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Episode 61 · 1 year ago

#61 Garrick Jones - NFL GM Prospect - BrianVee WhyWeWork

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Garrick Jones is a gracious man who is on a mission to be the next general manager in the NFL. However, even though his mission is clear, he is keeping his priorities straight by helping as many people he can along the way. As the president of the Huddle Up Foundation of Houston he is helping athletes map out their future to be the best for their families and community. Mr. Jones has worked hard and will continue to on behalf of anyone that needs help. Garrick Jones embodies the perfect GM. Let's watch him and help him reach his goal.

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Contact Info

Garrick’s Profile
linkedin.com/in/commissionergj

Website
change.org/gjones4texangm (Company Website)

Phone
5017123187 (Work)

Email
garrickjones@officialsdfl.net

Twitter
CommissionerGJ

More about Garrick from his petition page:

"Dear Houston Texans and Fans,

My name is Garrick Jones, former Houston Texan, President of the Huddle Up Foundation of Houston, Treasurer of The NFLPA Houston Chapter, and Commissioner and Co-Founder of The States Developmental Football League. The trading or releasing of cornerstone athletes without clear communication of direction has been the absolute confirmation for Houston's city that something drastic has to be done within the Houston Texan organization! In addition to professional colleagues of mine, several former teammates have reaffirmed that I should put my name in the hat for General Manager of the Houston Texans!

During my professional football career, I have gone through similar situations with several teams, and there needs to be an alternate avenue when dealing with players and fans. The transactional leadership approach of yesterday not only hurts the team, but it hurts the chances of our city ever seeing a Super Bowl championship. This is clearly what has been going on in the organization for some time now. It's time for a complete teamwork approach for our football team. I would love to have an opportunity to be considered as a candidate for General Manager when that time comes. The city of Houston has been great for my family and me! It's where I learned how to make a social impact off the field because of the Houston Texans and NFL platform! It's been some years since the Houston Texan organization has employed me.

Still, the loyalty to the organization and city in which I have my very own Garrick Jones day with a proclamation date of October 25, 2005, is something that will never die! The team and city took a massive blow by the departure of some key players, which I feel should've never happened. The wonderful people of Houston and I, along with the rest of the Texan fans all over the world, ask that you grant me the opportunity to interview in Hope's of continuing the legacy of Bob McNair as your next General Manager. He stepped out on faith by bringing an NFL team back to Houston! Now we are asking you to do the same thing. It will take a General Manager with a vested interest in this organization and a transformational leadership approach to make this work! Teamwork does make the dream work. That means that everyone from the tip-top down to the groundskeepers are in it to bring the Lombardi trophy to Houston! The fans deserve it. The city deserves it. Most importantly, Mr. McNair's legacy deserves it.

Sincerely,

Garrick Jones

Houston Texan Legend Community Member

HOUSTON TEXAN ALUMNI 03 - 06

Bio & Links

A veteran of three professional football leagues, Garrick Jones personifies the qualities of a battle-tested leader on and off the field. These qualities are key components of a general manager who will lead by example while building a blue-collar, salt-of-the-earth organization. Garrick is also President of the Huddle Up Foundation of Houston and played four seasons in the National Football League, as well as four seasons in the Canadian Football League, which was highlighted by signing his first NFL contract after forgoing his senior season at Arkansas States University due to personal issues. Garrick currently sits on the Board of Directors for the NFLPA Houston Chapter and the Advisory Board for IMPACT Sports LLC; a company focused on the development of concussion reducing helmets for all athletes."

...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which would be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. I had the great pleasure speaking with Garrick Jones. He is the president of the Huddle Up Foundation of Houston, which was created by former NFL athletes to help young athletes with their branding, financial literacy in just a better understanding of life in general, to keep them away from unnecessary bumps and bruises that we all experience. I want to find out how this program works, what his role is and if he has, especially since he had five years of NFL experience, five years of CFL experience. If he has any other aspirations. Join me in this conversation with Garrick Jones. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today, have the great pleasure of speaking with Mr Garrick Jones. Good day. Fine, sir. Hey, Good day to you, man. Thank you for having me. No, I thank you. And we do not know each other, but what little I do know of you and you know of me, you are a gracious man. I know that right From the get go. I canceled our meeting the other day, and then I was a little bit lady on you even coming earlier today. So I know you're a gracious man, and I truly thank you for giving me the time. The opportunity toe. Have a little conversation today with you about work. I'm not a problem and not a problem at all. I'm going to do an introduction about you in in the end, and I'm gonna throw it at the front. Usually I do it before, but because I was late, I didn't get to do it. So could you fill us in a little bit more? And I'll do my best to give you the best introduction I could possibly do when I do do that and just fill us in on the type of work you're doing now and maybe with a little bit. That led you to it. Okay, well, the type of work that I'm currently doing right now is I'm doing a lot on the philanthropic side, but also on the I think cutting edge and forward thinking side of professional sports. Uh, in regards to revenue generation for athletes and their families as well as different professional leagues. I have a developmental football league called the state's Developmental Football league, where we focus on the business aspect of it for the players and their families. Also, financial literacy, business acumen. We talk about, you know, just a curriculum that will give them the opportunity to be successful when their careers are over. Because the career is, you know, professional football players air pretty quick. I like to say that it's the best temporary job you'll ever have. Um, but ultimately, you know, that's the space that I came from, but I've been a business consultant for a number of years. I started my first business in the ninth grade, which is a A design business, marketing, promotion, graphic design, uh, situation. So my thing has always been about educating and teaching and teacher from testimony. Andi, that's really what where I am in the spaces that I'm in, You know, it's all about giving back. It's all about educating. It's all about exposing, too. And it's all about creating that movement like that. So I think that's the quickest way that I can. I can say about everything, but it's it's a lot deeper, but that's primarily where I am. Space wise. Mr Jones, You mentioned grade nine, and that's what I like to take people back as faras they Congar Oh, to the very first job was, Was that your first job? Like whether it was making money or not like sometimes people are just going out and doing things out of the house on their own. Was that your first job? No. Actually, my first real job was a long cutting service that my father started. You know, the get my brothers and I out of the house during the summertime, you know, we would go around the neighborhood and cut grass, and you know, he would work with us and they gave us an opportunity to start learning about business and being responsible and payrolls and all the different things like that. But for me, that. I think that was my first real job, that I I received a paycheck, which was really cool with something that I always just stuck with me. Um, and it just the work ethic that, you know, he instilled in us. It was really good. You know, as I look back now and in the different endeavors that I'm a part of now and things that I'm trying to take on, Um, you know, that's kind...

