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Episode 86 · 1 year ago

#86 Ivey Conerly - Christian Rap Artist - BrianVee WhyWeWork

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Ivey (IV) Conerly is a Christian Gospel Artist, Evangelist, and general hard worker for His Lord and Saviour; and he would be the first to admit that anything good comes from the grace of his heavenly Father. Ivey's mission is to see lives supernaturally changes by the saving Word of God for the glory of Christ Jesus; Ivey's music is one means by which this change of heart can happen.

Ivey helps organize "The Mission Commission" in California, which is a free ministry to people in the community with music, food, and a Word. https://lighthousesj.church/

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**Twice I mentioned Too Short; I meant Easy E - I'm an idiot. - Brian Vee

...welcome to why we work with your host, Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which would be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going on and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here is your host to why we work. Brian V. Umbra Envy. And this is why we work today at the great pleasure of speaking with Ivy Connerly. Ivy is a Christian rap artist, evangelist and audio engineer. I wanna find out from Ivy today how competitive the Christian rap scene is, as well as how he shares with people that being bad, as they say on the news or in TV and the movies is not always what we think it is being bad as being something else. And I want to find out how he differentiates between the two and how he shares that with other people. Join me in my conversation with Ivy Connerly. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Ivy Connerly What do you have? There. You in the afternoon? No, no, I just got my office lit up pretty pretty good Your evening. Good evening, young man. Yes, yes. Thank you. Ivy, for coming on here. I was just telling you, I truly appreciate you doing this for me as most podcast go. And I don't know the best way about going about doing it, but can you give us a snapshot of what you're doing nowadays and who you are, and then I'll bring it back, Okay? Yeah. What I got going on right now is it's quite a bit, you know, I work full time and, well, everybody involved in ministry obviously worked full time. Eso uh but I got a 95 regular 95 people don't know that. Also dio a lot of music gospel, music, gospel, hip hop artist. Uh, and I serve as the outreach coordinator at my my job, so I'm humbled to lead in that area. It's called Lighthouse Christian Church here in Santa sent. So I'm actually an image, but you could throw a rock to Santa Central basic, um, and yeah, husband on, uh, step father. Grandfather already? Yeah. Yeah, Oh, yeah, Yeah. And, uh, you know, basically, you know, that's all I do. Study God's word and seeking me prayer and speak to do evangelism. Aziz, Best as I can as he gracious me in that particular area. Eso Yeah, love, love, Christian apologetics, obviously, and and locking arms with like minded brothers as well. I've I appreciate that. I think throughout this interview we're going to talk a lot about Grace, and I think, or at least if it's not overtly or directly said, we are speaking out of grace. So ivy, could you can you bring us back into what would have been and I'm not gonna go into? I have a question specifically about how the world defines bad, but how we may understand being bad. So keep that in mind, as I don't want to go through your life, you can go online. You can find a lot of things about your life, my life, everyone's life. But I want to find out what would have been your very first job. The first job that you would have done to get out of the house. Maybe you made some money. Maybe you didn't. My first job initially like this is pre, um, version pre conversion. Just the very first thing that got yet a house. If it was out of the house, whatever you were doing, okay, money. Money was a big, you know, really a big fan goal of mine every day to get up and try to do something, you know, always had cats around me that was like minded. So hustled a lot, man. I sold a little bit of everything to get money, stolen goods and all that. I get home independence and yeah, and I'm sorry. I ve and I don't want to even bring it down. Any path that I think I heard you say not to incriminate. And I could I could do the same thing, right? I could. There's lots of things I did. What was how old were you when you when...

...money became a thing like and the idea, too, is no matter what people's motivation, right? Whether saved or not saved, people start to get a desire toe work. I mean, us. Looking back now, we could have done things differently, but still, there is this desire and we were doing it may be improperly, maybe incorrectly. But there was something going. Right. So at what age did you start thinking? I need to make some money. Uh, well, I was about I mean, all through my childhood, I kind of knew that money was a big deal. You know, the top of God brought up in different conversations or arguments. And what have you? Um, because way was pretty poor. So money comes up a lot when you don't have it. And you know, things you want in grade school, new, you know, new shoes, new clothes and things like that. My parents did the best they could, and they did quite well. I would say, You know, um, looking at everybody else, you know, naturally being greedy. You know, I'm saying, born a a center, you know, you're gonna look at the holes and you know, your genes or just kind of looking rough. So you wanna just make money? So I was probably like when I really started to actually seek money on my own. I was probably, like, 13 years old, isn't it? Isn't it funny that you said having holes in their genes, But some people by holes in their genes nowadays. Yeah. What are you doing? You're like, No, I want some nice jeans and these air. Nice. Now they're charging a couple 100 bucks for them. That's right. Yeah. Skin your the better the ripped up, the better. It's like, Man, you need to get your money back. But, uh, yeah, so yeah. So yeah, man. Uh, yeah, I'll say 13 with that age. I was I was very young and impressionable, and and I saw cats around me, kind of shining. And, you know, that's my vernacular for saying doing well for themselves. And, you know, they had, you know, the things that that was actually intriguing for young man, you know? You know, the cars, the women, the jury, and that was really important. So at 13, I was I was beginning to wrap a lot more taking this seriously, and I wanted to just blow up as this hip hop artist didn't care for the fame too much, you know, didn't care for the spotlight but cared about that money. So yeah, that that was about the age and and actually, my when did you start making some some more consistent money? When was it. Not that it wasn't consistent throughout this time. But when did you get maybe get a job? That was a pay paying job. At what point? Yeah, I started working, man. I worked there like McDonald's. Everything I was, like 16. Yeah, but it was short. Yeah, Yeah, it was short lived, you know, because, uh, I just saw that man. I mean, I got home boys making triple double this, and in a few hours, you know, eso force my day right there. Minimum wage. So you tried. E tried. I mean, I did even quite a few. I made fake ID so I can get temp agency jobs before I was 18 when you know, they was requiring 18. Uh, you know, here and there. So I'm a fake ID's. I don't know how they look kind of crazy back then, but, um, but they accepted it. And and I worked for a couple of or actually, quite a few hours play part like five temp jobs. Maybe. And those was very short lived. 111 job. I actually quit the first day. I was higher. Yeah, man. Didn't didn't like you something. Uh, yeah, I mean, I'm one of those guys that that just kind of marched, especially in the world March to the beat of my own. Trump wanted it, you know, being autonomous in my simple state. I wanted to get in my way. I wanted get fast and they didn't care how I was going to get it. But I really, you know, was what's passionate about it. So I did what I did to get it. Well, I commend you. I mean, it's tough, right? Like I also had friends that seemed like they were just doing better than I was. No matter what I did, it just seemed like, Well, yeah, I mean, I guess you look, we're looking for other people, and they have that too. And I want that. So it's not that everyone was doing better. It was just different. People were doing better in different aspects of their life, and you could always reach and try, try to attain something that we're gonna get. And once you get there, there's always gonna be someone. Remember, I e made an i d. I got an I d. And the reason was so I could bungee jump jump off of a, like, stupid was I, uh, So you're into your teens. You're You're into music. I know. As a young child, you were influenced by people all around you who listen to music. You're getting into music. When did your music start to take traction as well as continuing to work? Um, Or I guess, when old were you when you made your first album?...

