask what you do, you know, they're shocked because you're not sitting down talking, throwing out lines and all that. It's it's annoying. Yeah, I think it's one of the hardest professions to be in, to sit, to have someone sit in front of you That's a comedian and say, Be funny. Uh, make me laugh. Yeah, yeah, well, you get that when you dio. Over the years, I've done hundreds of Radio State interviews and you know you have. Once in a while you get one that doesn't know how to really interview, and I'll be like, So tell us a joke. It's like, No, that's not how it works. You got you gotta, you know, I'll give you some setups. You know, in advance. I'll tell you, ask me about kids asking about work, you know? And then then Aiken kind of throw it in casually in conversation, not tell me a joke. Make me laugh. I don't plan on being humored here. I want to get to the nitty gritty of the work lady. So when did the work lady become the work lady? As a teen or preteen? What was your first job? Jam? My first job was Gosh, I worked at a retirement slash nursing home, My friend. You want to know my first job job? My first comedy job? No. 1st 1st job, maybe selling lemonade, delivering newspapers, baling hay. I did. I had a newspaper out. I think I made one or two cents of paper and we It was hundreds of years. Every Wednesday, my brother and I had it. Oh, I think I was, like, 12 or something. Yeah, I was trying to think if I did anything to make money, I know. And I, you know, no. Did the newspaper route when I was. I guess 16 was when we're allowed to work, I did the nursing home slash retirement home. It was a new concept back then to put people into thes, um, sort of not. They weren't nursing home type thing. They were sort of Ah, what we now you would go in if you like 65 or 70. You don't really need help. But you wanna kind of a community? Yeah. And they had a They had a memory care function to it, but it was a sort of a people could move in. If they were in their apartment, they could live on their own on. I wouldn't exchange. I was 16. Why? Why did you do that? I mean, even the newspaper route. What got you out of the house to do that? My my mom wanted us to get a newspaper out. She want us to do something, Make start making some money. I did. Baby City, too. I hated it. I didn't, uh I'm not a kid person. I did do some baby sitting. Um, didn't enjoy that. And the newspaper out, My mom just wanted us to start earning some money and get moving. And so I think she kind of set it all up. And we got this this route and we had it for for a few years. Yeah, as you got into college or story as you got into high school, Did you start thinking about college? Did you think about a career? How old were you when you start thinking about what possibly could have been your future. Well, uh, gosh, good question. I think since I was a kid, probably tenor nine or 10. I wanted to be. I thought about being a comedian. I never told a soul. I never told a soul. I just thought You gotta work. My dad...

...didn't seem to like his job very much, so I thought We gotta do something fun. Calm. I was never the class clown. Nobody ever. Only one person came up and said, you know, they have the superlative senior year of high school. Um, like, best dressed and most athletic. And I'm better than you. My friend Judy came up S o Do you know, sometimes you say funny things, so I'll put you down this funniest eso I got two votes being Judy, but in my class reunion a couple of years ago, Judy is the only one that came up to me and said, Oh, you're comedian. That's perfect. Everybody else is like, really You weren't that funny in high school. You are you still living at home with your parents? Uh, but so I wanted I thought it be fun. E thought you gotta work. Okay, I'll be a comedian. But I didn't tell anyone because nobody said I was funny. Nobody. So it's kind of in the back of my head. I went to college. It didn't really know what I wanted to do besides that. And remember graduates. What did you take in college? I was communications major with a minor in psychology. Went to Virginia Tech. Loved it. Have fun. I remember thinking I'm gonna have a job with travel. I remember walking across campus thinking I'm going to see these friends. We're gonna head off into different parts of the world. But I'm going to say because I'm gonna have a job that maybe I'll be a comedian. Maybe I'll travel. But I really didn't have any direction. And there's no college course to be a comedian. There's now people have courses they wanted you to take to be a comedian, but there was no path. You know, if you wanna be a doctor, there's a way to do it. Lawyer. But as a comedian, it was there was no path and and I guess I waited for permission for a while, waited for people to say you should do it But I never told anyone I want to do it. And graduation night we went to dinner to celebrate my graduation with my family. I remember looking at my parents and thinking now is not the time to tell him I wanna be a comedian. Eso I did. I went into a market. I stumbled, literally stumbled into different jobs. So did you secretively write any jokes from the age of 10 on? You know what I did? I had a diary, and I used to watch sitcoms out of the time and I would write my ideas for sitcoms. And I remember one time my brother stole my diary and thinking he's gonna find all my secrets of the boys I loved and this and that he When he read it, he came back to me with this look on his face like you are weird. It's like it was a diary that was not and nothing he expected. This is he just gave it back to me. It's like this is nothing I can use against you and that. So I kind of wrote stuff and I did throughout my early jobs write down things I thought were funny Bond, which turned into be some of the jokes that I started off within a couple that I still have in my act today. When did you first take the stage? As a comedian. I had some starts and stops. I had I started. I guess I'd done my day job. You know, the eighties was the big boom in comedy. Well, I did. I wasn't doing stand up. Then I was had a day job. I believe I went thio. I took a class, and, uh, it was just one of these little open university classes you consign up at night and we had to do a final for the class. And so I, um I wrote some jokes, and I know what I know what I did. Actually, before that in the eighties, I went on stage once and had an open mike had a great How long was your set? I think that's a five minutes comedy comedy question, right? Like how long was it? Okay, Yeah, 3 to 5 minutes. Remember? I, uh but maybe three minutes finished up. I was so freaked out by the lights because I can't see anything. It looks like you can see Can't see anything. And I was so that was so foreign to me. But people are laughing. It was great that I walked out of the club and the...