...of the attitude that I've had my entire life. Like, you know, you won't outwork me, and And we that's been the mantra for so long, you know? So you say your your dad started up with you and your brother, was it? How how did he maybe present that to you or, you know, pull you out of the house for the first cutting of the lawn? How did that go about? It wasn't. It wasn't a recruitment process. I could tell you that it wasn't, you know, fly me to the next city and wine me and dine me. E wanna type of thing. So if the recruitment process is really smooth, e, it was right, exactly. No, man. Until this day. I think things would go a lot smoother if everybody was able to operate like that. But, um realistically, man, he had to plan and way couldn't refuse it. I could tell you that much. So s so when you talk about not out doing the other guy. So did you and your brother start competing with each other? Was that something that started to develop A swell, you know, I think so. I'm the youngest of two older brothers, eso and And they were in the sports Really, really heavy, you know, younger and younger days. And I really didn't come into sports until we don't want to say junior high, you know, going in tow my high school years, and then I kind of got that competitive book. But but yeah, I think so. I mean, it's just one of the things being competitive is something you're born with. And, you know, me being a former professional athletes, um, those are things that drove us, you know, and my brothers, they were really the athletes and should have been the NFL players and should have been the MLB and NBA players, but they chose to go a different route. But we've always been competitive man, and that's I think that's That's one of the things that that sets me apart, you know, knowing myself, my competitiveness and how toe to drill down on that when the time comes, when it's needed. How how many summers did you last with your dad's business? Cause I know you said I think we did three. If I'm not mistaking, you know, I think we did three solid summers. I had a couple of friends that jumped in with us. Ah, a couple of times with them, you know? Hey, started paying. That's an ice cream cones After he paid us in money the first time around. So he was like, I don't know, man way kind of had a former union, I think, once we formed the Union, you know, things kind of said, you know, you know, I think we need to shut this down, and then you got your was at the next job you mentioned or what was another couple of jobs you got into middle school. You said fashion design. Yeah, in the ninth grade. Ah, buddy of mine. We We started a graphic design business called Southern flavor images and what we were doing Waas we were We had so many different friends that were wanting to do different things and really didn't know. And at that time we were in the same boat. But, you know, we were idealistic, opportunistic. We were ambitious. So we just started really teaching ourselves Ah, lot of different things. And back then you didn't have the Internet. So you have to do a lot of reading libraries, all those types of things. And and that's what we did, man. And and and and to this day, uh, you know, people, you know, reach out to us, you know, as far as consulting as faras imaging as faras branding. And those are some of the things that I've I've taken into my lead when it comes down to these players, you know, teaching them how to be a brand within a brand how to market and promote themselves and themselves, and also have, ah, social social proof of different things that you do so and it's just carried over through all the years. Man, it's been a it's been a good time. I'd like to ask you a few questions, questions about what you're doing now. But even still chronicling your work flow into how are you made it into, say, the NFL in CFL When did that start? Thio really take take notice, whether recruits or yourself something that you wanted to take seriously Or is it just something you kind of stumbled into? I think I think it was evolution, to be honest with you, Um, you know, I think with how my career came about, it's just a combination of everything that I had went through, you know, beforehand. And being able to do so many different things really helped me because I didn't necessarily have to wait on, you know, people to help me. Ah, lot of times, which really was good. You know, when it came down to putting my packages together, learning how to market and promote myself, you know, because those are things that I had done, you know, for so many years, eso ii essentially learn how to brand. And this was VHS. Yeah, you better believe these. These were VH, SS Man and and and Black and White Copies. And, you know, you know, stopping at Kinko's and all those different things, man. So I was ready for it. So now it's a lot...

...easier. Um, you know, and that's the thing that that is really cool is I just I've been able to see, you know, the maturation of technology and how it can help, you know, athletes, their families and everybody associated with with what what's going on. So I don't want toe ask you to many questions about your career in the NFL in CFL because I'm sure you've had so many questions. But as you transitioned into and out of professional football, how did you bring some of that character building traits that you now have and bring and pour into these other athletes and these other people that you're helping out? How did you, you know, kind of bring those good things with you? Well, the thing about it is, is there are going to be X amount of athletes every year trying to get to the NFL, and less than 1% of our athletes across the world make it. And of those 1% that do make it, you know, of all those athletes that are trying to make it only 256. The 257 of those guys will be drafted in the NFL, so the numbers are really lopsided. And that's one of the things that I looked at by the way I made it to the NFL. Being undrafted without a senior season of college. I I saw it from an entirely different scope than a lot of other athletes that are in the NFL. That I had made it to the NFL at that time because either they were drafted went to major universities. Onda had the opportunity to go in and and have those luxuries that I wasn't a force. It just by, you know, from what I went through, eso when I got fair and just talking to different guys and being on this circuit of, you know, going into camp and getting released and have to figure out what the next move Waas. I looked at it and said if I ever had the opportunity to put the league together, those were the things that I was I was going to really focus on, you know, for athletes because there are some really good athletes. But because of the numbers game. A lot of those guys get cut. So I knew that that would be really an unlimited supply of athletes every year. Because every year there's a new cycle and these numbers have compounded. So what I wanted to do was be unlike any other league and really set it up to where, when they come in, we're using football as the carrot. You know, they want to come to try to get to the NFL, but 99% of those guys aren't gonna make it. So 100% gonna have bills, babies and problems. So we said we wanted to focus on those aspects. We wanted to teach them everything that we've learned in business and in sports and and and make sure that they understood how it applied when they were done playing because you can't play it forever. But you will be, Ah, former player. Ah, lot longer than you'll be a current player. And that's one of the things that that's one of the pillars of what we do and and that whole branding situation and things that I've been through is just teaching from that testimony, because I'm a firm believer and If I've never been there before, how could I show you? So that's that's That's what I do. That's what I'm doing right now with my with my GM push. Trying to get into the NFL is a general manager because I've started my own league. I've scouted. I've worked with athletes. I I am an athlete. So the connection there is is really unrealized. I've worked with different businesses as far as consulting on, and I've helped individuals and organizations in regards to diversity and inclusion. I mean, anything you can think of when it comes down to a leader. Um, those are the things that that that I'm built from. And and that's what has happened. If anyone doesn't have an understanding. I grew up watching Rudy. I'm just a little guy, okay? And you know, I'll put myself in like I tried for a football team or university football team, got cut, you know, it wasn't recruited, but then eventually made it pretty happy. But what I think about most often is like the movie. The documentary hard knocks and the the Heart wrenching is those guys that are trying that weren't recruited right, and they didn't go to the big, but they're given their heart right, And And some could say, given more heart than these guys that you know, you probably know better than I would. There's some, you know, guys giving 100% no matter where they come from or whatever situation they're in. But some of these guys that weren't drafted, they're given 110% and then if they're cut or if they get injured or something along those lines, but even better when they do make it like yourself. But then the ones, even after a career and what you're doing is you're giving them an opportunity right from the beginning to say, Listen, despite how your career goes, you do have babies and bills and what was the other one problems? E...

