WhyWeWork BrianVee
WhyWeWork BrianVee

Episode 75 · 1 year ago

#75 Andrew "Drew" Roberts - Black Gamut Entertainment - BrianVee WhyWeWork

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Andrew Roberts is the founder, along with his amazing wife, of Black Gamut Entertainment, where they are building a network of podcasters who support and promote community.

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"I have created Black Gamut Entertainment in an effort to impact the communities around us. We are a network of podcasters with goals attached to our show. You can only be chosen to join the Black Gamut family, making our content undeniably strong. A perfect marriage between for profit and non profit ideas is the very core of what we are about. If you’re interested send a demo of your podcast to blackgamutent@gmail.com and check out the website blackgamutent.com." (LinkedIn, 2020)

...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here is your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Andrew Roberts. Andrew Roberts is a podcaster, but also he is the founder of Black Gamut Entertainment, which is a host of podcasts that work together for the local communities. I want to find out how hard it was to start this network and how he is making an impact in his community. Join me in my conversation today with Andrew Roberts. I'm Brian V. And this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Andrew Drew Roberts. Good. I guess for you it's evening, young man. That's right. Yeah, it's evening over here. Andrew, Thank you for coming on. You and I just had a brief little chat. And I think you have a lot to offer this show today. Can you give us a little rundown, who you are and what you're up to these days? Yeah. My wife and I started black gaming entertainment, and basically, what we're trying to accomplish is strengthening our community in the most organic way possible. Eso that it's riel. And so that is actually gonna make a difference And, uh, while incorporating podcasting along with that, Because I've been doing that for years now. And I went to school for general media, and, um so we basically put this thing together and it's taken off a little bit now, so, you know, we're super excited about that. I'm a father of six. We stay in Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio. That is not the favorite place of many people who visit this love the city. But this is my home, and I love it here. That was the Browns are doing well. Yes, they are yesterday, and they're playing the little they're playing a by the hour and way better hurry. That ain't no no problems, no problems. And, uh, I thank you for for this again, Andrew can you bring us back, though. And you mentioned to me that you have six kids and all all the power to you, me having to and you because I had heard your baby in the background and like, you have yourself a crew and it's not easy. So I think that's why I said, you have a lot to offer this show. But can you bring us back to what would have been your very first job even as a teenager, official or unofficial? Something that you have done maybe even volunteering as a young kid? Oh, shoveling driveways in northeast Ohio gets blasted with snow, so that was a really easy, you know, a soon as you know, as soon as you get to a certain age, Aziz, you start wanting things, you know. How old were you then? When you how old were you then? When you picked up your first shoveled to make a dollar. So to make some money 10. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When I went out knocking when two neighbors houses, I went to my friend's houses first. And then, um everybody saw me out there in the neighborhood working, and it was like, Hey, you come over here, you can come over here. You can come over here. So, you know, I was able to buy, uh oh, man. I think what it was it wasn't a Sega PlayStation about about myself, a PlayStation with that, that winner. So that was pretty cool. So, in so getting up into your teens, did you Did you also do some different things besides shoveling snow? Yeah. Yeah, Let's see. I was after school janitor when I was 14. I worked at McDonald's. Uh, see, what is your motivation at that time? Like even at 10. You know what? One of the PlayStation, but, like, did someone tell you to get out of the house and go make a dollar? You were really self driven. Well, no, I asked my the self driven part. Didn't come for me Eso easily, Because my mom it was just me and my mom growing up, it was just her and I Yeah, Batman and Robin, you know, and I would just ask her for things all the time, you know? And she was like, You know what? Let me help you out with something, You know, It's like you stop...