...professional comedian that was there that night. He was emceeing the open mic Er's He followed me out and said, Will you please do this again? Please? You were really good. Please do this. And I waited seven years. I missed the whole eighties Boom. I was so freaked out. So then I took a class and I got, um, way had to do a little five minute thing. This is seven years later, six or seven years later. Five minute thing that said, uh, comedies comedy thing and I did great. The instructors, wife and his girlfriend were the judges, and they they loved it and they came up to me and they're just like, you gotta try this again. And so then I still didn't do it. Then this Jay Leno, in the nineties early nineties, 91 92 somewhere around there had something called the Jay Leno Comedy Competition, and what he was trying to do is find a comedian. He was having all these competitions at comedy clubs around the country to find a comedian to be on this show. So you have to send in a tape, its first to the TV station. And they were in every state, in every every city. It was massive. Many, many comedians got their start with this and are least got on stage. Well, I I thought okay was I had to have the tape postmarked by the day after Thanksgiving that Friday, and I didn't have an act. I mean, I had a few jokes I've had from the class the year before and 87 years earlier. So I I thought, Well, it's the day after Thanksgiving. My family's funny. I go to Thanksgiving dinner. I'll write some material. I didn't know you took a long time to write material. I didn't know anything going home for Thanksgiving to do some research. Yeah, I waas and I was at the time I lived in Virginia, so my parents were in Virginia, so I didn't have to go very far. Well, nobody was funny at Thanksgiving. Nobody was funny. And so I remember going home that night and thinking, Well, I've got no material. I have to have this postmark by tomorrow at five. So I went to bed. And the weirdest thing, Brian, this is I believe the universe pushes you to different things. I had I still have my marketing job at the time, and I I've been going to a lot of trade shows and they give you, um, at the time, the big giveaway gift was an alarm clock. I never used them. I threw him in the in this, um Ben, I had next to my bed, and I never used an alarm clock to wake up. I never needed Thio that next morning half a dozen alarm clocks went off. It was May at 7 a.m. And I by the time I found, got them off and they had never gone off. Never. And I was wide awake and I thought, Well, I'm also trying to write some jokes. Eso I had borrowed my dads little mini cassette. I didn't know you're supposed to mail in a videotape. I did not. When they said tape, I didn't I was so naive. I borrowed my dads mini cassette recorder and I wrote some jokes and walked around my living room and read them into the recorder. I don't know. You're supposed to do it live. I I was so nice I mailed this in, Got it in literally 20 minutes for the postmark. You know, the next week the TV station calls May, and she said we've picked You're one of the contestants. We've got, uh, night in Maryland, the night in D. C. Tonight in Virginia. You're gonna be on the Virginia show. Uh, e I mean, there's a lot you have to win that they need to win the state or whatever. But she said I said, how many people entered this contest? E mean if you're calling me? She said we had over 100 people. You're one of the 10 that's gonna go to Virginia. I was I was floored. Okay, Floor. Tell me if I'm talking too long, but this is just great. So s So I said Okay, so they said it's next week. So the next week, the Maryland show was the first night, and I was watching the local news and the newscaster arch Campbell was broadcasting from the Maryland Comedy Club and I was watching it going, Okay, I've got to do my jokes in a couple days. And I practiced with...

...the light on in my face, you know, because I knew that was what scared me before. And Arch Campbell said, We're here at this comedy club in Maryland. There's a contest to be on the Tonight Show. We have professional comedians vying for a spot, and I jump straight out of Bedouin professional. I would have done this once. I had a class. I've been on you tube, but like I was freaked out. So we So we get there. Finally, that night comes and my only goal was to not be the worst. I just thought Okay, if I get is hanging and not be the worst, you know, I'll save some face. Well, I got there and there was the other comedians. I I literally knew nothing about it. And they got how this works. They said, Well, we're gonna drop way. Wanna pick spots? You know, I was so naive. I said, Well, take spot four. I didn't know they they all looked at me like I'm an idiot. They go, we draw numbers. Jan, you can't just pick a spot. I was so embarrassed and I said Okay, Okay. And I ended up getting number four on, and I ended up. I went on stage and I wasn't awful. I was I was pretty good. I got I had some good and bad moments, but it went well. I have One friend of mine showed up. I only I told my friends do not show up. My one friend showed up Cheryl and with her husband and they they enjoyed it. And I had a woman come up to me afterwards. Said, you gotta do this again. You really do a woman. I didn't even know who she waas. The next day, I'm in the office. I'm thinking, Okay, that was That was good. Next time in the office and my office mate comes in and she goes on, they just see the newspaper. And I said, No, she goes, Well, you're in it on. They had they had written up me in one of my jokes as well as other contestants. They said some of the contestants were good, but a little uneven, like McGuinness. And they put in one of my jokes, Uh, Nobody could get the paper after that because I think my mom bought up all. Yeah, but I was floored, so I still I'm still Bryant. I waited one more year. I'm literally This is ridiculous. And but I thought I'm just not I've no entertainment background. I you know, this is it. I'm not I'm not a comedian. So finally, I couldn't get the bug out of my system. So the next January, I thought, I'm going on one last open like this is it. This is done. Get that. I am a marketing person. This is and I'm not doing this. I went and opened my local club in D. C. The Comedy Cafe, A room, A very good room And, um, I had to do. I walked in and we drew numbers. I was number one. I was member freaking out, and I do not wanna be number one. Some poor guy traded before me for number four. Never saw him again. Probably was number one. And I went up and and I had to dio five minutes. I got through three minutes rocking just. And this is the same club I had been at seven years earlier for the open. Mike just rocking. And I remember when this voice in my head said, You can't remember the rest of the year. Five minutes Just get off the stage. You're doing really well. So I got off the stage and I'm sitting there having a little sea salt in my head about I gotta do this. No, your market. I gotta do this again. No. And the emcee tapped me on the shoulder and he said, Call Pat tomorrow. So who's path? He said she books this place. She saw your act. She wants to give you some EMC work and it if you ever, ever had epiphany that was mine. I literally walked out on air walking, thinking This is what I'm doing the rest of my life. I don't know where it's going. Take me. But I'm doing this. I'm going into a full time. I'm gonna make a career. And I I did. I ended up getting work with Pat. She booked me for that room at a room at the EMC, and I kept my day job about 2.5 years after that, working all nights and weekends in comedy clubs and finally I left my day job and did it full time. It's 25 years later since I left my job. That's amazing. Yeah, it was. So Maney starts and stops and so many things happened, and, uh, it just kind of pushed me into it. Did you make a conscience conscience decision to stay clean because you are...