I was 13. Nice. I was starting to like Like when I was searching, uh, how it started. I was rapping. Yeah, I was rapping upstairs from, you know, my neighbors and whatnot and my neighbors, uh, my neighbors, uh, I think it would be her. Her daughter's boyfriend. She told him about me like, there's this young kid that's always rapping. Sometimes I think it's the radio with his him. And so he came over and, like, introduce himself and you know, so we met. And then from there hey, was like, man, I got a studio. So, you know, you could come records. I recorded my first song, and man, it was never the same after that. I was like a fiend. So any time I could get over his house bladder by my bike. Walk e catch a bus. Yeah, I was over at the house making music, writing all the time at the house, so I was just a workaholic at the age of 13. So I have my I definitely had an album dump on it. How is how is school going for you at this point? Up until high school, What were you thinking in terms of what you wanted to do around that time? Yeah, man. I mean, again, I was so focused on music, I had a cousin in the industry by the name of South Central with the LBC crew, and she clicked up with Would would be her baby dad. Later on, C style. Who helped start the dog? Pound was snooping every s Oh, yeah. And so anyway, once I heard her own records and on and on, like the radio and Def Jam CD by the name of the show soundtrack, I knew that if my cousin could make it, I could make it. So that was my whole focus. So, anyway, school it was there. But it was kind of like a blur for me. I didn't really have a particular subject or a particular goal that involved the education that they could give me at that time. So, I mean, I did what I did, I guess, to pass. But, man, I was one of those typical, you know, to get you in school. You know what I'm saying? Out with my friends, you know, drinking, smoking and, you know, getting into all types of little mischievous activities. It's funny how much how much time we waste today. E mean, your your your bona fide theologian. Now, like, just think. Yeah, but honestly, like you, you put in the effort towards knowing what you know and what you know sometimes, and it's only by grace. But we look back, we say how much time we wasted, especially in our youth, when you know getting into mischievous things or doing whatever it is we were doing just for me. Wasting brain cells and just wasting time. Tick, tick, tick. So you were fully committed to music. This was your first priority. Your first agenda and nothing was was gonna Did you have the voice? I was gonna ask you some. Have you ever been compared to any other rap artists? do people ever say? And maybe you don't like it or you do like it or you kind of rub up and say, Yeah, I have that sort of style. Is there someone in particular? And I'm not talking about being Christian or non Christian. I'm just saying, Is there someone that you kind of people said your voices? I mean, did you When did you get the voice that you have now? Or was that just years of hard labor? Yeah. I mean, when I was listening to my to myself when I was a teenager, especially 13 14, man, uh, something. Some people still have the records. And I'm like, Man, I sound like a female or a chick chipmunk or something. But you had the talent, though, So that was the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they love the way I projected my voice in the past that I had when I was 13. But I've been compared Thio Well, when I was younger, the brat And then later on, when my voice got a little deeper, Uh, Tupac and then But the game, a lot of people say because, you know, I got a raspy voice shall sound like game. And I don't hear that much nowadays. I would say for the last by seven years. You know, um, people just recognize me for me, but But I I think those are the two artists that I I would get compared to. For the most part, no one says DMX I've heard it, but not like a ZMA Muchas tupac with the game. Yeah, I mean by two. Top to I mean, I hope it's not insulting, but DMX and Tupac most certain I mean, DMX more East Coast. Would that be the division there? Would that be you would Mawr relate to West Coast? Does it divide like that?...

Yeah. I mean, all of us, for the most part in California, man, we all we all like, especially in the world, idolized we ought allies California. So those are the artists that we particularly love to listen to. I mean, I could go to the East Coast and catching up in West Coast music. I mean, West Coast just have a very heavy influence. Now we would seldomly play East Coast records. I mean, my brother, my older brother, he did, He was just a hip hop here he was. I mean, he listened to everybody. I mean, he put me on really the rap, you know, Kool Moe Dee. You know all You know what I'm saying? So a big daddy, James, You know what I'm saying? EMC Bri, uh, you know, you name it, uh, was Father m. C. You know, I was listening to all the heavy d and the Boyz. Um, man, I mean, I mean too short N w a That that was I think you're you and I are about the same age. So it would have been around that same time even a little bit younger than two. Short N w a. Right? Yeah. Yeah, but I loved it, man. I remember listening to ah, uh, we all in the same game when he had all of you know, the compilation of ramparts like Digital Underground N W A. M C Hammer all on the same track. And, you know, they were trying to positivity back then. But I love that record. I used to play it all the time, and and so but But the West Coast had this unique sound, but but but also this gravitating sound that I was used to, uh, in my youth, you know, my parents would play old school records. You had that phone, like the dad's band S O s band. Uh, you know, uh, George Clinton and and, you know, Parliament all them. You know, I'm saying that have that heavy baseline with the loud snares and the uptempo beat And just that phone, you know, that really, really captured captured me. So when West Coast music started toe implement that, especially a question like the the early nineties mid nineties That sound was so unique. And, man, that was something I just rather take it too in love Just ended up taking it and run with and I mean and just ran with it and one of my sound to be authentic but still have that same type of essence to that Onley that West Coast C I V. What you're doing right now is you're getting to the essence of what? Why I have this podcast and the idea of the podcast why we work is as a Christian, I understand we do things for the enjoyment and glory of God. But not all people do that right? Obviously. But in the work that people do their inadvertently glorifying God in their talents and their abilities because it all comes from God, whether people acknowledge it or not, how do you differentiate or to explain to people? Because I think rap music sort of Christian rap music is relatively new, right? It's not new in the, you know, a few decades, but it's it's hasn't been around for, you know, people been writing poetry. And then there's the new thing with music. How do you explain to people? And I think I would be able to do it in the same way in this podcast. I could get people, um, on board that do both things that glorify God regardless of what they do and has. You're saying listening to people from West Coast East Coast rap, whoever you know, the artists were most famous ones that were not Christian, and you're able to take not necessarily take as and take their their beats or anything but the inspiration from some of the things that their hands, their words their mouths have been able to create, and use that as an inspiration for your own music. because regardless, if they knew that they were glorifying God or not, there's beauty in it and we can look back as Christians and say, Well, that might be a little bit crass Now, when I was younger, I still like to beat. I could still listen to it, but you know, that's a little bit harsh. I'm not gonna go right that and tell my mom about it nowadays. Before, maybe I would have told my mom. Did you know I would have told my mom when I was younger? But how do you explain to people the idea of Christian rap music and also just music in general in the beauty that that is created by you as an artist and other artists? Yeah, well, Scripture states that all good things come from God. Um, there's there's There's nothing wrong with even enjoying or enjoying with with with some of the pagans created. Of course, we have to be careful. Those that have over scrupulous conscience, they can't really handled some of the some of the content on and would not when it comes to music. But of course, when it comes...

...to the arts, like maybe even the art of making a movie, you know they could appreciate are what it is without it truly bothering them when they're watching something that's rated over. Whatever the case may be on, there's nothing wrong with just enjoying what they have created because we know that God created them even though they may not be, uh, walking with the Lord, They may not be recognizing them, or we know that they all still no God, they were made in his image. So yeah, and so we are just born to create, you know, from the Creator. He creates us in his image, and that's why we create and we work. We do what we do, Thio produce something that that would be good to us. Like when God made the world. This is good. This is good. This is very good. And so, um, I just encourage cat's cat's toe, actually, uh, enjoy it, but see it for what it is, You know? I mean, if you can if if if you could get a on inspiration out of even with the pagans done and and and say Wow, that that lines up with Scripture, that that looks like what the Pagans did in the Old Testament, and God punished him for it and recognize it and see it with the biblical world through a biblical lens. And so when I make music, that's what I, uh, hope to do. Obviously, with Christian content is to make great art because we serve a great Lord. And to do it in such a way where even the pagans could be like the same way we are when they create like, Wow, that's good. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's good, and and then we we hold them accountable by saying, You know what, what is good and who's the, you know, the authoritative person that even created a think such as good. And so of course, we would all have toe agree that it's none other than God. And so you know it's a pleasure to do this art to his glory in tow, impact the body of Christ and also affect those that that aren't necessarily in agreements with the biblical world. And I like how you say that, you know, it does e like how you say that because if you were talking East Coast West coast. You say you know Tupac or biggie or whoever it is you want to compare like they've created you, might you might not Steak for biggie with East Coast. But whatever it is, whoever you say, they've created some impactful things, right. However, and, you know, in their last days, we would hope, and we don't know that they called out to Jesus and repented and put their trust in Jesus Christ by grace alone. We would hope that regardless in the work that they created somehow could still be an inspiration. When, from what I know that you and I think you and I are similar in that we came to Christ 2000 and seven. You're saying around that time 2000 and nine, did you push back everything? And then because you talked about people of weaker conscience unable, you know, taste not touch, Not those sorts of things Where you How are you in your sensitivity, as you first came to Christ to where you are now. Yeah. I mean, even even before coming to Christ, Uh, I had just enough self righteousness. And me, I know God was working in my art, so just throw away all my rap music, so I threw away pretty much most of it. Um, then the full manifestation, obviously, in 2000 and seven is when I believe that that man God was just like Avi. That's that's it, you know? Get it, get it together. I was so convicted in my heart, and I was one of those that did have a kind of over scrupulous conscience. I mean, if you would ask my wife, she would tell you in my earlier he was a conversion. My your wife got first day. We're not doing that. No, no, no, no. Yeah. You know, my wife was upset. Yeah, it doesn't mean, you know, I went from doing, you know, everything that was easy to together, and then all of a sudden, it's like, No, you're not doing this that the third anymore. You know, at least I'm not, uh, and it was a hard It was a hard battle, man. But thank God for she She stuck in there, and I mean, I'm telling you everything was shit, you know? So, you know, I was just like, maybe, you know, if I mean, if I didn't have a clear conscious about it in Scripture or I didn't see the Scripture. I never heard of it before being justified or justifiable in the work. And I was I was totally against it. So as a bad man, God, that allowed me to grow until I was able to handle certain things because I didn't wanna be that Ferris e. I didn't wanna...