...should know that one a universal right babies and bills and problems, and we all have them and you're setting. And I love that because you hear so many tragic stories, it doesn't. I mean, it doesn't even matter what type of work you do here in sports lost because people get these big paychecks and then people running out of money going bankrupt, getting but you're showing them a path you're giving. What can you speak, Maura, about how you're giving them? I saw on your site financial literacy because I think that's important. It's something I lack. I know that for a fact. And how is it that you guys develop these programs and what is it, what it looked like for maybe an athlete, Right. So the way we came up with these things was we knew that all these athletes were having problems myself included. Everything that you hear about, man, I've gone through it, Um, and in doing so and being you know, of an entrepreneurial type of bloodline for myself, even I had problems because I was never exposed toe those practices like financial literacy at a young age. I was exposed to hard work, you know? But my parents they were working, you know, and there was never really classes or seminars and webinars for me to get into as a youngster. Eso those are the things that we wanted to bring to the table for the athletes. We wanted our league to be so different that when you look at other leagues compared to what we do they're just playing football, which that's the case. Case in point. You know our schedules will be bi weekly eso that gives us an opportunity toe play the game. But the next week really get them in the classroom setting and and focus on learning about finances. Learning about insurance, learning about different aspects of trust. Learning about different aspects when it comes down to, um, um, commission structures from businesses, setting up your own brick and mortar businesses, Franchising on also leveraging, you know, whatever you've done in the past, you know, whether they were API. We all are all American or an All Pro. They have a following that could be leveraged and monetized. And guys don't know that. And with this day and age with, you know, the computers and the Internet and the connections the way they are from a global standpoint, guys are not maximizing what they've done in the past on. That's what we wanted to do as a league. Give them every opportunity to be successful and make money from every aspect of our league, not just us paying them a paycheck, but them getting into, you know, profit sharing per game. Uh, taking a helmet off and in really getting out in the community and having a connection with their fans. Those are all the things that help established them or in the communities and established them or, uh, in a business sense and an overall development, a holistic approach and leagues weren't doing that. You know, all the leads that I played for, it was about the excess and those in the bottom line. Unfortunately. So I said, This is how this will go because this is something that's needed and this is the reason why. You know, once I get a chance toe, sit down with the upper management with the NFL and and and and whoever else, they'll be able to see that the heavy lifting has been done, and it's something that could just be, ah, plug and play scenario for them and give them an opportunity to develop their players on the field and off the field and it and it just works for everybody because that's another revenue stream for the NFL. And with Covic going on right now, I think they need to get his creative. It's possible when it comes down to generating revenue and we have the answer ID. I had this question a long time ago and I think you're the perfect guy to maybe answer it or even direct me Thio What might be my right mindset. But is there a responsibility? There is a responsibility on the individual athlete to manage his money. But is there a responsibility on an agent? You know, an owner or something to strongly encourage some athletes to take a portion and invest it for their future, like long term 20 You like Take this or is there something in place that says Okay, You I mean, not you must, but there's a program for them. Or is this what this is the kernel of what you're trying to get going? So there is something there. So people are looking longer than there. Usually 55 year career. All right, well, you have to look at it like this. The majority of the the young men that are playing in the game today come from areas that it's been about surviving and not necessarily thriving. And in order for them to get out of those areas, they either have to be a very good vocalist. they have to be a very good basketball...

...player or ah, good football player. So everything is physical, right? And, um, they're not necessarily exposed to all of the other ways to generate money for their family. Outside of, you know, maybe months, every type of situations, the hustle, or, you know, some some things that will land you in jail. It's unfortunate, um, and in that once I think people figure out that these athletes are our top tier athletes, you begin to go through a system that is or pushing you through, all right, and then you're not necessarily thinking about anything other than football and how you're going to get out. So it's a perfect storm for a disaster later on down the road on. By the time you get to the NFL, that's been your focal point. Um, and once you get the money and once you have the payday, you know, if you've lived your entire life where you didn't have a bank account or you may have had $40 in the bank account and all of a sudden you got 40 million, you're going to look at that 40 million the same way you look at that $40 on, then the people that are around you and surrounded by you haven't been exposed to financial literacy and business and investments and all those different things like that s o You have a perfect storm right there. So you have the agents, you have the financial advisors. You have these teams almost start with the teams and leagues there. There are billions of dollars that are generated, you know, from these young men and young women that are playing the sport. And by the time they're done, which the NFL itself is, the best time for a job you'll ever have is quick. 3.5 years is I'd say the minimum right. By the time you're done, you're still young. You still have not crossed over into a a mind frame of understanding how to take care of yourself, let alone your family on the people around. You are still in the same space. So, uh, to offset that it's about education. It's about exposure to so all of the things that I've been exposed to after my life in professional sports is what we brought to the table co founding myself, Byron Clay, uh, in business. And so we were married for any free enterprise plus football. And with that and in doing that, um, you get the opportunity to show the athletes an entirely different mindset where we're reprogramming them from wanting to be employees. Thio want wanting to be employers wanting toe have ownership on doing it through the sport that they love, because the way we have it set up in structured, they'll be able to make as much money as they want and they want. Then they'll create generational wealth. That's the biggest thing, things that could be passed down. And that's not just monetarily. That's from knowledge as well on. That's how you get the opportunity to help all of the athletes. But in doing so, all of those revenue streams that will be going are now, you know, they're they're they're pieces of that in percentages of that that come back to the league. So whether the athlete is playing with us or not on their running their businesses 30 40 years down the road, there still percentages of what he does coming back to our league because we taught him how to hunt We put him in a position to take care of his family and not just had him on the field and said Okay, well, here's your paycheck and good luck to you all those things. So I think there should be a mandate for all of them to come together and make sure that these athletes are good because if you do that, you put yourself in a position to really benefit from what that athlete is going to do after he plays ball. And that's what a magic really does happen. And people don't really understand that when you're done playing, you have more time toe to be in the community and do a lot of things, and you no longer have the helmet on eso. ItT's. The rabbit hole is deep. I'll put it to you like that. But I think once I'm able to sit down with the NFL once I'm able to sit down with these teams that are interested in me being a GM, we're gonna be able to show them ah, lot of things that will offset. You know what's happening because we have it set up the whether whether we have one or one million or 1000 or are 100,000 people in the stands will still be profitable. It's just about making sure that your players are in a good place because they will essentially keep you going in times of despair and an economic downturn. Gerrick Maybe I missed it, but you're speaking of your league that you're creating or created. What does that look like in an actual playing and scheduling? Well, our deal is this from my experiences. When you go to camp, especially now in the NFL, they'll come to camp with 90 guys and they have to whittle it down to 53 men. What happens is you lose a lot of those guys that you had that were really good players to numbers. And when they're cut, these teams now are focusing on...