...renowned for having a clean act and, you know, there's some people that have there does. There's some people that have clean acts, but the more popular ones are not clean. And then even the ones that air clean kind of push the envelope to where the suggestive aspect of it just makes it not as clean, not knocking them, but did. How was that process for you in making that decision? Well, I always tell new comedians new if you If every other word you say is cuss word and you are dirty and you want to talk about sex or drugs or rock and roll, you know you're going to do it. You mean you're not gonna work the places I do, But you gotta be you. That's what people pay for us to see you, Uh, you find the punchline If you're clean, I mean, you have to find a strong punch line because you can't use a f bomb to find it. Um, you to punch it up a little bit, You've got toe have a good, good, good punch line. Um, I just wanted that's kind of how I am. I mean, I do cost everyone stubbed my toe or whatever. Get mad. Sure, like us and I don't have anything wrong. See anything wrong with comedians who cuss or dirty as long as it's funny and there's a punch line for me. I wanted my family and friends to be able to come out and not be embarrassed either. And I don't wanna talk about I just you know, I don't wanna talk about certain things on stage, and I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. I also was very, very fortunate Brian at the beginning of my career, um, working in the marketing world, I first of all, my marketing materials were way better than my act at the beginning, but also I was able to see the corporate market. I remember having a putting together a big business convention for major corporations and we hired entertainment. We heard the Capitol steps out of who in the singing comedy troupe Out of Off of Capitol Hill. Very funny. And I remember handing them a check for at the time, and this is 30 years ago. It was like 10,000 bucks. And I remember thinking, Wow, they're making a lot more than I make in comedy clubs on their clean And there, you know. And there's a corpse. There's a whole market here of conventions and I would tell say that the comedians, they're like, No, no, I was just Christmas parties messing. No, I think there's more here. So I kind of went that. Knew that a new of that, or knew there was something else out there besides comedy clubs. I love the clubs. They're freeing, and you can do what you want and say what you want, But I kind of like the convention market. Well, do you have the temptation to kind of push the line, though? Is there? Is there that sort of thing? You could see where this joke can go? You can see you know, the difference in the convention market is you know, the person who's drunk and being a jerk to you might be the CEO who's paying right in your check so you can't go after you just can't the comedy clubs you can and I have. I mean, I've had some dicey jokes, so when I started out because you do these bar gigs and sometimes you have to just go into him a little bit. There was no Facebook or iPhones back then. Nobody could, you know, yeah, fill me and then put it on Twitter and ruin my career. But I was never even even the dice is divided. Say a cuss word or kind of get me that someone. It wasn't it wasn't I felt like it. Sometimes I but really, you know, my act was never also one that people feel like they want to scream stuff and yell and be mean and try to get into it with the comedian. It was never one of those kind of acts, so I never really had a lot of hecklers and had to deal with stuff where I felt like I had, you know, cover my territory or whatever is there. Is there some comedians that you look to just to see you Like how they do their act, each and every time a fan of...

...or you emulate. Well, the ones I really like. Um, John Payne, unfortunately passed away recently. A couple years ago, I guess. Very funny. Kathleen Madigan's very funny Jim Gaffigan. Very funny. Um, e you know, I was like some Jay Leno. Rodney Dangerfield. I like the jokes like the joke joke joke. I do 3 to 4 jokes a minute. Kind of like they dio, um, set up punch. You don't like this. You'll like this. You're like, you know, keep going, type of thing. And that's what always made me laugh. So that's kind of that's kind of old school style, but that's what I've been. I've enjoyed E discovered Jim Gaffigan most recently, and oh, he's great. Yeah, they keep you started. I think he started. Um, he was ahead of me, obviously when I when I started out, but I think he started by saying he was like a satyr. He looked like a Saturn car owner. He got kind of known. I think he's the comedian that started that. So I kind of got people on board with the everyday dad look very funny guy. Really funny. I've enjoyed Kathleen Madigan's great, um, like is a JonBenet I'm trying to think of. There's so many, um, funny comedians. I know that people have never even heard of, you know, the work in the road. They're working the clubs and they're very good. And, you know, you don't get a chance. Toe people always look at the stars, and they don't really see the, uh the other people are making making living at. So as you're in the career, how did you realize you could pivot some directions and make a living out of it as well? You were writing for different things as well as being a keynote speaker on helping people to bring humor into the profession. Well, uh, the keynote came later. I did the stand up comedy. I was a comedian, and then I went I just finally had a point where I had needed to leave my day job. I just couldn't do it anymore, so I jumped off and went into stand up full time in the comedy clubs. I picked up some writing gigs after that, just doing some freelance stuff. I have sold jokes to Leno's Tonight Show monologue. Guests on the Jerry Springer Show Radio TV cartoon strips indicated cartoons, greeting cards. I did a lot I just picked up, you know, here and there. Just meeting people who have connections. Jerry Springer or Jerry Jerry Springer Show. I've sold a lot of different Uh, not not to Jerry Springer himself. Thio. Guess people e Isn't that show reality? I'm not gonna say they needed jokes, e. I think so. I don't know, you know? I don't know. I don't know what e didn't watch. You know what? I wouldn't watch the episode. The person I sold the jokes, So I just said, I'm not watching the episode, All right? I'm not I'm just you send me a check. So that was an injury. That was kind of a side. That must be even if you didn't watch it or listen to that particular thing being on the late night show, it must feel pretty good. Thio have written a joke. Oh, it's fun. Yeah, It's, uh it's fun. It's fun that I wrote a lot of radio stations around the country, uh, sold a lot of material. I'll be driving around the country and here the D j. You know, say saying one of my jokes, a friend of mine out here in L. A. Actually, one time we were talking on the phone. She was, Oh, this D J. This morning said the funniest top list and she starts to tell me about it. I said, You want me to read it to you? It's on my computer. I sold it to him. I sold to And you know what I was when I moved out here, I was hanging out the Melrose Improv one night. It seems like everybody I knew how to deal like a development deal, you know, with one of the TV station CBS or ABC. I didn't have anything, and I felt really, really was feeling really bad about myself. I'm driving home that night. It's like 11 30 at night. I walk into my little studio apartment, flip on the TV, and there's Leno doing one of the jokes I sold him, and I'm like, Yea, I got something. Eso It is fun. It is...