...be that professional stumble, er that who practice asceticism. You know, I wanted Thio enjoy all of the things that God put on this Earth bus to enjoy. Like he said, I've given you all things to ritually enjoy the even says, Well, let me have that. Indeed, greedy the believer says, I can't be greedy for just a couple of things because there's too much to enjoy. So let me do everything in moderation. I don't wanna pass up any of these joyful things that the Lord has put here. And so when you look at it and those you know, like I tell people that's in violence, like there's so much more than enjoy you just cooked on this one thing, and all you're doing is serving your flesh when you can enjoy a lot of things, but also serve others and and, you know, and and and and have this fulfilled life in Christ. So yeah, man, I was I was one of those. They're very, very sensitive in the conscious and still could be, Sometimes even as the older believer And And, of course, it's our own purple walk with I'm sorry. First personal walk with God, personal walk with God that that would allow do certain things or not do certain things, you know, But also never as you know, never to pass judgment on a stronger brother will weaken brother in the faith. But before our master, we standing, we fall, You know what I mean? So with and I and I agree by you know what? We throw things away, and we don't want to feed the flesh, But do you, in some way not regret, but wish you didn't throw away all of your albums. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have I have a couple of songs here and there. I think my wife has to see the old stuff. Yeah, but there's so, so many. I think you through all of your writing away too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I had shoe boxes full of these verses and notebooks full of versus. And, you know, the funny thing is, you could at this point, and I don't know if it's the right word, but you could edify that so much that you could take what you wrote. What you were thinking like you could in a video or something. You can have yourself. This is what I waas. And this is what I I am, right? I mean Oh, so, yeah, I've done things like that and just wish I wouldn't have been so dogmatic or yeah, legalistic, I guess, is doing and and being, like, we got to get rid of this. So how about now in some of the jobs I know you're on audio, engineer. Even since 2013, I have a few. You've been in several movies. You're like, Boom operator, audio engineer, sound director in all about How did you get into into that work Trump from mixing and master in my own music. So shout out, Thio Stuart Henley, rest in peace. He was like my mentor when I was, like, 18, 19 years old. I used to go to a studio in Hollywood off of sunset in Wilcox. And then later on we moved to another studio top flight, which is the same owner on some surgical anger. So any God he would teach me how toe mix When when it was when it went from like will the real all analog gear, too. Um, like the digital board when everybody was recording on the digital eso eso he taught me Really? How the master I think at the time he was working on a 16 80 a role in 16 80 so I ended up stand up for like, 24 hours until I have to think thing pretty, you know, pretty down path. And anyway, from their man years later, you know, they got into software when you put on your computer and then do your own edits and you're recording there, and with a little bit of analog here, you can have it's sounding the semi professional or even professional, depending on your skill set. And so I had brothers like Chocolate Knocks and Marcus Pittman Pittman from Apology of Church. I think now he said Moscow as well. He is him and his wife, Moscato, and they go toe Christ Church with Wilson and, uh, then brothers at first David Shannon, which is the doctor Knox. He was at wretched radio free. Oh, and, uh, somehow, you know, we linked up, got the music, and we all became friends. So I would go out to Atlanta, Georgia, fly out there, and 11 day he got a new assignment to do a documentary. Those guys was heavy and film and all that good stuff. I I didn't know the lingo. I don't know anything about filming. Uh, they were like, Manabe does his own records, and and And at this time, I have I probably had about enough about a good four records underneath my brother time with my records for having me and for albums you had. So, at that point, you had election was a denial justice system, even up to under God at that point. And...

...you maybe even king of kingdoms know what I'm talking about? No, that wasn't yet. And actually, the unknown God wasn't yet. It was before the line. So it was right around the justice system kind of era or a little after that when I started to work on a film How to answer the food, I think was my first film. So it was after Justice, Um, And with side Jim Brewton cake. Uh, you know, of course, the apologetic film. If you know about it, it does. Presupposition apologetics, you know, And so and so man, we went to a lot of places anyway, they had the idea, like he misses his own music when we give them a shot at the field audio engineer. And so I knew the I knew the language off recording, So this was basically taking my mixer that's in the house and put it outside. But of course, the different advice. And so I didn't really know anything about whom Operation, but I knew about direction on if you have ah, condenser, mic or dynamic mic or I'm the, uh, directional microphone versus the directional microphone. So I knew all that. So I'm like, Well, if I get the microphone in the right direction and, um, play with this device this'll field, audio mixer and recorder that I got here, I could make it work. And so it just so happened that I was I was like a natural at it. Uh, and then from there started to work on them or documented recent film. I find it funny. I see on I m d b some of the credits that you have, like you just mentioned how to answer the fool, the River Thief, Court of Appeals, Mondo from Altar Boy to hitman, Wisdom on the rocks, The opiate diaries, Kilroy and Cecilia Some of those and maybe some or as a Christian. And you're helping one. Do you? How do you find being behind the scenes and helping make movies and TV? Siri's like this? And also like the idea of how to answer a fool like from a Christian perspective like you might have a new idea like, Yeah, this is This is an interesting take on a movie or show or even from altar boy to hit man, right? Or, you know, the idea of switching it from whoever we are from hitman to, you know, not altar boy, but a Christian say, Do you think of those things and the idea of movies and the industry itself? Are you thinking of writing your own movie? Would you like to star in some. Yeah. I mean, I have a couple of cameos, like one in Mondo and, uh, one and Kilroy. I think it's Kilroy. Um, and then, yeah, So I got a couple of cameos, but and a little, you know, a couple little lines. It's funny, because when I was 18, we have a movie in my little homeboys neighborhood. Captain, if he lived in schoolyard neighborhood school yardage a gang out there like school your career. And, uh, we filmed the movie called Gang Tapes. And so at this time, you know, I was bouncing back and forth between Escondido in Los Angeles. So my own question l A was like, man, once you come down here for the film And so I saw the gear, I saw the boom operation. I saw the whole set. It was like my really my first time doing, you know, doing the movie. I didn't have any parts. I was an extra. So I had one little line. Uh, that was saying that I I know you didn't drop that. So, uh, when the actor just came home from jail and that was about it, so I was I liked the scene because it was different. I mean, you sort of harmony in the neighborhood. Everybody came out. So you had only a few, actually, everybody else exactly actually, in the street in from the street and really, you know, fly gang members and stuff that that that was dropping their guards to Because it's exciting. When you go to the neighborhood shoot everybody wanted, you know, be a star and do something different and talk and brag to your home boys. And you're like, Yeah, my life. My life ain't just blowing my time out here in these streets. I'm doing something with my life. Check it out. But, uh, yes, so So yeah, man, by the grace of God, I was involved in that. But there's always things that the Christian Al I look at on the set, like what could be improved. So some of the films have quite a bit of my input with some of the shots or some of the transitions even switched up a couple of little lines that I would hear, you know, from the director it was okay to him. I say, man, I think this word is said to any time, you know, because I'm hearing everything. Eso you know, Won't they say this instead? Or this looks more realistic and and then, yeah, I actually have thought about doing doing the film, doing the rial. A controversial film, I guess, because I don't I don't really want, like, real life what I'm saying to be to be shown on the film, because how do I make a...