...asking me for all this money. Let me tell you how toe toe make a couple of dollars, you know? So I've taken it. Ah, long way. All the lessons she's taught me that that's that's for sure. It's funny, like so what you're saying is just you and your mom, myself and my mom, and it's in some ways, it's a really horrible situation, but we learn a lot of great values, a lot of great lessons growing up with just her mom learning moms out. They're working maybe for you to couple of jobs, few jobs, working hard. Ah, lot of ours. And we're learning at a young age to take a lot more responsibility. I mean, there's other ways we could have learned. Andi. It's not the greatest of situations, but there's some. There's some thinking of parents to listening. Single parents like you can instill some great values to your kids, no matter the situation that you find yourself in. And I think that's what you're saying with what happened with your mom, too. Yeah, exactly. You know, she always had a story for me or a lesson to tell me that that has not changed. you know, even still, but yeah. Ah, lot of the things that she instilled into me was, uh, work ethic I had to put in the work. You know, Thio get things done. I just I didn't have a choice. Yeah. Yeah, And she was working her ass off to at the time, So it was two jobs, you know? So I had to fend for myself for a little while, but she she guided me into how toe, you know, make the right decisions, what to do, what not to do. And like when I did do the things that she told me not to, and bad stuff happened, She's like, Okay, so was I lying to you? Do you understand? Now, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, yeah, I get it. All right. Yeah. It's funny. The lessons that we learned, you know, we could learn from people parents as well. They're they're not perfect. We could learn what to do and what not to do from them. And regardless, there's a There's a lesson in there, and I hope listeners understand that well enough because there's a lot of people Andrew that get bitter with their parents. So they come up with the tough situation in their bitter Well, you can take some of that bitterness and turn it into a lesson as well, right? And understand a little bit from their shoes where they came from, what they were going through the difficulties, especially as we get older. Andrew having kids like Mom, you were reason all by yourself, right? Can you can't imagine. I can't even do this with my wife e right at the team. It's tough. And Mom, you were doing it, and I turned out all right, Mom. Right? Right. As you got into McDonald's and stuff, were you seeing some pathways, some things that you wanted to do. I knew that I never wanted to work in food again. And I haven't eso that. Yeah, that opened up my eyes to, you know, people and their their ways and how they changed because people would come into McDonald's that I knew personally and be totally different because they were getting food and, you know, so I was just like, you're not like this. What are you doing? What is happening right now? Like I'm in the back flipping burgers, I see them up front at the counter freaking out burger over a burger or over whatever you know. And I'm just like, this is weird. Why do people change when food is involved? I don't like that, you know. So, yeah, I I got out of there, I got out of that. And then I had it on to my first, Like, like, decent job. I got a job at the Children's hospital in the area. And what? How old were you then? I waas when I got that job. I was 16. What? What? What was the job and what made you go there? I took a business prep class when I was in high school, so I had to, like, travel, travel, high schools, um, to take this class. And I was, like, 16 and a two. First, I was just filing e was just filing stuff and doing this and that and whatever. And then, uh, my role grew a little bit eso I was doing a little bit more, and so they started switching me, Uh, two different departments and in different wings of the hospital. You know, I was well known and well liked and everything and then, um, I graduated and they were like, Okay, bye. I was like, Wait, What? What do you mean? They're like, Oh, you can apply, you know, But there's a waiting list. Oh, that was just being a student. For exactly. Exactly. I didn't even understand that part. I thought I was good. I was like, Just keep me. I love it. You love you. Love you. I'm going to ride this out. I just exactly honest. They they're for way too long, I'm sure. But, you know, uh, working a lot of different jobs. It is opened up my eyes to different scenarios and...