...the season so they don't have the opportunity to understand and know where these players go. So what we did was we said we want to run congruent with the CFL season in the NFL season. So when you cut these players thes teams can allocate those guys to our teams and they'll be able to develop on and off the field and be mentor by former professional athletes that are coaches that Air Scouts, uh, and develop in such a way, where when the injury bug hits, thes teams can pull them right back up and they know where they are there, running the same schemes as the teams that they came from, all those things. So we've taken our time with putting together this platform in order to mesh with the NFL and what the CFL was doing and give them a feeder system, if you will, of talent not only on the field with the players, but with the referees, with upper management. You know, the interns and those types of things that they may not be able to have in house in the NFL if they have good candidates, that they can actually allocate all these candidates and what we're doing so they can learn the ropes. And that's exactly why we started the league because I wanted to learn everything that had to go on with running a league, being a general manager, all those aspect scouting because I was doing that in learning on the job when I was playing and I was privately scouting you know, guys would call me up and said, Hey, man, who you got? Give us a report on him, you know, any time to come to Houston or Little Rock or wherever I was? I've had scouts from Malting. It's called me and I've dealt with them and I I That's how I was scouting. Instead of scouting and and talent evaluation with one team, I said I wanted to work with all the teams and all the leaks because my thing is universal. I didn't want to compartmentalize myself with just one thought process from one team and those athletes because I knew the numbers of athletes were already just fortunate. Eso That's how we worked, man. We worked congruent with the NFL and the CFL in their seasons, and we played a couple of seasons. But we Beta tested those seasons to see what worked and what didn't work because we wanted to have a complete project and a complete platform when we actually sat down with the leagues and says, This is what this is what this is. And this is how it can help you mentioned GM or general manager position. Do you see some stones that you need Thio cross before you get there, some pathways or maybe certain positions, like to get into, because I can't imagine it would be horribly difficult to get at least close to being a GM. There's only so many GM positions, but getting into being some assistant and working your way through the system. But you're not. You're not in working, particularly in the NFL the moment So do you see some, um, stones that you need to skip across first? Whoa, that you would like Thio if you if you think this is what I did. You know, right now I'm in the process of petitioning to be the next general manager for the Houston Texans on and in doing so, I opened the door that nobody has done before in regards to the fans and being able to connect with the fans. And when I sat down and I looked at my body of work, my body of work is just this robust or even more robust. And, ah, lot of guys that went through the ranks the traditional way. Eso when it comes down to what's needed, um, in a general manager position, I know what the workload is for everybody in the building. When the general manager candidates that they may bring in now they may know just the football operations aspect of it and and and the general manager position is about leadership and delegating and bringing the right people in that air going to be stellar at those positions under you. It's like apologist. It's like player personnel. It's like pro personnel. You have to have people that will sharpen you. But you gotta understand that everything and how everything works in the building from in the building from a football ops perspective. But you have to be a leader and be able to tie all that together to bring the culture to set the tone. And that's exactly what I've done by starting my only by independently scouting by by learning how to evaluate talent. Even when I was playing, you know, I was exposed to all those things. So my career has been, I think, a microcosm of all of that s o those experiences and experience that I bring to the table that other people can't. And then on top of that, I played the game, so I've seen it from from from from from that that 40,000 ft range, and I've seen it from right there in my face. So there are things that I could bring to the table that no...