...really fun to do that. But the keynote speaking came about 12 years ago, 10 or 12 years ago. I've been doing full time, left my day job 25 years ago. So 10 or 12 years ago, uh, people's 2008 or nine somewhere in there groups wanted humor, But we were having a recession, and they said, We can't justify just a comedian. We need a message. So I wrote one. I put together some key notes and and I'm really one of the only comedians I know that doesn't like working nights and weekends. I'd rather work during the week during Monday, 9 to 5 and keynotes were perfect. I mean, I was doing some comedy shows, usually breakfast, lunch, dinner. But the keynotes were great and you're funny and people get a message and they get some tips and and they just took off like wildfire. And so I was very fortunate toe move into, uh, the keynote speaking. I do way more of that than I do stand up comedy. I was touring up until the Cove it I was touring theaters with another comedian and the baby boomer comedy show. We're doing our comedy acts, and I imagine we'll probably picked some of that up next year or this fall. at the earliest. Um, but, yes, I got into keynote speaking. He had helped me get into keynote speaking as well. And I love it. Just fun. You know, the groups are great. They're not drunk. It's not 11 o'clock at night. You know, I'm doing I'm at lunch or breakfast or some of them. Uh, yeah, not enough. The conventions, not. I have not really hit too many drunk conventions with my keynotes, but comedy I did at night I had a couple of comedy keynotes for for groups that they were pretty pretty out of control. You know, you just go up and think, Okay, this is a paycheck. I'm getting a paycheck. I'm doing, you know, doing some combat here. I thought there might be some flasks and some of those suits I've worked for a couple of drunk clients that were just wasted. Not, you know, but what do you do you like? Okay, just just let me get on stage. The worst are I think the thing I really don't do anymore, many of it I don't do it. I haven't done in a couple of years, Aziz holiday parties, Christmas parties for because everyone nobody wants. The comedian gets pushed to like midnight because everyone's drinking and partying and dancing. And they just keep pushing you later. Later. And you're the only sober one in the room. And those, er those were hard. I was not enjoying those, so I interviewed Frank King. Oh, yeah, Frank. Thanks. One of the ones that got me into corporate comedy. Yeah, Yeah. Eso his messages. Mental health, right? Yeah. We're using comedy Azaz. Well, what is your specific message that you're bringing in with your keynote presentation? I have to pretty popular. Keogh three. Actually, one is the most popular is called Finding the Funny and Change. How to use humor to handle change they good one thes days on, then bouncing back, handling setbacks like a comedian. And then I've got one on communications finding funding, communications. How how dio use humor. It's more for sales. People use humor. Your message to get people to listen to you connect with you, remember? You wanna listen to you? Do you have ah message for just regular people in work opposed to just sales people that to bring comedy into work to make? Yeah, I see my finding the funny and change. I talk about how to use humor in change situations, how to defuse tension with it. How? Thio kickoff. Tough conversations. So I've done this for every kind of industry. Healthcare, um, you know, finance. Uh uh, name any kind of education. You know, I've done it for all, uh, any kind of insurance, um, to tell people how to use humor in business. Um, because it really is a business skill. If you want to sit down and start a conversation or, you know, you just had a big, uh um, change. It happened in the office, and you're...