...film about, Let's say my life or like somebody I know? How do I make their life story without telling it accurately Jeans with the accurate language and accurate teams I'm not. I don't have to get to grab and people will understand, you know. But when I look at pure Flix, I'm like some of the Some of the stuff is good, but I mean, it's like it's not reality, you know? You know, for the most part. And if you're looking to grab an audience a vast majority of people with a good message, then I think you could do it in such a way where you, you know, when you don't offend and when people can walk away and say, you know, that was a good film and they forget about the curse. They forget about this scene or graphic scene or violence. They could just get thio. They could see a transformation of what God does in individuals, lives, miracles, true miracles from changing a person that waas this that in the third and making them something effective for the kingdom by the spirit of God. And so I think that could be done in many ways. And I haven't really Oh, pinpointed. You know what I'm saying? How I want to do it or when I want to do it. But, I mean, I got a lot of things, uh, that I believe I wanna do before transition from this world. Like man write, write books. I definitely want to write some books. Uh, you know, And I definitely want a few films on my own, so but it's good on the set. I'm able to always preach and evangelize. You will not do Cem, Cem, Cem work amongst the pagans. You know what I'm saying? And that's that's That's pretty. You can walk around. You could walk around, say, I got the mike e got the mic. It's funny you say that because we we subscribed to Netflix, and we canceled it because it was horrible. And then we got it again because we were bored. And then I keep looking and it seems like a lot of the shows. I mean, there's an agenda. I mean, not over. People don't know about it, but it's just it's either light or not, I think, but some of their fine. But it seems like the writers air writing to form people not to inform, like something that's authentic but to form people in a certain way and how they want the future to be like I saw, like, a preview of a something because our kids and it was showing kids in the classroom with the teacher and the teachers like, Oh, can I have your cell phones? And the kids were, like, overreacting. Oh, I can't I can't go without my cell phones. I can't do it all. I think I'm gonna pass out like what? Uh huh. For us 10 years ago, five years ago. You know, maybe 10 years ago we didn't even have a cell phone, right? We might have had way, might have something that plugs in, and we had to go home. We had to call someone to meet up in all this. And so projecting this this form to kids that Oh, you need this phone. You this you can't live with that. Projecting that's not being riel. And I think that's good that you have a purpose and a mission. Thio, if you do want to create a movie or something is to be authentic because I think that's what wins people over and especially if you bring a true message to it, which is life changing, what could be better than that? Absolutely, Absolutely. I mean, and And the testimony off every believer is a miracle. So it you know, you know, it doesn't have to be this crazy. Oh, man, I was killer. Well, yeah, E do me a favor. This is This is the question I said in the introduction before we started is I want to get you to define What was it? How do you share with people that bad is not always bad. So in the news we see someone's bad, right? They did this. They did that They came from this. They went down this pathway and they were bad. You know. That's obviously and as you kind of hinted at just now, before I rudely interrupted you is someone someone killed this person or this person robbed this person and those it's so easy for people just pinpoint say that is bad. How do you share with people What truly is bad? Yeah, well, I I'll start by by the authorities of Christ like, Why do we know Lying is bad? You know, we know lying is bad because God is not alive and we made and we're made in this instance. Why do we know stealing is bad? He's not a thief, you know. He's not a killer. Um, he's not all these things. That's that's that's of the work, or or you know, of the works of the flesh that we possess. And so I would give authority behind with his bad with God says back in his word, and and and they know it because obviously reality teaches them that it's a universal truth, truth for all these things. And so they know it to be bad. And I say, Well, that's a part of God's...

...command, and that goes against loving him with all your heart mind. So in love, brother, as you love yourself. Um, and but there's a lot of I would say misconceptions of bad, you know, especially in the church. Um, we do exactly what the Faris sees. Do you know? Look at them. They're eating and they didn't wash their hands. They didn't do our which, you know, that's bad. And the bride groom says no there with the bride groom s so they don't have to do your rudiments. You know, they don't have to do what you say, and and there's a lot of dogmas in the church that would say, you know, Oh, I've used to rap in the world. That's bad looking what most rappers do. Why would you still want to do that or you still I mean, I got pictures of you back in the day. You still kind of have the same type of, um, outfits on and things like that. It looks urban. It looks like the world, and that's perceived as bad. I could flip the argument to say Well, you know, some of the most wretched people on this earth have suit and ties on stand behind. That's the funniest thing I've never heard that. And that is so true. Yeah, absolutely. And so I mean, it's never about appearance. Of course, God looks at the heart. So there are many things like, I mean, they'll see a Christian that is having a glass of wine with their wife or even a beer at a restaurant and say, Look, that's bad And it's like, Who says You know, uh, like the Scriptures say, That's bad. It may be bad for you And obviously, if I knew a believer was, Let's say me Post want to make him stumble, Yeah, alright, If I knew there was a believer at this particular place, I wouldn't order certain things, you know, Um, but it's, you know, it's so so so I would say, man, Uh, before we start throwing around moral on accusations, we need to know the authority behind these moral charges that we're trying to bring up to our brothers or we're trying, you know? Ah, hold till you know what I'm saying Toe or that were trying to hold to a standard that God never never intended for us to hold to. So yeah, that's how I was pretty much and the idea, too, of making movies where they don't have to be criminals changed by the grace of God, you could just be some regular 9 to 5 person who was doing this. That and the other living somewhat morally. But realize your own morality or your moral standard is not perfect and that we all fall short of the glory of God, the professional oot man. I mean, honestly, I would watch a movie like that. I would watch a movie about somebody who who is Ah ah, quote unquote goody two shoes, who's been self righteous their whole life and doesn't know God. And then all of a sudden, the whole world is broken and they realized how wretched they are because those are some of the hardest people to win. People who believe that they're Christians and not and or not and self righteous people who believe that good enough in and of themselves to obtain whatever uh, they feel is gonna happen in the afterlife when they die. So, I mean, those are some awesome transformations. Most of the time when people are broken and out doing fine, a lot of times they don't wanna do it. Some people are, you know, just wannabes and just wanna, you know, have the bad boy image. But but a lot of times, those were broken individuals, those that are hooked on drugs, alcohol, those that are are impoverished to such things are broken people who want to be free from it. So those transformations happen all the time. And and also we see a lot of that in the movies. But we never see somebody who is truly self righteous. Come to Christ seldomly. Do you see that? Even Scripture, you know, we know Nicodemus did. And you know, there's a few of the Paris is that, you know, that has come to Christ from their self righteous ways, but mainly Jesus Christ, he says. I didn't go to those that are not needed healthy, right? But for those that are sick, those that need them. And so a lot of people know that they have problems, obviously surfaces out outwardly and they're like, Hey, man, you know, out of you know what? It's looking pretty good. Yeah, exactly. E would watch that go ahead any day? No, No, I'm just saying I watched that movie any day. If it's shot right, if it's done right, you know, because I'm seeing other movies. You know, of course, of the contract. Glimmer the funny Yesterday I mentioned Netflix, and I really think it's horrible. But my dear wife, she want to watch the crown, which is like a documentary Siris on the Queen, the Queen of England. Okay, and just yesterday it shows her Billy good theology aside. Okay, Billy Graham went...

...to England back in the day, and she wanted to meet him, and she was like, just this moment of the movie. So you talk about someone's self righteous? This is the Queen of England who can't do wrong, and in in the show in the movie, it showed her humbled by listening to his message. And she wanted just to be a regular Christian regular Christian who who wasn't looked upon as this Supreme Christian who's what I don't even know of England is the queen is the head of the Church of England, or something like that, above and beyond the bishop like theology and all of that aside, three idea of showing some simple humility of someone who is supposedly or seen as a self righteous, morally perfect person in that moment, I think, is kind of what we're talking about here. Just she's not like this is the queen, right? But a simple person who seemingly lived a perfect unstained life coming to the realization that she was at the end of herself, Right, Right. That's good. That's good, because you don't see too much of that man in the film. That's good. And I know that it is. And it sounds like it probably looks good to, you know, cinematically all that good stuff because of a healthy budget and stuff like that. But yeah, but no, I think you could do that quite easily. You mentioned you have a 9 to 5 job. Is this Is this what you're doing? Your audio work for your 9 to 5 job? Or is this in the ministry? Is you kind of no, man? I worked at Dunn Edwards. I work at a paint store, So you know what I'm saying? I do that and, uh, and I do audio, and I dio Oh, man, it's sorry about the church. Um, white music. I I love that you're working at a paint store. What do you painting in particular? No, no, no. I just said I just saw the paint. I'm a supervisor at a paint store out here called Done That Which on the West Coast. And I love that you're doing. I love that you're doing that because it shows that you have a passion for one, your evangelist. So you have a passion for Christ. You have a passion for ministry. You also have a passion for music. You're in audio. You do movies and all this, but you're also responsible. Not that you wouldn't be responsible doing that because you're living at 9 to 5 job, so you can take care of other things and and take care of bills and take care of your families. And I love that. The idea of why we work people do lots of things to maintain, you know, pay the pay, the bills and thio live. This side is kind of life you want, However, that looks and and and the day at the end of the day when you get your paycheck. But I appreciate that about you. Yeah, man. I mean, I wear many hats and God's given me favor at that place. Like you know that places like you know, you can't talk about Christ. You get fired. You can't, you know, especially talk to customers. But co workers, definitely. But customers is like, That's a no vote. But But there's this girl I work with and she says to her friends, I tell my friends that every time I go to work, I mean Bible study eso, Yeah. And so, Man, I think God, for that that you know that you know, that he's giving me favorite there, too. Even I want to talk to my co workers. But, man, I'll talk to the customers quite a bit. You know what I'm saying? I mean those that no, me, I mean, just the other day they said, Man, I ve was gone. They were accident. Where is the preacher guy at? And so it's good. Like, you know, there's people that travel that could go to to the same store in their in their county. It ends up driving all the way just to come and talk to me. C s. So that's just a blessing and the favor that I got there, and, uh and then you know some of my coworkers, like Ben. I wanna I wanna join your next resume, your next Bible study. And I'm like, Okay, yeah, it's gonna be, you know, in a couple of weeks or something like that, I lab. So I think, God, man, that you know that he's giving me, um that that that position thio, you know, supervise, You know, saying those that, you know, that kind of not used to work ethic some of the young kids that come in, You know what I mean? That's in their twenties and stuff. And, uh, and I'm able to, you know, send do my job. Well, but also, uh, you know, showing truth showing, showing why we do what we do and why we should work. Because God has given us the ability to work. So let's work to his glory. Even though you don't serve him, you know, like that you need repentance because some of them doing the shocking nothing. I say I get it. I was You know, I was there, too, but yeah. So anyway, I've been getting favor there the same way when I'm when I'm taking a, uh, like an audio job, right now, like I quit the audio for right now or the focus on quite a few things. I got a new album coming out and and then I just to be honest, I like so my equipment just so I could make this album happen. Your studio? No, no, no, not my home studio. But my field audio equipment, like my...