...other other GM candidate can, because I understand the dynamics of fan fan support. I understand the dynamics of having the connection with the team, uh, in the generational gaps that air there. You know, with a lot of these older coaches and a lot of these older GM, it's always been. This is how we've done things. But it's time to start changing that. And then I also understand the dynamics of, ah, running an organization from top to bottom. So I don't think there'll be a more complete a candidate that will walk through a door. Uh, you know, with these teams that need general managers at this time, thinking of my listeners of why we work and we'll get some more questions about this later. But this seems like a dream for you, and it's something. Do they know you're knocking on the door like, Is this something that's ongoing with you or you're just You're just waiting. Your turn. Your just, you know, getting your ducks all lined up in a row and just waiting for that opportunity moment. How is it in your mind working toe, you know, bang down that door? Well, I like in what I'm doing to the art of war I like and what I'm doing to a chess game because of the different moves that I'm making the different ways that I've always done, what I've done by being unconventional the same way I made it to the NFL. The first time is what we're doing now. I'm taking a lot of that social proof from that movement on being the guy that everybody looked at is crazy, and you'll never make it. Scouts were like Now you'll never make it. But I did. And eventually, you know, as an organizer of the Players Players All Star Classic in Little Rock, Arkansas, which was a bowl game that we put on, uh, to help athletes go to the next level. All of those scouts that scattered me and told me that I'd never make it were there, and they were shocked when they found out that that was my game. So those are the things that I do, you know, in regards to the level of respect, the level of admiration for for what we put together on it, zits, social proof, you Noah's faras being able to connect with the fans. You know, I've I've said for, you know, fan really engagement initiatives. Um, almost 89 months ago when it came down to the Houston Texans organization because of the fact that I have a vested interest in it in an organization. And there were a ton of petitions that that were, you know, calling for boycotting the team. And you know as well as I know, if people are boycotting the team, that means they're not spending money with the organization anymore. And eventually the organization takes so many financial hits that they have to sell. And the fact that I'm a former player, you know that for me, that felt like that. My my energy and effort and blood, sweat and tears would have gone in vain. So what I did was I said, let me start a petition, and and with this petition, I'm gonna raise my hand, and I'm gonna get in front of these fans and I'm gonna eventually get in front of the upper management and owners of the organization again on they would be able to see, you know, not only my passionate about it, but with this passion comes a plan. I mean, a clear and concise plan, Um, for the for the team itself and how I can help on all areas in all areas, in all facets of this thing on also got in front of the fans that words. And I mean, there were It's been pretty rough, but it's been cool because the fans themselves a passionate. And when I said I wanted to be the next general manager, you know, of course, what your experience, who are you and all these different things? But I had to really be patient enough with the fans to meet them where they were on being and being in leadership roles. You have to have those type of qualities. And, man, some of the some of the worst people you can think of when it came down to, you know, just coming after me were good friends. Now, cool man. And I love him, and I want them to be a part of the movement as well. But yeah, man, I'm in front of Ah, good amount of support signatures. Followers to where When I come through the door, I'm myself outside of being a player anymore. I can, you know, potentially generate 12.5 toe $13 million per game, just from the motions and the movement in the in, the in, the in the presence that I've had off the field right now in this moment, you know what covert going on and being in front of these fans? Um, and I'm acting as if I'm a general manager right now, and that's the only way that you're gonna have any success in this league is toe is to say that this is your position. Eso there isn't anybody that's putting in the work that I'm putting in on. Of course, you know, with the time difference is in us, there's nobody up right now talking about this Except where us in myself, Right? So you want somebody like me to head your team because your team will take on my characteristics and and and all I know is making a history that other people read about and I don't doubt you at all like that's the funny thing. Appreciate him.

What about the pressure? I mean, the GM, you know, teams doing bad fire the GM, that's a part of it, man. I mean, I think pressure comes and Peyton Manning said it best. Pressure comes when you don't know what the hell you doing. You know what I'm saying? And I do, and I know I do. Which gives me the confidence and and and the concise conciseness and the clarity when it comes down to making decisions and doing different things, because I understand what the workload is. Um, I have well, over 400 years of successful NFL football operations behind me in regards to the people that are in my corner, the mentors, mentee relationships that I have right now, I mean, some of the best in the business. These people have sought me out, you know, just because off my conviction and the things that I want to do and how I want to change the game, uh, in their part of it, and those guys will come into building with me. So I already have a team assembled. I have various options when it comes down to helping with the bottom line on, then also the culture. You know, I'm really big on that culture situation and it's unfortunate that the fans and a lot of people look at things through the emotional lens when you really have to look at it from a logical standpoint when it comes down to business. So when the bullets alive, man, I'm cool. I'm coming. I'm collected because I understand that that's a part of the game, and that's what I learned by playing. You can never be too high, never be too low. You're gonna have some bad place. But in those bad plays there's a lesson. But you have to have a short memory when it comes down to go into the next place and it as a leader, if people are looking at you for leadership, you know, and they see you, you know, they see you're fidgeting and you're unsure we have a problem, and that will never happen with May at any level. I believe you have the confidence to do what you're setting out to Dio, but there are difficult times what is what is difficult or some challenge that you face, whether in the league, helping out athletes, any of the presidential role that you hold or even going seeking a GM position. What, what is some difficulties? That or a challenge that you maybe even just foresee? Um, well, there again, anything that I do, um, is about progress eyes about taking that potential and turning that into something greater. It is not about losses is about lessons. If you get the mental mindset of everybody around, you focused on that one singular go, no matter what a problem, Maybe I call them, you know, opportunities. So it's about it's about perspective. People look at what I've gone through and and how I bounced back and how I made it to the NFL and all these different things. And that was because I had the right perspective. You know, a no, to me is just one more. No closer to that, yes, that's gonna change everybody's lives. So you have to be able to who's that confidence and people look at you and say, You know what? Even though this is a tight situation and something is going on, you know, I feel confident about what's going on in the leadership that is here. Eso that really aren't any problems in my world. You know, I I eliminate the words but hope maybe rebuild all those different things and you have to have that mindset. When you are a leader, you have to be able to look at things realistically and remove the emotional content from your decision making. And your people have to believe in that. So there has to be a level of belief in you in order to change the game and change the world. Andi, that's been, you know, that's been my m o. You know, long as I can remember and when people really get behind it and really look at things, it's about growth. It's about being uncomfortable. It's like in the gym, You know, if you're in the gym and you're not uncomfortable and sweating and getting better, Uh, you're in the way and and we need that machine because we're working and that z how it works. So it Zraly common Sense man. It's a common sense approach and, unfortunately, common sense and in so common nowadays. But, you know, it's a it's a common sense approach with me. Um you know, like I said, I'm never too high, Never too low. I understand that there will be challenges, but they're never problems, man. You know, we can We can get over anything. You know, You wake up in the morning, you got a chance toe overcome anything so long as we up and we're moving, we'll get through it, all right. Thinking of who you're helping in the athletes, what is some satisfaction that you're seeing, You know, in a few years that you've been doing this in helping them just have a better or a broader horizon of their future For me, a man, you know, I think one of the main questions that I get you know...