...gonna sit down to a staff meeting and not address it. Guess what? Everyone staring at you. They think you don't understand what they're going through unless you can find a way to address. And you could do that with you, work and pop in a little bit of humor. You've addressed what's going on and then kind of move on and break the tension and Oh, yeah, change the energy, change, the energy. You mentioned skill. And obviously it takes skill and talent and being communications. You had a marketing job. Some of those probably helped you develop your craft. But there's there's something even over the last few years, something you that you're really trying to hone in on on a skill, especially in comedy. A skill? Well, um, not quite sure, like so I've learned from comedy something that it takes time to develop. There's something that you need. I mean, it could be something like patients where you know, from one gig to and the other or crafting, crafting a joke and, you know, just using different words or something who are listening of a skill that might be necessary. Oh, you need to have for comedy. Oh, Lord, patients will be one. When I first started out, friend Jeff Caldwell said, You know, there's a lot of waiting around in comedy, and that is the there. You're waiting around for the gig. He gets that gig you're waiting around to go on. There's a lot of waiting around. Then you gotta keep find some way to, uh, stay up and ready and to jump on it any moment. But the other skill, I think, is a resilience because there's a lot of things out of your control when you get on that stage. It looks easy. But that's only because everything came together easily. You've got the lights and the sound. And the audience is, uh, not drunk. And they've been focused. And you've had a good introduction. There are a dozen things that happened before you get on there. And so any one of those out of whack and you could have a bad show. And you've got to find a way to get yourself back mentally back on track after that bad show, because, um, you know, if you want to make a living at it, you've got to find a way to put that into a little box and move on. And a lot of times when I'll, you know, I analyze it. Go. Okay. What? Um, what was it that went right? What was it that went wrong? What could I have controlled? And so a lot of times, there's not much. If I could have controlled, then you have really have to let it go and move on, because otherwise you will think about that every single time you walk into a situation. What is the longest? Um, take that you've ever done. How long have you stayed up on stage. What was the longest amount of time? One particular done, like 2.5 hour keynote before a break. But yeah, they wanted me to dio for comedy. Man. After a dinner, I tell people you want 35 45 minutes, tops. People are tired of eating. They've been drinking. They want to go back to their rooms or to the bar they don't want, You know, I'm not famous, so they don't want to sit here for a long time. But I've done, uh, usually comedies an hour, hour and 15. Probably the tops. But the keynotes have gone longer than that. How do you develop into 40 minutes? How do you develop your act into 45? Maybe even an hour? How does that go from the initial putting a lot of one minutes together. A lot of call backs. I do a lot of call backs to, you know, to something I said 20 minutes ago on bond. So it's just crafting. I mean, it's just it's time. I mean, you've just got to sit down and write and, um, as you're on stage, if you come up with stuff off the cuff. Be able to write that out, you know, and put that into your act. A lot of trial and error. I'll get you to build your act. You know, since you started as a baby sitter, newspaper delivery person, as well as in the nursing home. But...

...you've also switched careers. Do you have any advice for people just getting in tow work, no matter what field it is and even getting into comedy? Yeah, I would say any regardless of field. Um, you gotta do it a lot. I would say cross pollinate. Look at other industries. You know, I am. Don't just think of yourself as a comedian, your marketing person to your in different industries. And you've got to find do some of the tests you don't want to dio. Many comedians aren't, um, successful because they don't wanna market. They are. They don't wanna do the PR work or they don't. You know, they don't like to get on radio or podcast or they want someone else to do stuff. Don't leave it to someone else to do it, especially when you're starting out. When you get big and famous. Maybe, but not when you started out in any industry, do the things you don't want to dio make yourself do them. Because if you just stay with your little, I'm gonna write jokes. There are there are so many very, very talented comedians. All they want to do is write jokes, and that's fine. If that's and you want to stay at that level and you know, right those jokes and get on the stage and do them at the same venues and you don't wanna move, that's your prerogative. But you're not. If you want to move, you're gonna have toe broaden yourself a little bit. Is there a mistake that you made in your comedy career that that that well, especially, I think if you if you're thinking about what you would have said, staying on the clean side of comedy kind of keeps you a lot safer than I've seen someone last year who, like a YouTube uh, comedian, said something years ago. They came back to bite her. Then she canceled. You know her channel, which had 25 45 million people on their something s. So the idea of so staying in the safe lane or the clean lane. We'll keep you. But even there there's some issues You could say something just offhand where it could rub, but is it is a mistake that you made that it helps you carry through, and it just helps you to learn from those mistakes. I'm in a lot of mistakes. I made a lot of mistakes. Yeah, I'm trying to think cause I'm working on ah, program for tomorrow about miss talking about some of my mistakes. I'm trying to think of some of the ones that I was just, uh, just going through my head. I think one thing I did that was really a mistake and taught me a lesson was I pushed too hard to move too fast in comedy. I want one occasion. Ah, good comedian. I know his name is Lord Keret. That's his real name is out of New York. Gave me some great advice when I started as a comedian. He said stay is an M. C. As long as you can stand it because it's a low man on the totem pole. You know, nobody makes money that m. C. Nobody wants to be the M. C. And what happens, he says, is people EMC, and they barely have enough material to get to the next level toe feature. Spot it xem. See feature headliner. You get in the feature and then you're a mediocre feature. You can, you know M. C. You need 15 minutes of material feature. You need 30 35 you barely get to feature, and you're just okay, so you kind of get you get stuck, he said. Jan. You got Stay down there. You'll you'll you can make your mistakes. Is the M. C. You can get really good at the EMC. You pull together to separate 15 minutes sets, he said. Pull those together that are really good. I am seeing and blast through the feature spot and you'll hit headliner faster. And then that's what I did. I took his advice, and that's what I did. One time I didn't before before I ever got his advice, I pushed to be in that feature. I didn't push. I was offered a feature slot at a nice club and I took it and I shouldn't have and it really, really had a bad, bad show, and I had relatives in the audience which is always bad, and it was hard, but it reminded me that Hey, you know, this is a process. It's not gonna happen just because you want it to happen and you need more money. Eso...