...microphone like my my my my field recorder that I had, um you know, I had some some really good equipment, and I ended up selling it soccer bait. This project happened. That's how much I really believed in the project. And also, I had, um, like a gospel, we would say a gospel icon on the project that really blessed me that really just gave me off course for free. But But if you know, of course, it took some studio time mixing, mastering to making sure that you know you're flying them out and stuff and making sure that they're comfortable but not really charging that much at all to get on my record. And I'm like, I consider myself like nobody compared to this person that came and it's a surprise. Some people know who it is, But it was. It was a very humble, humbling experience to be able to work with such an artist who loves Christ and who is a phenomenal talent. Um, they've been doing it since the seventies. And so how? How competitive is the Christian rap scene now? Or even in the your mentioned gospel music is, well, so in in the in that spear in that realm, How competitive competitive is it? And is it cut throat? Is it overly competitive, too? Um, I wouldn't say it's as I wouldn't say. It's overly competitive as much as it's over saturated. Like what I mean by that is there is everybody coming out that our gospel rappers, you know we have, I would say thousands of gospel rappers now, and everyone's trying to get their foot in the door. Everyone's trying to establish some type of name for their ministry or for themselves, get some recognition. And, man, I didn't really know that there was a gospel scene. I mean, my dad, when I was 13, gave me the Gospel gangster city because I but But around this time I was jumping the dog pound, so I played it a few times I had a couple of tracks, but I'd rather listen to the dog pound. So anyhow, that was Listen, that was, like, my first introduction toe gospel rap. But I didn't even call it that if I just thought it was some guys just rapping about Price. So my dad trying to keep you off of what I'm listening to. So I was like, Okay, it's cool, but, you know, whatever. Um And when I got converted, I really didn't know it was his popular as it was at the time that I never heard of, like, Gray and these crossed movement guys or nothing like that. I just made music from my heart and wanted Thio, you know, wanted to at first I was going to cut that off to Like I said, my conscience was scrupulous. I was like, Man, I don't think it's pleasing to God. So when you when you cut it off, what were What were you thinking you were going to do? Or you just I'm just going to close that chapter in my book in my life? Yeah. I mean, I was just like what I wanted to do was just preach Preach the gospel. I don't want to become a preacher. I just wanted to preach the gospel. I didn't want to become a a shepherd or pastor over, so I just wanted I wanted to tell everybody about Right. So I was passionate about that. I wanted to hang with like minded brothers. You put your your wife through a lot. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Are you with me? It was a good and the bad man. I mean, my wife, she pretty much saw me at one of one of my lowest moments in life, even though she didn't see me out here on the West Coast when I moved to her city, you know, I was still doing some of the same criminal activities and whatnot. I mean, our kid cocaine at my wife house one time when I was trying to get out the dope game and, you know, and it was shortly live, but I was, like, man out tips on my life right now. This ain't worth and I ain't even back home. So anyway, I don't wanna get get you all that drama. I don't I don't want to get you in that. But I understand what you're saying exactly and the idea that people are held in chains, right? It's held by, you know, the lust of the flesh, unless the eyes pride of life. But but there's a lot of chains on people. So if you were talking coke or dope or stealing or just, you know, living in in de Bockarie, people are people are trapped in that and it's quite it's and its I knew someone once, and I know I still know them. And I said they were trying to get that person to stop drinking or living the way they were. They were living, which was just bringing them down a spiral. And I said, If you don't, if you want to keep drinking, you want to keep And I'm not talking about drinking, we can drink. But the idea of this person who is becoming an alcoholic is that if you want, if you enjoy it, why do it? Because if you're not gonna listen to what I have to tell you, which is the gospel message which is going to change you, what other reason do you have to stop doing all of these other things because you know what? They're fun.

They're enjoyable for a short period of time. No matter you know, our lifetime, it could be for some people, but the idea of thes chains that are holding people back some people don't mind them because they are really enjoyable. And if you don't have a good if you don't have a gospel proper repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ message because we're all sinners, we all fall short of the glory of God. Then it's all for not it's just wasting your breath because you're just getting people to try to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and live this moral life without a change of heart. Absolutely, absolutely, man. I mean, that's that's it right there. And then, um so so like, I mean, basically, uh, yeah, she's she's a true but she stuck with me, you know, through a lot without me. Yeah, I actually stuck with her through some stuff, too, and and but But it's amazing, man, you know that? That and remarkable that one time she wrote a beautiful card to me was just I'm thanking God that that I just so happen to be the vessel to, um, you know, lead her into a, you know, a true repentance. Annoying him, you know? And so, uh, you saw that the music industry was competitive. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back on track. I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry. It was a good It was a good side. Side up. Yeah, absolutely, man. So that z beautiful. So, yeah, it's over oversaturated. There's competition here, you know, And amongst amongst the ministries that I worked with, man, we have friendly competition. I'm not in it as much, but I see some of the brothers like then my first will be better than yours. And mine will be watching you see him do it. And we play like that. Uh, but it's all you know, uh, you know, to keep everybody at their a game. Tell somebody, man, this is really quite other souls gonna here. So do your best. Oh, yeah, I do my best. I'm gonna do better than you. So anyway, the fact of the matter is is that the competition? Oh, I know it's there. I see some stuff. I don't really address it as much, but I'm gonna tell you where my heart's really heavy at. And that is the oversaturated market. Um, off this genre, I don't believe that half of these rappers Well, I would even say more than half of these rappers. I don't believe that they should even be picking up microphone. I don't believe that. They just as I was saying, man, I didn't even know that this existed like that when I came into, you know, the so called Christian rap industry. Um, I just really wanted to do this and be a blessing to God on. And I mean and and and so it was different back then. Especially you really wish. I want to talk about God. You want to give somebody theology. Really wanted to let them know what happened to you. And I heard a lot of that. And it was not too many cats wrapping that I knew of. I mean, feared about the It was the 116 catch cross movement catch I was getting put on. There was people telling me all mine. There's other rappers I'm like, Oh, man, this is pretty tight. Um, and so I was bumping more of it later on, you know, in in, uh, in like in my walk with cracks. But to see it now, like man, there's people that still in other people's testimonies and whatnot that think they should have the testimony like I have like, man, you First of all, you're not fit to live. Obviously, almost God would allow you to You're not fit to live the life that I live. Um, so do you and be yourself, you know? So would you say sorry? I ve Are you saying it's It's not their talent. That is the problem. It might be their talent, but it's It's the actual walk that they maybe not even converted. Maybe not even converted, and they might not. I'm not. I don't put words in your mouth either, but the idea is they might wanna be a famous rapper, but they can't do it. So they're they're skimming over here onto the into the Christian scene and trying to be a Zhar da's they can and trying to get views and likes and attention that way, right? Right, Absolutely. And you know what? One thing is it doesn't fly on the street because when an individual, when you come into the presence of somebody who is actually living that life. They could spot a phony a mile away. And so a lot of these guys are just that they're phony and and unfortunately, without the power of God, without the grace of God, they can get themselves hurt. And maybe some. I mean, there have been times where they have gotten hurt, and I think that's God's chest. Times been on some of them or the fact that they need to pretend really know the gospel. So however, God orchestrates that, you know, so be it. But I have a heavy heart for a lot of these guys that are just wrapping, and some of them aren't trying to have a street designer. But a lot of them are and talk about our life that they never lived to say Jesus rescued them from things that they've...