...from my developmental league is how many athletes have made it to the NFL. And I laughed because we've had guys that had sniffs at the NFL. But more importantly for me, the numbers that that I look at and that I count is the number of business owners is the number of the guys that have been in motion pictures and movies and and commercials playing football players who are now principles in in these productions. The number of athletes that you know, our family men now that have started with us and have evolved in our now investors on does air the numbers that I give them because that's the main thing. You know, if you really look at it, they're gonna be far more business owners and farm or pillars of the community in what we do. Then, guys, we're gonna go to the NFL because that's how it's structured. Everyone can't go to the NFL. So with us knowing that our numbers are a little bit different, Um, you know, we have guys that are going to get that look, you know, And we have, you know, the different scouts. And, you know, just from my career alone, I have over 400. I'll say, 425 individuals that have either play with been coached by, oh, our guys that you know, I know from different organizations that I'm able toe to call up and say, Hey, I have a guy. I need you to look at him. We put together a book of business on him on the on the field with this film with the various positions, and then we have a book of business on him, Uh, in what he does off the field. And here you go. And this is a complete package. Eso So I think those are the things that are really satisfactory to me. It's the it's the watch. My guys grow up and and still be in tune with what we talked about earlier. And now all of those guys are a part of this movement in this push because they're duplicating the processes that I've shown that we've shown, Um and they're putting it out there, uh, in their social media spaces and and with the people that they that they know and and they understand what it is that I'm doing when it comes down to social proof. Um, in order to be a leader, you have toe be a servant leader, and that's that's what my life has been about, uh, in these guys and these and these families know it. And that's the I think that's the most gratifying thing for me is to watch everybody come through and and and become successful in their own right and have an opportunity to to go from wanting to be a player to wanting to be an owner of a team or owner of a league and and on, you know, businesses, residential and commercial real estate franchises. That's the space that we plan. Is it? Is it a far fetched idea of mine because what, you're working with our young men? And so they're not, you know, maybe in their teens, but 20 something. Is it a first fetch toe? Have what you're doing, package it up into a program and presented to high schools for not just athletes, but for students? Absolutely. No, no, no, that's it. That this is what we've done. That's why we've set the curriculum up the way way have because we have a men's division. We have a women's division. We have a youth division, and ultimately, what will happen is with the different divisions. We will be able to take this curriculum and and and take it to high school. Take it to colleges. You this in high school, man, you and me, both you and me both, and that's what we bring to the table. We bring that practical knowledge we bring that lesson plan, you know, from what we've gone through in the hardships and the pitfalls and and the lessons and all those different things. And and we've packaged it up in such a way where it's digestible for anybody. And that's That's what this thing is about. Well, I say that about high school. I'd like to have it now, man, listen, it's a wonderful thing that way. We've been able to make some strides, man. So it's been a cool ride, but it's just getting started. Derrick Jones, What would you like people to understand about you? What? I mean, whether the younger you, the athletic, you, the professional, you or the business, you, the GM future not even hopeful but future GMU toe. Understand who you are to get a better appreciation of what it is you're trying to do and accomplished. I was just like for people to know that, you know, this is something bigger than myself, something God gave me, um that, you know, with with that, you know, it's it's about progress. You know, I'm not into making points. I'm into making progress. And in that progress, I'm in helping people in ways that they never have thought about being helped or even thought about you know, going my thing is about wanting more for people than they want for themselves. Like I said before, man, I'm a servant leader. And in that leadership, you know, I've learned so much about myself. Learn so much about my family, uh, and...

...everything that that is going on. So I'm in the bridging the gap between fans and bringing them into the family and with these current and former players that they grew up idolizing on these organizations to where we all win and we all eat when we eat well and and we use sports itself, whether it be football, baseball, the NBA or whatever, our platforms fit directly in those spaces and and from there, with that level of exposure and education, we can actually change the world through sports because sports brings everybody together. So why not make sure everybody understands what's going on and how to deal with these diverse issues that we have out here today? Andi. And that's really my main focus is toe is to be a beacon of light on. Just be somebody that people can look at and say, Man, you know, he was really a good guy. And that's it that Z Sports truly does bring people together. Because Colvin first hit and there was no sports. This was a place you mentioned about. You're of progress. How do you stay productive with your balancing a bunch of things? You're doing a bunch of things, and Kobe might put a little slant to a slow things down. Where does for some? Maybe not for you, but how do you stay productive? How do you get up in what's what's driving you? Forward? I think. For me, man, it's It's about being intentional every day and having a good team around you. You know, I've constructed on put together a nice team, you know, for what we have going on, and in doing so that has given me the chance. Toe spread my wings. Even Mawr, a zey leader of this organization, the state's developmental football league and being president of the Huddle of Foundation of Houston being on the board when it comes down to the NFLPA Houston chapter. On any other endeavor that I have going on, it's about surrounding yourself with people that sharpen you, and and that's what I've been able to do. You know, And I've been really intentional about everything that I have going on to where, when When we really make moves and and things happen, it's not hard. And I was explaining this to ah, colleague of mine the other day. They were like, Man, you have a lot going on. I'm like, you have no clue of what I had going on. And those are the things that I used to talk about with my agent, and you can check a lot of the articles, you know, that that I've had in the past in my agent would always say, This guy has a tremendous amount of energy. I don't know how he does it. Uh, it's just about having the right people around you and being able to delegate and and and from there continuing to grow because in business, if you want to grow your business, one of the first things you do is find somebody that's going to replace you. Eso I set things up for people to come in and replace me so I can go out and procure more for everybody. And that's just what I'm about in staying productive. What is a tool that you use one something that keeps you most efficient. What is it? Something that you need? Um, for me, it's about communication. There's a lot of programs that I use, but one in particular is equilibrium in sports, where I'm learning how to give people what they need in regards to their e colors and their tendencies and those types of things like that on with those things and learning how to learning how to intentionally communicate. That helps me in everyday scenarios and situations. When I would interact with people early on, you know, I would just be interacting with them. But now, knowing all the things that I know, I interact with them to learn more about them and internal, learn more about myself and and and putting us all in a position toe win. Andi, that's that's really my deal, you know, just trying toe, learn how to communicate with people you know, even better than I have in the past, thinking of other people and my listeners as well. What is Ah, tip or some advice you have for people getting into work? Maybe you can think of, you know, whether they're going to start their lawn mowing business with their dad. We're going to get into some interesting career which may turn into something else right that you might have for for my listeners, people getting into work. Oh, man, finding something that you're passionate about, you know, that's I think that's one of the biggest things. If you are able to get into a wholesale job or a career or anything that you're passionate about, that will definitely help you when times are hard, because it gives you a foundational structure on then from there being able to take that passion and apply that to your plan. And it's your roadmap, and that gives you the guidelines for how to go. Even when times are tough, you can always go back to that plan on. That's your structure. It's just like in business. You have a...