...patients. But also don't don't push you'll you'll know. I mean, I got to the point where the club set there's only one or two clubs that weren't featuring me and I let those go. I'm like, you know what? They they aren't seeing it. And I'm doing great. And then I blasted to feature and got into headliner. And then I got in the headliner, started headlining and then the door to the corporate comedy with Frank's helping some other help opened. And I stepped through that and kind of moved out of the club. So, um, you know, stay as long as you can stay at the bottom. You can make the mistakes because also you get the context of the bottom. You know you work with the headliner. The headliner is the famous headliner. If you're the emcee, they have context that they like you. They can help you. If you get to be headliner, you gotta have the context And if you don't Because you have been doing very long, you know, you're not You're gonna be able to help anyone else. It reminds me of the high school athlete who wants to turn professional. So it drops out of high school. Yeah, and I'm like, right, and I like that. I mean, I know sometimes athletes push a little bit because they could get hurt, and that could ruin their career. You're not gonna get unfunny, you know, way. And I was very fortunate to start before social media so I could make mistakes. And nobody in those bar gigs that I did that was so awful. There was no one taping me and say, Look, this person's awful, Um So it I watched on Netflix last week or something with Jerry Seinfeld in or Ni atoms? Oh, yeah, he did that and horny And, you know, I'd like to speak with him and talk to him because he's a hard worker. There's no doubt, but he just tryingto push it. It's almost like I'm telling you, I am funny, like Okay, good. Now just rein it back a little bit on, and then it will come and It just seems like he's putting the cart before the horse sort of thing. And that's what. Well, you have to have some confidence and you have to go out on that. One of the best lines I saw at the punchline in Atlanta, I'm not sure where if they're still in the same building but the green room right over the doors, you're walking on the stage. Some comedian has written as carved into the wall. Make them come to you. Mm. That's such good advice. You walk out and sort of bring them into your world, you know, make them come to you. Don't go out there. And you, this is funny. You have to know it's funny and you have to have confidence. But then bring them into your world, command the audience. And I think that's good course right next to it on the side. Some other comedians written carved in the wall. This is a great room. If you bomb here, you suck it out of the business. So s so there's two things you see as you walk out on stage. It's it is hard. And I mean, I could only imagine having spoke in front of people. But to get people in your frame of thinking and Thio, you know, let them enjoy the ride. And I can picture myself just sitting back, being the scepter, like, Okay, you're gonna make me fund. You're gonna make me laugh, and you're not. You know, if I can't make you laugh if you're not in the frame like I can't People have had a bad day and they just wanna be a jerk, you know, and sit there. Most people come when you come, especially to a comedy club. You come with the mindset of I want to see this. This will be funny. I'm open to this, and you really have to be open to it. Um, you know, you get the people that sit like this and stare to and I hate this, um I look over their heads, you know, because I'm not I'm not even gonna try to get you laugh. I don't care. You know, if you're gonna have that attitude. Damn. What about character in comedy? One of you found to be essential. I'm sure it's It's a little cutthroat. Everyone wants to make everyone laugh, but you kind of wanna do? Well, you might settle for being okay, But you you would rather do better than that person. Not against them personally. But you don't wanna be the worst. Well, certainly don't. Don't do wealth.

Expensive others for sure. You have to run your own race. I mean, you really can't pay attention to what? It's so easy to get in your head and to start saying, Wow, they had a great set. I gotta follow that. You know, you just have to follow it. I mean, I was following Michael Richards from Seinfeld. He was walking out two standing ovations. It was at the Comedy Magic Club here in Los Angeles. This is before he had the rant and everything that I don't. He was a very nice guy. I don't know what happened with all that, um, live comedy, you know? But he was walking out the standing ovations and and people loved him because it was they were doing, like, 20 comics a night. You get five minutes and it was a fun. There's a birthday celebration they do every July, and it's like I could even get my head and go. How am I gonna do this, or I can think, How can I do this? You know I'm funny. And so I went out, had a great line. I went. I said, Hey, you know Michael Richards. Afraid, uh, Seinfeld. What was this character Kramer on Seinfeld? Great guy. I said he reminds me every blind date I've ever had in the place went nuts, and then I just went into my act. So you you acknowledge it. You don't try to top it. You don't try to put them down and and do your own thing and bring people into you. And you're what? You're gonna okay, that that's there. I'm gonna talk about this, you know? Yeah, he was on Seinfeld's documentary or what was it? The coffee in a car? Okay, on. And he really regrets whatever he said. I don't even know what he said, but he regrets saying that, and it kind of threw him off, and I think he needs to get his mojo back. E I also, you know what? There's something about live performance, and people pay for that live performance. And if something in the room and I really, truly don't know what what per inspired. I just know he was a good guy and I don't know what happened. But people pay for the live experience. And it's a shame when nowadays a lot of professional comedians, they're saying, Ah, lot of stars were saying How it's so hard to go in and work on new material or something because you have someone popping up with a cell phone going, Hey, look at this person stinks. You know their act socks? Well, no, it's new material on you. Try to do that. It's very hard to do, Um, because you're gonna have the Internet going well. They've lost their, you know, mojo. Now they don't know how to do it. They've been in the business too long. So to me, it's frightening to go on stage and and something happens and it's taken out of context. And maybe, maybe again, I don't know what happened there, so I'm not going to say he did good or he did bad or whatever. Ah, but things were taken out of context. People pay for a live show, and I really should put their cell phones away and enjoy the live show. And if you get someone gets into it with a heckler. You know, um, then have it unfold the way it unfolds. But but certainly communities need to be nice. Don't draw the don't fall back on the, um if it's racial slurs or whatever it is, you're trying to be creative with your coming back. And I found out a few times I've been heckled. One surefire way to get the guy to shut up. It's always a guy. Sorry. That's always a guy is to go after his girlfriend or his wife. That's with him. They will get him to shut up, you know? And don't be me to start talking. Hey, are you You're with this guy. Really? Yeah. And they will get so embarrassed they were going to shut up. So, you know, use some tactics, some creative tactics. Um, but it could happen at any time to for a live event or a virtual or anything. And we got that in the back of her head, you know, watch what you say, because it's now. Could she? Well, there's the country music guy that's now in trouble for stuff coming back at him. Yeah. I can't think of his name, but you know and you and thank Thankfully, I had my bad sets during the pre social media days. I hope hope, hope there's nothing else and I'm was always and always have been up until zooms. I've been a...