...never been in on it. It's It's just kind of like disrespectful for the ones that has been locked up for being in mental institutions or being homeless before Or, you know, being, you know, looking at time, uh, in prison or actually served a good sentence. Or, you know, scary situations were getting shot or getting shot at Or, you know I'm saying or having to see your homeboys are lay down in caskets and, you know, having to get phone calls in the middle of the night like it's a disrespect. People that actually been through it all and and because you want to sound good and you want to say, Well, you know, and then you throw Jesus here, you know, in a line here and there. And when you hear the depth of their theology, you just realize they have no theology there, just fueling cliches. They're screwing what they heard from other rappers or what they might have heard in their household. But it's, I think the real thing can't be fake, Man. I think when you have somebody's music, you hear the essence of who they are and what God, ultimately, what God is doing through that person, and when you hear it, you know that is genuine. It's pure, it's rich. It's honest, you know, And, uh, I don't hear that when when I'm listening to other cats in my headset, I could hear it even through the pagans muse. Oh, at times when I'm kind of like, you know? I mean, who's the hottest guys out right now? I'm not trying to mimic nothing, but I'm trying to see what they're really getting that nowadays. And I'm seeing a lot of phoniness in that movement. 12. But But when the real thing come along, man, you hear it and you say Wow, like that's why a lot of times the world rejects the Christian music because they don't see the authenticity and they don't hear the genuine person, you know, and and I believe you should be. Of course we wore and who God made you to be. And when you glorify God and when you speak from your heart what he's done in your life, and if you have a passion to teach and tell others about him, it's gonna who's out in your music in such a way where it cannot be denied because we know his word when we turn back. Boy, it's funny as you say this I'm thinking of like this not a dick dichotomy. Or but the two parallels when I first heard you is is ah, what am I to dio? But what am I to do that your video. I mean, your song. You probably wrote it many years ago. But when I first saw it in 2013. 2014 What I see And I don't know you. You and I was just met now, but what I can see in in when you're speaking and you're songs or theologically sound and rich and anyone that listens to them should appreciate that. But And what little you know, seeing in your eyes of the videos you have a joy behind those eyes, right? And it's on Lee, by the grace of God, you, you know, and don't get me wrong. We're sinners. We fight with our families or wives, and we don't do what we're supposed to dio when I'm going to do good. Evil is with me, O wretched man. Yeah, I got that right. But you're coming from a place of love, and then that makes that makes it genuine. And I'm thinking, like, say, too short. For instance, he lived the life he lived and he wrote about and sang about from what little I know coming from the east coast of Nova Scotia, Canada, but knowing that him from the West coast like he wasn't afraid to shoot someone. And so he was coming from a place of anger. But it was genuine, right on. And then people appreciated that because they knew he was living that life that he was speaking about. And the same thing for you. You're able toe rap, right? Rap about this that you're writing about. And it's coming from a genuine heart changed heart only by the grace of God. And then you're talking about these other guys who are having 1 ft over here, while in reality, they have that hatred over there. And so they're bringing this roughness to it, Which you're not bringing a roughness. You're you're bringing. You're bringing culture that you enjoy with with a heart that has been changed, right? And I think that I appreciate from you. Well, thank you very much, man. That means a lot. Thank you. Yeah. God is good, man. So I ve maybe in your music that you do now. I mean, I appreciate that you're doing a 9 to 5 job you're in working with ministry, your evangelism. But I think the music you have a new album coming out. Is it almost finished. Now it's actually finishes been finished last year. Okay, I just have to put the finishing touches on, and everything is about timing. You know, we had the hog, my project. Um uh, with infantry to write your with infantry? Yep. The...

...infantry project. When that dropped, man, I got video. I got a p What is difficult about the work that you do say in music, for instance, or with I say the most difficult part is to do what only God could do. And I think that's that's the struggle with the flesh is toe make people see it, you know, And so I thank God for the ones that do, and they get it. But it's like, man, like, this is this is it. You know, um, man, like, you should, uh, like, just take this and run with it and seek like I'm telling you, man. E think that's a little frustrating? You wanna put it on a platter, you like, take the pill and you're you're willing to take all that other stuff. Just take this. Just take it. Yeah, exactly. It's gonna This is what's going Look, I was jacked up to this is what got. You don't have to go through all the phases that I went through the get it Here, take it. You know, it's like it's like a parent that don't want their kids to go through the same things and the same mistakes that they made. And unfortunately, of course, nature takes its course or the world's gonna be the world. And sometimes they'll hardheaded Lee or foolishly traveled down that same road. But I think that would be the most frustrating part of it. What about what brings you satisfaction in the music that you create would be the very, uh, the very opposite of that. You know, the the antithesis off what I just said for as people getting it and the testimonies that are here when people say Soledad glory, all glory to God like what you've done, man, my life has changed because you are grateful to the word of God, Um, and and people growing in their faith and people appreciating it and knowing knowing what it is and the spirit of it has blessed me tremendously, given me the encouragement to keep going, Um, I have to be honest if I never had one encouragement from anybody. Would I still continue to do this? Even though God has given me this to do, I would I would question very much if if I would still be doing it. So I thank God for the souls that have been impacted. Thio be an encouragement. And the body of Christ that's been walking with the Lord of even way before me to give me the encouragement, Thio A state, of course, has been tremendously e Think you're saying it, Ivy? I think you're saying it. But to be blatantly honest And this is for listeners not so much you, but in a reminder of me, even though I would say you're successful. One. You have a job. You have a family. You have music that you're creating your own ministry. Do you sometimes. And this is for listeners. You want to give up? I think you're you're a talented artist, right? And thankfully, your Christian one at that. So it's edifying and what you do. But do you sometimes want to give up? Do you want to like I don't I don't want to do this anymore. And like I have this podcast and just even yesterday I was like, you know, But then I get into it. I'm like, I love it. I enjoy it. And it Z, But just like the build up to it, like to step before it or, you know, is it really producing what I intended it to produce, Or am I doing it the right way? Exactly. Do you ever get discouraged? And you want toe discouraged and you want to just pack it in sometimes. And this is And the answer would be for listeners right there doing some work. They're doing some things and they may get discouraged as well, Right? Right. I mean, absolutely, absolutely. I have I have felt that way. Uh, quite a bit. I mean, sometimes I would deny it and say, Oh, this is my mom having a day? No, really. It's just It's like, man, what's the use? You know? Uh, no. And no, I don't I don't need the spotlight to where I got a ton of ton of fans and I don't never have toe you. No worry about money. It's just it's just the bird that comes with it. You know, sometimes the deadlines or or just it's just the distractions. You you could be in the middle of a conversation and lines and versus come in your mind you're like, Oh, I gotta write that down. We're all, uh and and you're like, Man, I don't I wish this this artist part of me can kind of just go away and just kind of be normal. But I realized I'll never be normal. And...

I'm okay with that. Because show me the the normal person, you know, and I'll show you Jesus, who we think is, uh is normal. Like for the most part of Christians, we know him to be perfect in the ideal man. And so since we all have things to work on, another bus is called normal in that sense. So I would say, man, no matter what if if If that's who you are, then just just accepted. And if you have no, no, no listeners know supporters. Nobody in your corner. Um, this a lot of times we don't realize how many people will affect. Sometimes people won't even tell you that they appreciate, uh, you know, sometimes they won't even let you know how much you change their life. They won't pay homage for the transformation in their own life. They won't say God, I mean, I know what I mean. A lot of times Oh, God, I got But there's nothing wrong with saying You know what God used. Thank you. Because God used you to bring that to me. And they're a lot of people like that. So no matter what, if you know what you're doing is God, given which I know that God has broke. You know, he's written this story for me. This is that this is the character that he's created, And, uh and I know that I know it. And, uh and I'm glorifying him. I have peace in my heart I don't fight with with with My task is at the end of the day, I know my purpose. And that's a beautiful thing. No matter what men say, I could do this to the door you got. And yes, it does help when I have the body of Christ and I have supporters, listeners, those that that rock wouldn't say that they're blessed that that tremendously blesses me also to keep going. Um, but at the end of the day once you know that you're just that person. Then just accept it and keep walking. I'll always be a writer. Yeah. I may not pick up a mic when I'm 70 years old, but I'll always write music or indefinitely poetry, uh, songs and that send them to worship groups. And hopefully they'll sing them and books and things like that, but yeah, man, I definitely get, uh, discourage, you know? Yeah. Yeah, those times when I'm definitely discouraging, you know, you know, Yeah, that's good to know. It's good tea to share and and to know that other people feel the same way. No matter from whatever position to whatever position that we do gets discouraged. Even if it's a passion or talent or a really good skill that we've been working with, I'd be thinking of when you first start working. If you want to say McDonald's or even a suggestion for younger people on also changing your job a couple of times and doing a multiple things, a number of things Do you have advice for people who are getting into work or changing their work? Yeah, well, we live in a time, of course where everybody wants to be entrepreneurs, and that's good. I believe, uh, we should be embracing entrepreneurship. Yes, there are people that's just not cut out for it. And and and And if you know that you are better at taking someone's vision and being at their aid helping them out and then then do that. And that means maybe for a little application and joining someone's vision like a McDonald's and stuff. But but But keep that. Keep that mindset because you might be an assistant. Employees at McDonald's helping out that franchise with that business, Um, and years down the road. Find yourself in the corporate office helping out and well established business that you're good at because we need assistance. We don't. We're everybody in the world. If everybody turned entrepreneur overnight. Mhm Well, with that profit us. If we didn't have anybody to help out this s o. We need people like that. So just find out if you're really you know, ah, person that has leadership qualities and that really have a strong passion and the desire to do entrepreneurship and then go for it. If you're that type of person, if you're the person that Just, you know, I'm getting my feet wet. Not just I'm really good at helping out others. I'm a good listener. I take orders. Really? Well, then find yourself, um, working or a nen vivid jewel that can give you, um, on that motivation when you say, man, that's a really good idea. Or that's a really good vision. I wanna come along and help. You didn't do it and start at the bottom start, start at McDonald's, Burger King. And then you could find yourself, uh, in places that you don't think you are That you never thought...