...business plan for a reason, and if you have the right leadership, people buy into the leadership and then you've got a business plan. So whenever things get haywire, you know, go back to the business plan, get back on track. But it starts with passion, man, you know, be passionate about every day. Be intentional. We're not promised another second, you know. So taking full advantage of it take full advantage of people that want to help you, Um, and understand that it za teamwork atmosphere. You can't do it by yourself. Eso teamwork really does make the DreamWorks. So I live by those principles, man. And I just tried toe live that every day. And that's really helped me and everything and all endeavors that I've taken on in my life. Speaking of endeavors and other endeavors besides work, how do you make those work life choices to keep everything in check? You know, giving yourself some free time because you said you were so busy at one time and still busy now. But how do you How do you decide and decipher between Okay, work time has to stop. And now it's more family or playtime or rest time, right? Everybody's situation is different. You have to kind of assess. You know what your situation is because what will work for me may not work for somebody else, but definitely an entrepreneur. Ambitious mind, state or space. That's a that's ugly, You know, that's really ugly, right? Right. Right. Because you're gonna work twice to three times its hard for yourself, and you work for anybody else. Um, so it is different, but it's all about finding what works for you and just being intentional About what? What does work for you and then from there finding the different things, Like one of the things that I do and I used to do. And I learned back in college, no matter about the classes and having to go to practice, I would take, you know, 15 minutes and find a squirrel or bird. And I just watched them, and that would kind of center. Me and I still do this to this day, I haven't done it as much as I stood because all the things I have going on, But, um, that's what those those are. Some of the things I used to do just really simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it kinda it brings you back to reality and and and it gives you a I want to say, really a simplistic idea at that particular time saying, man, that bird, that that squirrel that's running around, you know that they're frolicking and they're free. But here I am. You know with all these different problems, everything's going on. But if you really sit down and look at it, I could live my life like that as well. You know, within all of everything that's going on within these storms and those types of things. So you just have to be, you know, really intentional about you and in self preservation. And that's what that thing is about. It's saying since you said you haven't done in a while I was reading a book to my kids or something, and in it was a girl in her mom and there was, ah, flower of some sort and there was a sound inside of it, and it was a be stuck inside eso I've never seen such a thing. It was in the book and then one day I went to work and I was walking by a tree and I hear a new inside was a be stuck in this flower. And I was just standing there in amazement. I mean, a flower and all this. And then in the book, the little girl let it out so that the we can go get some more honey. So I opened it up in the B. Well, no, it's just those little things and someone I'm sure looking from the window. Like, what is this guy doing looking at a Plan e. You see, you seem out of your mind of people. You know, you seem out of your mind a lot of times because they haven't allowed themselves the opportunity to think on it on on that simplistic level. And once people do that, man, it it. I mean, it just you could go on about your day a little bit better. You know what I'm saying? So I get better perspective on get right? Absolutely. Rebalances some things in the West. Wait. Is there anything that you wish you would have known? I mean, your program seems like from my perspective, if I was working with you, everything that you're setting up in your program is all the things I wish I would have known. So is there anything in particular that you wish you would have known? That you would have told yourself? But you could tell other people now that they might or should consider in work. Well, for me, Ryan, to be honest with you, I think I am where I need to be or where I'm supposed to be on def, I would have known all of this stuff early on. Who knows what would have happened? You know, I probably would have been You know who you are and all this, you know, information and and perspective and everything and not really sharing with people, you know. And we all know that that's no good. You know, you have to be able to learn and then share and help people grow. Aziz. Well, so I always look back on...

...certain things. And I was like, You know what? If I knew then what I know now and then I always come back to the realization that if that would have happened, I would not be the same person I am today, you know? And and I think I think we're in a good spot, man. We're making the noise that we need to make and and teaching the way we need the way we need to teach. Rather. So, you know, I think that's kind of the answer to that question, man. I look at it sometimes, but I wouldn't change a thing to be honest with you, my friend. The idea of career and character Where can you say the temptation lies or the pull lies? And I can just take it from your this interview in conversation with you that you put your character above your career. But for a lot of people and maybe yourself included I know for me is like the title, right? Whatever the title is, you know, I wish I can get there. How do you keep that, um, in check to make sure you're putting the right foot forward each time and you're not being led by the Allure mints or the accolades and anything else that might come before you. It's just having a good a good grounding and good base, a good foundation. I'm I'm a regular guy, to be honest with you, man, you people will look at all the things that I've done. But when they sit down and talk to me, they're like, wow, you know, just my thing with football. Even I'm a former player. You would talk. You could talk to me for hours, and I may not discuss an X and A O with you because I feed off of your energy and where the conversation needs to go first before I start talking about certain things. So business, just levels of success, you know, however you want to rank it. I think for me it's always just been about, you know, being a genuine person. You know, I genuinely want to see people in better places that than than when they got here. And that's my thing. I genuinely want to leave this this world better than when I got here. And I know that it can happen because no, I'm a change agent. You know, I'm all about finding ways to do things better, finding ways. Thio make more of an impact, whether it be social impact, whether it be economic impact, all those things. And that's really my my foundation in my base. I've just been blessed enough along the way. Thio get some titles and you know, and all those things. But man, I'm really a down the earth guy and and people find it out really quickly. When they talked to me, it doesn't take more than five minutes for people to say, Oh, he's a little different Now. We can really talk to him, you know, and it's It's cool. There's This is a little off topic, but you mention about making things better. And I know you do work on helmets with trying to reduce concussions, and it's something I've another thing. I want to ask someone for a while, and I noticed that you're you're involved with that. Why don't we have helmets with a little bit of rubber or something on the outside rather than plastic? Is there a reason for that? Well, I think the reason rationale behind that is the weight of the helmet. I'm trying to find lighter components that will be able to absorb like a rubber wood. And that was the some of the things that we're testing, you know, with impact sports really trying to figure out the best way to make sure that the helmet is light enough for these youngsters to wear while they're developing and playing, but also for the helmet itself to be, um, safe enough to dampen those blows and reduce the numbers of concussions. So it's it's all about having a I want to say just thinking outside of the box when it comes down to different things because, man, realistically, as far as I could remember, I've had nine concussions and and and people ask me, Why do I work so hard when it comes down to the things that I do? Why am I always thinking? Because I know from my experiences and and having teammates that aren't doing well that if I slowed down and if I really don't use my mind a smudges I'm doing right now within six months, this would be a totally different conversation, and that's the hardest thing for me because that's hard every day because of the type of damage that I've done to myself and the game is done to me. We want to make it better because you should never have a reduced quality of life from anything that you do, um, in entertainment industry and we've entertained millions and millions of people. Um, and there are a lot of guys hurting. I have teammates that they're not doing well, man, and and that that drives me to continue to keep going and keep going, because there are days when my kids have to finish my sentences. You know, even though I may be articulate, I have to work at this like like I'm playing the game. I mean, I'm practicing, talking. I'm practicing thinking I'm...