...stickler for nobody's videotaping me. I mean, I have stopped this show with 2000 nurses once with a woman holding her cell phone up, and I stopped it and it was very nice about it. I said, Hey, I tried to get her to stop and I tried to get shaking. My head was looking right at her, shaking my head like put it away, put away. And finally, I just because it's my act is my only what they holding. What do you mean by holding your cellphone, trying, videotaping, videotaping, and I you know, it's my source of income, and I'm not say anything wrong. I just don't want her videotaping me, um, and sending it around because I want to control what goes out there. And I stopped it and I said, Hey, I see some people videotaping with their cell phones. Please put them away right now and then. It's kind of kind of stopped the show, and I, thankfully, had done some research on the group. And I knew nurses sometimes are frustrated with doctors. And so I was able to come for the quick line to say, Hey, you know, how do you How do you chastise the nurse? You call her a doctor and the place went up again and I went back into my actual that fortunately worked out. But I've had to do things like that. Um, because I don't I want to control what's out there. I'm not say anything bad, um, on stage. But the lighting could be bad. I could They could have a terrible angle there. Audio could stink, but they're you know, they're holding up there, and then that gets out there and people go, Oh, shit, it's not that good. It's not that funny or, you know, they catch one joke that doesn't get a great laugh. And so I really a stickler for controlling as best I can. Now virtually everybody wants to record. I said, You know, you can put it on a password protected site for 30 days, and then you take it off and you know, I'm really stickler for that. I wondered what goes through your mind? A comedian's mind When a joke that you've been working on. You have a set for 40 minutes. You've done it a number of times, That particular joke. And it doesn't work. What is? But you have your next one. You know, it's setting up for something else. What is going on in your mind if you're not getting the particular laugh that you hope for that you got in Milwaukee that you, you know, you've got down here? What is what is that? Is it just crying? True? Yeah, for me, it's, you know, I know it works because it's worked before. I know it also for me. I know the first couple minutes I called sort of my ally. Um ah, um, gauge. My failure gauge. The first couple minutes I do is on kids and family, and those jokes always hit way up here. They just they're just across the board. If I get in front of a group and they hit way down here first off, I know that's the way this group is. They just like they may be their accountants, you know, I have no offensive accountants. I've been in front of accountants. They laugh differently. They analyze your joke, and they laughed differently. So I know that it's hitting down here. This is how they are. It kind of calms me down because I go. Okay, that's how they are. I'm not bombing. They laugh. They just don't laugh like the nurses did, you know? So it calms down and you know the history of the joke. You know, I don't pay. I don't analyze. Every single joke is I'm saying it, you know, once in a while, hit a joke. One time I hit a joke. I was in a comedy club. He was a I think it's a fundraiser, and I did this McDonald's joke and just rocked. And I thought in my head I thought, Wow, that joke usually does good, but boy, it really did good. And afterwards the club owner ran over because that was great. That McDonald's joke, I forgot it was a fundraiser for Ronald McDonald House. It was about their food being bad. But she goes, they know their foods bad that you had guts to say that joke, and I thought, Thank God I didn't realize what I was saying halfway through because I probably would have swallowed the joke and are screwed it up or stop saying it. So I had just set it in my regular acting. It just rocked, and I thought, Oh, God, that went pretty good. What? Wonder why and finding come to find out these people kind of connection, As I had mentioned, I have a newfound appreciation for comedy, but I also watched many hours of comedians.

I even I even threw back like delirious. I mean, just from heyday times. Is there something about comedy or as a comedian? People may not understand and like with my limited research, Like I said, I'd like to be a comedian, But as you said, everybody wants to commit, be a comedian or think they can be. Is there something about it that people don't understand that you would like them to understand or even about you as a comedian, I would. Well, first I would like them to understand the amount. What you see on stage is is years on. What you see on Netflix is literally years of comedians and their best stuff, uh, that they've worked on forever, um, around the country and have worked their butts off to get, you know, worked terrible gigs and good gigs and low paying gigs and no paying gigs to get that. So it's not most for the most part, it's not an overnight thing. And there are so many elements, like I was mentioning before they go into something working like you see that you see someone in front of 10,000 people. Well, they have lights and they have a good microphone and and they have not had, You know, dancing girls go in front of them are or some crappy, you know, someone giving a speech that I've had had to follow. They read off the list of people in the organization who died, and then they send me out. I mean, so many factors go in to making setting you up so that then you go in and you can kill. Then you're set for success, and any one of those goes off and someone you know tries to be funny. And I've had people get up and try to be funny, and we got a comedian coming up. She better be funny or we're not paying her. You know, I've had someone trying to calm the crowd down by going up in yelling Shut the hell up. We have a comedian. I would shut the hell up. You know, I Then you set me up for failure. I am. I had a, um agent Hand me a check once, as he's paying me after the show when he said, uh, I wish I could make this much money for 45 minutes on. I just blew up at him. This this isn't for 45 minutes. You're paying me for the last 10 years being on the road, I slept in my car. I've slept in crappy, you know, comedy, condos and crappy hotels. I said what you saw up there was the easy part. You know, that was 45 minutes of fun and I that took his head off. So people need to understand what goes into it. And every comedy like comedy clubs get it. They understand how to run a show. But there's still some, You know, you have someone who's drunk or trying to help you out heckling. You got the check drop that comes in right in the middle of your show. You got someone ordering drinks or dropping a tray or there's so many factors. Um, they go into when you if you when you see a perfect show, that goes great. Ah, lot went in to get that great. You know, it wasn't and walking in with the material that you've practiced and worked on is the icing. Surely is is people I think research what comedians do to try Thio, you know, lighten the load of people. I think if you would get a lot of benefit from looking into what comedians do on a very long term basis to get you toe laugh for a few moments, right, right. And so we should also support the comedians when we and and the arts in general, the entertainers when and local comedians, you know, go out to the local clubs, go out to Cem, bar gigs and some comedy clubs and and support the unknown comedians because they're very funny comedians out there who are work on the road that their whole life and you know they're not famous, but they're funny and they to go out and see him. What's your cold chan? What is something that you have, boy, Get out of Cove It Let's my goal. You know, I just so much enjoy the...