...that you being helping others in that way, too, because that's what that's who you are. So that would definitely be my advice to know your you know, your position in that area and start start at the bottom, work your way up because, um, the grind Israel and you have to appreciate the grind, man. Uh, man, I got stories on top of stories, but we could be here forever because the grime man the dryness would make me Where are you Know who I am and put me where I'm at? You know, by the grace of God you know, to purchase my own home and, you know, just man, have some nice couple cools. We're about to have another second being, but you know that Got some nice, uh, you know, things going on here, man, I like what you're saying. It's the idea, and I think it's purported or told to people, and we all we're tempted by it the idea of being the leader being in the in the front, being in the show in that entrepreneurial spirit of being my own person. And that could be discouraging, especially for people who don't have that ability or don't have those talents or that's just not for them and that people see all. It's just that temptation of wanting to be there. And it's not really for you. And I like what you're saying is whether you're a leader or follower, find out those skills, refined them to find them and go in the path that's best suited for what you're able to do. It's it's really good. I don't want to take up too much of your time. I have so many questions for you, but a couple more. If you have the time, I V. Yes. Look, do you have an overarching goal for your ministry, I guess. And in the work that you're doing with music, an overarching goal. Yeah, um, I would like to thio be able if it be the Lord's will. So especially with music, be able Thio have a standard toe where it discourages the phone ease. Just like a standard in music Where where we're glorifying God in such a way, even in the genre of rap where you have people that collect, I'm not cut out for that. Let me not even try. That's that's way beyond what I'm capable of. Can't do it. The pagans should do it. The phony Christians do it. Say I'm out the way. Let these real Christians or are they got their doing so well? I want people to really realize that if God created all things and he did, um, that the Christian should be the best that if God's given the Christian Thio the ability, uh, to manufacturer vehicles, that should be the best vehicles on the road. Um, God's given, ah, Christian toe the vision and the you know, the capacity to make films. They should be the best films, period. Because if all good things come from God and we're his representative, they should be just that excellent. Good. And we should know our focus. And we should intimidate the wannabes and intimidate the paper toe where they want to get out the arts because they say, move aside, these Christians do it best. And we have to get a job working with them way out of a job or we have to be converted. Yeah, it's a zoo you say that I'm thinking of as you raise the standard to the right standard. It would be like getting a bunch of people on an airplane with with parachutes on saying, if you want to follow me, you gotta jump in a lot of people that are faking it or phony. They're not going to make that jump to do it the right way. Right? Right, Ivy, Is there something people may not understand about you that you would like them to understand so they can have a better appreciation of the work that you're accomplishing? Um, yeah, I would say a very e. Mean people may hear it's here and there in the music, but I don't think a lot of people realize that, um I struggle with some mental illness, and, uh, mother forced Nero transmitters don't fire like they should sometimes, uh, and I got some couple of things going on that are that I pray to the Lord to get rid of, like, Paul more than three times, though. I got I got a bunch of thorns in my flesh. I don't know, e, you know, and I haven't been released from him, but but I thank God keeps me clinging to the cross, Keeps me depending on him. And I would like people toe understand...

...that. So I could, uh, even be more conscientious. Toe better serve those that struggle with mental health, whether it's bye genetic default or whether it's ah self inflicted self inflicted by abusing drugs, alcohol in the young age or trauma. I wanna be ableto to talk about those issues a lot more instead of just kind of over spiritualized and say you have a demon, be free in the name of Jesus, you know, and or you're not saying because there are a lot of people that are struggling mentally that don't believe that there are believers is good. The questions, you know, your salvation. But but But the question, based on the fact that they see a lot of Christians that look like they're really free and they don't have the issues that they have and they're afraid to tell people. And so they just question there salvation constantly. And the enemy is the accuser of the Brethren, and and so I want to be able to thio make people aware of that. Thank God for the prayers of the saints that know about it. But also, there's a lot of people that don't really know that about me that I struggled with, uh, with, uh, you know, with conveying that Maurin music, which I should and that I struggle with every single interview every single time that I'm in meetings with people that I meet every Monday with my church. I struggle with even going to church, being around people. But God gives me through it. Let me tell you something. This is, uh this is a different experience. A lot. This is no district to a lot of podcasts or any of my friends that's done. Podcasts and stuff. Not, And I've been doing No disrespect, but this has been a a different experience that that I enjoy different questions being asked. But I always say one thing. Yeah, I'm about to do a podcast and do you hear when you hear them? Also, I'm about to just repeat myself. Yeah, that's what I try to get People not to Dio Thistle is different. I think you wanted something really, really, really good because I'm talking about things that I don't I don't necessarily talk about a lot because I'm never asked these type of questions. So what? I want to encourage you. I want to encourage you to thank you. And I want to encourage you to, because what I would like to see in music and I'm nobody to say anything right for me to even talk about Biggie and two Bob Park I grew up with. But I don't want to step out of my realm or stay and get out of my lane. But, man, you let me just say this. You know you are qualified because you are one of you are consumer. You are listening. Every single one is very important to every artist. So the idea of when you say writing music to stay in the struggle, right? This is the struggle. My struggle My struggle wasn't because I hung out with people and I stole things and I did drugs 20 years ago. My struggle is today, right? And that's what I think you're saying is well, what you would like Toa bring to the forefront with the present day struggles. I'm not a Christian now, just because I did something bad and God saved me through the grace of the full and satisfactory work of Jesus Christ 20 years ago. And he changed me. I want, you know, the then walked down the aisle or did something no, like today. I'm sitting right now like I'm sitting right now and I send earlier, and I'm gonna sit and now another second from now. So I encourage you that you're doing a very good job with what I hear. And I want to encourage you to keep on grinding, keep on grinding in the music you're writing and write about those everyday struggles. Right? Too bad you threw away a lot of stuff when you were younger. Because some of that, but doesn't matter what is done is done is. But if you can remember, is those struggles that were still are. But it not for the grace of God, right? Our everyday struggles, Yes, really put absolutely Ivy Ivy. Only about two more questions for you. The idea of adversity. Is there any adversity that you had faced that is now a present day of struggle, but also in in the hopes of encouraging other people who are in that everyday struggle because of adversity, and it affects our work. It affects her life. But we keep going through some adversity that you have faced where others have faced and also how we can encourage those people to keep on going because work is tough. But work is good. Yeah, absolutely. Um, man, I would I would say like,...