...practicing mind games and it shouldn't be like that, you know, and and that's where the whole helmet situation comes from. We just wanna make the game is safest possible toe where, you know a lot of these athletes won't be going through what I'm going through, what so many other guys are going through. Speaking of just continually, with learning and lifelong learning, where you with education, whether it's formal or informal, just even thinking of being an athlete and learning on the field, learning from the coaches but also in business position continually, where you with education itself. Well, for me, I try to learn as much as possible all the time. I took the situation with Kobe and the quantum quarantine, and I said, Well, since we have to be quarantine, I guess I will learn as much as I can. It's possible about leadership and management about the things that I've already been doing. Um, scouting general manager practices, um, sports psychology. You know, every free course that was that was offered. I was taking it. My executive business management and executive coaching from Babson College. The different things I was doing with Harvard University with the NFL, anything that I could do, you know it's faras this certification programs as faras the programs that the NFLPA Trust offer a Sfar as the NFL offers. You know, I was trying to take all of those different things because I knew that, you know, from what I was doing and how I have things structured to go through these, uh, courses and just learn as much as possible what's gonna help me on, especially utilizing the time with CO with, you know, just I put my head down and I think I brought home Maybe I want to say 12 certifications. I finished leadership and management diploma course through through through show University. I did a lot, right all throughout the whole time. I was just working, you know, because we couldn't do anything else. So, you know, my thing was making sure that I'm able to bring that and that be a part of the testimony and the lesson plan. When I talk to people like utilizing your time, you know, for the you know, for the greater good for everything you have going on. There's a lot. I mean, that's great. There's a lot of people and, you know, to that just are not using their time efficiently, not just like, oh, cove it watching some news programs, seeing how bad it is in the meantime, you a whole bunch of things, whether you had no money, you know, just go online and learn something. There you go. And And what was crazy was so many of these Ivy League universities were offering free courses. I mean, free courses, like, really, really in depth. These were their course offerings, you know, And I jumped at it. Man, I've completed so many courses from Yale from Harvard. I man, I tried to hit his many Ivy League schools. It's possible because I wanted to see if I really knew what I was talking about. And I was okay. I didn't know that. That's that's pretty amazing. I didn't know that that Oh, man. Yeah. Jeez, it was a lot, man. I mean, that's that was my thing. You know, I got to the point where that I was just I couldn't get enough knowledge, you know, It was a sponge, and that that goes back to what I was saying about the concussions and all those different things. I I really have to push myself, and that's a part of helping me through the through this process of of knowing my body has had some trauma and knowing my brain has had some trauma. So I really have to work at it so well, I'm gonna like I think my brain has some trauma to, and that's not making it is not making a joke, but like it really hard to focus, to read Thio to really ingest. You know, maybe, you know not, maybe, but certainly reading again or reading out loud just so it's really going in there. So I think what you're saying is is perfect for this is well of people, no matter what sort of difficult. If you have a desire to learn, or if you don't have a desire to learn, you should have a desire learn, but with with learning, don't give up, right? Keep trying because you or I, it doesn't matter. We can get through it if you have a desire, even if you have to do audio books and all of those types of things. It's all a good way Thio learn something, especially if you have a passion for something. Garrick Jones. How can people reach you? Sir? I tell people all the time that they can search me on any search engine. Um, they can put in my name. Derrick Jones put the NFL next to it and everything. I'm doing a pop up, you know, for my petition and a lot of other things that I'm doing. Um, they can search out the hashtag gj the number four g m. And what will happen is everything that I'm doing, everything that I'm posting...

...social media wise will pop up. Um, you'll you'll get a chance toe, find my situation with the huddle of Foundation of Houston, you will find the SDF l, which is the state's development of football league. You'll see a lot of stuff from the n f l p A. On. Then, of course, you will see my situation from the petition to be the next general manager of the Houston Texans are a general manager and in the actual NFL itself, on and from there. And once you go and you guys can. Kind of you kind of can go to change dot org's and put my name in the search engine, and that petition will come up. And what I've done with that petition has made that like an electronic press kit where you get all of my articles, you get all of my interviews. I mean, once this one is done, I'll have that posted on there, and I'm making a catch all where everybody could go there and see all of the different things that I have going on. Learn about the petition. I learned about me in business, my LinkedIn profile on and everything. So that's a change dot orig and just in the search engine putting Garrick Jones and my petition will come up. Please, guys, sign it, you know, comment on it on. And the more the more the more signatures I have, the better because those signatures air like currency. So and it helps me and what we're doing with the NFL and trying to get get back into the NFL, you know where to be with the Houston Texans are the Atlanta Falcons. Are are any of the other things that are needing some some good, transformational leadership, and it's time to make those moves. And and I look forward to being, you know, the guy that that heads that that that movement, I would say anyplace warm. Uh, e I know Garrett Jones. I have one final question for you, sir. And that is why do you work? Well, I worked to leave a legacy. Um, when my grand parents and great grand parents and great great grand parents passed away, they didn't leave us anything. You know, they worked hard for other people, and unfortunately, they didn't have anything, you know? So I learned how to work hard for my parents and, you know, with my parents being a little more forward thinking, Well, we will be left with something. But I look at the generations that come after me like my my Children's Children. I want to be able to leave a blueprint for them that they can take and that they can give to their kids, um, in from there just that legacy and and generation of wealth, of knowledge and generational wealth of finances and and give them an opportunity to be successful. And that way they would be able to carve out their own lanes and be their own Trailblazers and pioneers. And and I just wanted to inspire not only my family, but all families. I wanna inspire all people. Um, I understand. And I understood early on that every movement needs a sacrificial lamb. And I feel like that I I am that sacrifice when it comes down to the different things that I've had to admit in my life. But, you know, that's the reason why I do what I do. That's my why you know, my Children, you know, they they are the reason why. You know, my my wife, just my family, um, making sure that they're okay. And I'm a provider, so that that's it, man, That's me in a nutshell. Well, you are leaving a blueprint, and I think that blueprint will definitely have an impact. And we way we should all appreciate a sacrificial lamb. I would say Amen to that. And Garrett Jones, the future general manager of the team to yet to be announced. Thank you for your time kind sir. I appreciate it immensely. Thank you, man. You have a good one, man. Thank you. Gary Jones. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, Follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. E hope that you have yourself a productive be a joyful day in your work.

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