...keynotes humor, keynotes. I like my writing. I'm I've got Hopefully I get some big I had some big writing gigs that were are on hold until the world opens up in the corporations Open Back up. Um, I think I I think I'm doing at the moment what I enjoy doing or was on the track of doing what I enjoy doing. Um, I don't ever see myself retiring. I e think my goal would be to get a little more known so that I'm not having to go after as much work. It comes a little more work comes to May I get. I've got a number of, you know, people calling me for work, but I do a lot of booking on my own on my part time assistant who works with me, and she does a lot of my booking. I'd like her toe not have toe do as much. Marketing just kind of got a little bit. Maybe that's when I'll start cutting back and semi retirement or something. E. A zit comedian, you also mentioned sleeping in your cars for the work. Is there some adversity that you have faced that either helps or hinders your work as a comedian? But you can also use that adversity to encourage others in the university they face in their work. Well, I'd say one starting out. Not so much now. Starting out women Being a woman was good and bad. Alright, it was bad because it would never put two women on a show together. They called it a women's show. You never think of twice of putting three white guys in a show by three black guys. But you would put you would for two women, but it was good. It was good in that if you if you're a good woman comic, you stand out more. Now. If you have a bad show, you stand out more, too, and you're bombing for every woman that's out there. Um, if a woman has a bad set woman comic that you know everyone's gonna walk away saying women are good Twice I've had groups. Um, one group came up to me after a show with the Comedy Castle in Michigan in Detroit, and they said we have to apologize. When we saw there's a woman on the bill, all of us look to each other and said, This is going to suck It's a woman because they think we're dirty They think we're not funny And they said you were fantastic and we apologize And the other time was out here in California I was walking up to a to an event and to a comedy club, and there was a group standing in front of my picture and one of the women in the group goes, Oh yuck! It's a woman comedian. Yuck! I hate them and I walked by her and I said, Well, we're not that bad. You're really embarrassed And we went inside and I had a rock and set and I can't see anything on the stage. But I knew where they were sitting. Every time a joke hit, I'd look in that direction like her. I got you so so that you know, And for that I just said, Do your thing. I mean, do your thing be funny. Um, and I had a comedian one time who Ah, he was very, very, very dirty. And he was told to be cleaned by the club owner. I told him I don't care what you dio. You know, I'm not going to tell you not to do your act of your act progressively all we got dirty or dirty or dirtier, and I'd still go up to follow him. And at the end of the week, he came up to me and he said, I don't get it because I have thrown everything at you. I've been is, you know, dirty. I've gotten the crowd up, riled up. I've I've done audience work. I've got it. You walk on and you follow me with that clean kid stuff. Well, I don't get it because I want your job. And he was trying because I want your job and he's trying to make me look bad so that he could get the headliner spot. I looked at what I just said. Just do your thing, man. Don't stop trying to get me do your thing. That's when the club owner sees your humor and your funny and then move you up. I'm not the funniest comedian out there, but I do a good job. I show up on time. I don't drink up every beer in the bar. I do what I say. I'll do if I'm going to do 45 minutes, I do 45 minutes. I don't do an hour, you know? And I'm polite and courteous and professional. I some people miss it...

...on the easy stuff like that. I said, Stop trying. You know, just stop. Stop trying to get other comedians and make people look bad. Do your thing and people will, uh, the stuff will resume. Your jokes will resonate with the club owner and they'll they'll move you up. That's what happened with me. Yeah, that's I don't mind people who have a little bit more risky material, but I think there's also Then you have to be riskier and riskier. It's kind of like, yeah, leg and you have to kind of catch it. I don't care. Be funny. Just have a punch. Be funny. Be funny. I don't care if you're dirty, clean Christian. A lot of people think clean means Christian. If you're Christian comedian, you have to be clean. But if you're you know, if you build yourself is the Christian comedian do churches? If you're clean, comedian doesn't necessarily mean you doing the church stuff, But I think people think that they think, Oh, you're clean. So you must be doing a lot of church material. Um, just have a punch line. Like I said, if you're dirty and you cuss allowed or you talk about the topics that a little dicier, um, you'll find your venue won't be where I work. But you know, there's a lot of famous comedians who are dirty. Richard Pryor would cuss, but his stuff was funny and you take out the cuss words. It's still funny, you know, on That's what you're aiming for. Be funny. Then say it. The way you say it, they're they're paying for you. They're paying for you. Eddie Murphy. You know he's funny. He cusses, But he's funny. Be funny. That's the number one rule. Joan Rivers cost a lot, but boy, she was funny. But she was. She had edgy, dirty material. She was she She was funny, you know? So this is my You're younger than me this into my generation. People know I've listened to them as well. I actually listen to Richard Pryor last weekend and, uh, yeah, they are funny and I appreciate comedians immensely. Jan. How can people get in touch with you? Thank you. My website. The work lady dot com or LinkedIn or Twitter or Facebook or any of that stuff they'll work. Lady dot com is my website, though Janet The work lady is my dot com is my email Jan. One Final question. And that is why do you work so I can have fun ride my motorcycles and hike the national parks. What kind of motorcycle gear? I have a Yamaha 6 50 v star and a Honda 3 50 CB 3 50 when I got a couple of scooters. Nice. Jan McGuinness, the work lady comedian, keynote speaker, comedy writer and author of Finding the Funny Fast. I appreciate the time you've given me in the work that you dio Thank you, Brian. Take care. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, follow and share with others so they to be encouraged in their work. E hope that you have yourself a productive be a joyful day in your work.

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