...this is what they say based on I'll just give one of the one of the things that I that I struggle with is, uh, the PTSD, you know, post traumatic stress it I'll take. I'll take some some medicine, but it kind of keeps me going out about I don't have toe when somebody is in the back of the store. I mean, I mean, when I'm in the story that they in the back of me I don't happen. Cut out the line and go home because I don't trust anybody. Impact of me, Um, when I have it, you know, im ableto Yeah, kind of, you know, do things the way other people do it, but it's just it's an ongoing struggle. I didn't know I had it back then because I would drown it with alcohol and with bugs. And once I came into the real world and seen it with the biblical lens, I realized that trauma has affected me and, man, that that Zoe probably stick with me for the rest of my life. But I don't have to live there, Um, because I'm not the same person. If I do have anybody that I've wronged in the past, I wanna do me hard. There's nothing I could do to stop it s o. I realize sometimes I struggle with that unbelief that that that language to where I feel like I have to constantly protect myself, and he kind of go over over beyond what other people have to do to make sure that they say I kind of Take it to the next level that time, just to be honest, um, and so God is dealing with me and put me in that That's face the where I can exercise in the sweet spot where there is balance. But that's the man the university is, uh, is really That's what I fate. Yeah, yeah. And so well, by his grace man, I'm I'm here. You know what I'm saying? And I'm and I'm constantly with smiles on my face, and sometimes I'm crying behind smiles. I'm hurt behind smiles, but nevertheless, the joy of the Lord is my strength. And so I'm a keep smiling, you know, no matter how I'm feeling, and, uh and it's it's real when it's genuine. And so that's what you know. I mean, anybody that's watching this man it as you said when I took that as encouragement keep on trying, and that's exactly what I'm gonna do. This is a This is a a fight, and it's a beautiful fight way. Know who the winner is at the end of the day? Is this that we're we're passing. We gotta take off this corruption so we can inherit the incorruptible a za Paul wrote to the Corinthians spent. And so that's a pleasure. I read a quote. Enough is RC sprawl the other day. If you know if someone does us harm, were, you know, kills us or does this harm their only? They're only speeding up our delivery to Christ. Man, Say that again. Which is which is not a bad, not a bad thing, Z. That's what Paul says. I would rather be here. You know, I would rather be with Christ. But I'm here with you guys, right? Probably 22. But I love the brother and I want to see e I want to see Christ this exalted, But be with the one I'm exalted. Oh, man, that's a good struggle the have. But you know what you know was with you know, it was great because some of the things that I try to like, make sure I'm protected from when I'm in those type of environment. It all like seats because you know what's crazy is that in places where people fear, like, that's those are some of the places that I'm really good at like man by the By the grace of God this is just tryingto throw something out there to look good. But, uh, that's just something because we're supposed to be doing anyway evangelize. So when I'm getting some bad areas and I'm popping out for myself sometimes and there's a group of cats out there smoking weed and you know Children and you know, in lowriders and, you know, saying they look like they're gang, you know, gang gang members or whatever, I'm ableto approach quite quite, uh, comfortable. I mean, comfortably. And they embraced me. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, it's not all the time, but most of the time and the real receptive let you know what I got going on. E, Don't you miss your old friends, though? You know, your old friends that we like, hung out with and no matter what we did with is just like I wish our hearts can unite and just be of the same...

...understanding. And then it breaks my heart when I think about friends and just wish we could kinda have that same and and some people can, and not that I don't want. It's like not my conscience is too weak to try to build a relationship. But we're coming from a different perspective, a different, a different place. And it's just different now. Yeah, absolutely, man. You know, I have a song. You should check it out. It's called Wish, and it's on to pray for my hood. Volume three Hog Mob. It's on Spotify and apple music and stuff. It's called Wish, and it's exactly what you just, you know, describe. But I mean, I'm talking about friends of mine who have who have, um since, you know I mean, they've crossed over and, you know, passed away and and I'm I'm writing saying, man, I wish I was there with you as the person that I am today. I wish I would have been there before you passed away. We got a chance toe fellowship tell you about Christ, you know. But I wasn't. I was the same person that you waas. So here's an encouragement for you. My mom. I mentioned every time I started this podcast six months ago because my mom passed away of cancer in February. But I was there at her deathbed and she wasn't a Christian. And but I got thio to preach the gospel to or several times just because she was she couldn't go anywhere. So she was very attentive audience. And just before she died, she gave her life to Christ. I mean, by the grace of God, don't Don't let me. Don't think I'm twisting Scripture. I think that's a line that you used right, Like only by the grace of God. She repented and put her trust in Jesus Christ. And it was right on her deathbed, right? And I think a day later, day later she died, right? Like it was one of the most comforting thing. And for anyone to be encouraged that you still have time And for our friends, our family, for us. I was going to read you. You mentioned fear, John. 14. 27. I have here peace. I leave with you and my peace I give to you not as the world gives. Do I give to you? Let not your hearts be troubled. Neither Let them be afraid. And when we are fearful, right? Like I'm I have the same fear of going back to friends or getting in certain situations toe like, uh, you know, people are going to think something or, you know, just really bizarre thoughts that come to me. To think that I wouldn't be accepted in this situation or, you know, how am I gonna react in this situation? What am I gonna say? Or any of those things? But you're right to when we get in the situations, they kind of go away. And they're not as bad is what we think. It No, right. You said you're not good with interviews. You're doing a great job here. I don't know. Right. So maybe you're a reluctant I'm not sure, but I think you're a great guest. Andi, I appreciate I truly appreciate the work that you're doing. Ivy is there? Is there anything else you we haven't touched on that you would like to add or anything else you would like? Thio, um, touch upon Oh, man, I, um Well, you kind of made me bear it. Also. How can people how how can? Well, no, that's what I like, though, because it's work, and it shows that, you know, we have toe work, you know, there's there's this culture out there that says work, and there's it's always gonna exist right when We were younger. We didn't work for ourselves. We didn't work for our family. We work for us like we work for ourselves. We didn't work for other people. We weren't doing the right things. And there's always going to be a segment that does that. But the idea is is to bare it all, to show that we're fearful, even though we're Christians and we have the king of Kings ruling on the throne, interceding for us to the creator of the universe, even though we have all that in that confidence, in the words we say. But in our mind we're a little fearful and we waken even doubt our salvation weaken doubt, right, our family and and the things that we dio so bearing at all, I think, especially from a Christian perspective, gives other people hope. And this is not like some of those ministries that Onley offer hope. But, you know, we also offer the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is our hope, and that it tends to bear all things because we don't bear all things you know, we're still keeping. I think it's some. Some minister said You don't always tell everyone all of your thoughts. Talk about asylum. People will walk us in this island, not let us out. Oh, man. That's for sure. You know, because I'm Scripture says that like a foolish man. Other all stars e I mean, people are getting in trouble for a lot of things lately. And I'm just like,...

Yeah, too bad. Bad. How can people reach you, Ivy? Well, well, Instagram Facebook. I'm on those to quite a bit. I used to be on Twitter, but I'm not on there as much. But it's just at the letter I the letter v and then Connolly, which is one n c o n e r l y So at Ivy Connolly, you could check me out on social media. That way, if you want Thio look for any music. Uh, it zits the same. Just I ve space economy CEO any organ while you google it, check it out on apple music. Uh, you know Spotify? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All your favorite digital storage. Sometimes I'm under my whole government, which is I e y then, Connelly or, um I think I forget the other, but oh, yeah, I'll be here. So the idea here son. What is that one again? Sorry, I'd be his His for his for infantry. Are you under their label? Is that a label? Is that No? It's pretty much like hog mob. It's just the ministry off brothers Cool. Just so happened to Well, but share, of course. Common interests and common hearts and theological perspective. Not to the t, obviously, but I just want to be able to share share. Um, you know, the gospel music. So, yeah, I'm a part of both. And in both both camps. All Marvin infantry. We we don't consider ourselves a record. Like we consider ourselves a ministry and brothers that are just like minded, man. Yeah, and all these brothers like to go out there to share the gospel. That's where God saved me. Uh, well, I was still out, like right when I got to say I was right back in the street. What will change heart? I forget What the Who was? I think it was Paul washer that said the greatest miracles When God could take a depraved human being right, uh, and out the world make him holy. Put him back in the world and keep them on, you know, So that is the greatest. That was Paul washer. The shocking message, probably. Probably that one. The shocking message. Do you? Only two more quick questions. One is because it's on my mind. Do you lean towards ivy the spelling of your name versus ivy? The Roman numerals More so Because I think I've seen Mawr your name popping up now versus Ivy or you're leaning more towards branding yourself as one of the other. Yeah, so when I do I V s Oh, my grandfather Initially, from what I was told, just have the letter I v and then count early. So that's his government name. And I always wanted to have his name. That's why I named out. And then I guess later on the stuff that I ve y so I ended up Still not why, but so on my first ticket is different. But then, uh, but But then I Since the third grade, I've been spelling that I ve y so I just kind of kept it like that. Eso it's but not the Roman numeral anymore. When I did Ivy, his son, I did kind of want to play with the for his son and all that. But not not not not for but just my government. I've economy, and I put the emphasis on the because, you know, it's more masculine than what not. You know what I'm saying? So every time he would be like your names. I know it's I d Put the emphasis on it. You could have been your nickname. Could have been growing up a poison than than that would have been. I've been called that boy. Yeah. One final question, I v Why do you work? Why do I work? I work, Um, because And I hope this doesn't sound like a cop out answer. But I work because I made in the image of God before the fall. Uh, God, work created it all. And God created Adam. And before he failed, he gave him a job to do eso. So job a job is a blessing it to hear from God. So I worked to glorify God, and I work because I made in his image since since that's when it hits attributes, so to speak. Um, rightly so. I must work and not just work. Enjoy it. You know Ivy Connolly I appreciate your time that you have given me today. You give me a lot of it. And I appreciate the work that you dio. Thank you, man. I appreciate this podcast on me. And, uh, God bless you and your endeavors. I will keep you in my prayers, man. And, uh, man, I just hope you go forward with this. I really enjoyed myself. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, Follow...

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