...different people and, uh, you know, different situations where I had to react a certain way to get this kind of result. You know, it is there's no one uniformed way toe handle things, basically, is what I was figuring out. So as that job came to an abrupt end What? Where did you pivot and what What was it you're seeing that you wanted for your future? I thought I was gonna play baseball, you know. Yeah, I was. I thought I was good. I was all right. But when I figured out that that wasn't going toe work. I got a job at Target, you know? And then So it just it just kept going and going. And then one day, um, I stayed there until I was about 20 21 or so. And then I just I saw something on the Internet and it said, Fill this out and we'll give you classes on how the well and I was like, Okay, you know, Let's let's try this out So I did. The welding got up. Six. In the morning, called two Busses Thio where I had to go. Well, I had to catch two Busses and then walked a bunch. I don't know how long, but you know, every parent has that story about how long they had to walk. I definitely have those. You have some snow on some snow. Exactly. So the elements outside Where against Mia's? Well, but I got it done. I did the welding thing on Then I graduated that and couldn't get a job they wouldn't hire without having a field experience. Is that the worst s so discouraging? Man, Catch 22 they say right. Like like Okay, we'll give you your job if you had experience, right? Like, what have I been doing for the last year? Like I'm good. How am I going to get the experience if I don't get a job exactly on? I still I feel like in certain industries like that, you have to get a lucky break. No, somebody you know. So, um no, don't burn any bridges. That's something for sure. Don't go burning bridges, because you never know. But what I did was I hopped on the internet, and I, um I found me and my brother, who was 10 at the time. He was like, Oh, well, why don't you try Columbus looking Columbus? I was like, All right, so I found a welding place in Columbus. They and, um it was called a cliche. That was the temp agency. So I went down there for interview at Cliche. They said Okay, it was a Friday. They said Okay, come back Monday. You start on Monday. I was like, Whoa, I wasn't right. I was just what? Really You know, I wasn't ready for that, but I jumped in and did it, so I hopped on the computer on a Friday on the Thursday. Left on a Friday for an interview, and now I'm moving 250 miles from my house on Monday. I was so stupid. But you did you have any hesitation? Say no, That's too soon. I'm not gonna take the job. I don't think I could do that. Did you think like that was almost too easy? I could get another job next week. Yeah, I did. I was like, There's no way I could just, you know, like my mother. Yeah, my friends and everything. I had everything there, but I did it. I packed my stuff. I say, Mom, I'm I'm leaving. Goodbye. She's like, What? What are you doing? I was like, I'm going. I'm gonna go try this out. And I ended up there for 10 years. Did you go all by yourself? Yeah. I mean, that's good. I even thinking of you saying you were trying a baseball. There's a good lesson there that you were trying something. But you You knew you had a work too. So for people Listen. Three idea of pursuing something, whether it it surmounts Thio something in particular or a dozen. You got to pay some bills. You got it. You know, in this case of your mentioning, you're living with your mom to that point, maybe even helping out, or at least not sponging 100% off of the people that air that air helping you out. And that's I think that's part of our nature of just like Okay, well, I'm living here. Everything's OK. I did that with my mom. Up until I think 20 something, right? Like something like pretty late just staying there. But after a while she started charging me rent or taking some of my back. And I was like, You can't That's what is it you were saying to me a moment ago? Um, I forget what it was, but the idea of I had nothing to say. Oh, when you and I were talking prior to this about having a baby and being in the labor room, you say you have nothing to say. I can't say anything when mom started to ask for money. What you gonna say exactly? Exactly? Say. But it's a great lesson, right for you, Thio, to pursue that you get what? And then you pack up your...

...bags and then you are God gone. I was gone and yeah, and I had tried moving out of the house two times before that, and it didn't work eso, you know, because of, like, roommates and rent in the whole, You know what I mean? So when I got the welding job, I was like, Okay, they pay enough. I'll be able to hold this down on my own. I don't have to rely on Does Joe having or does who, you know, does my friend had to rent this month? Or does anybody covering for somebody else there or whatever is happening? You know, I don't mean deal with that. It's just me. And I made that work and that actually met my wife down there. And, uh, you know, the rest is still being written, but, you know, that was we've been together for it'll be eight years in February. So 10 years doing welding. Is that what you're still doing now or you? Did you switch to something else? No, actually, crazy thing is, when I went down there to weld, I welded for six months, and then they switched my department. I started working with because it was at Honda s O. Uh, it was a branch of Honda, so I ended up working with, like, leather and cushions and frames. And I was like, What did I go to school for all that time for? I'm catching multiple Busses in the morning and, yeah, it's freezing outside. I'm like, whatever. I'm getting a paycheck. Whatever. Fine. But I will say that was one of those jobs that they people refer to as having on golden handcuffs. Okay. And I got a little bit lost in that the time went by faster than I thought. What does that mean? I don't think I heard that before. I kind of maybe vaguely have an idea or heard it. But what does that mean? The golden handcuffs. It's so good that you just can't and but you're stuck to it. That's basically it. They paid very well there, So that's where the gold part comes up. But you're stuck. There's not really any room for advancement. You're doing the same things over and over every day there. Uh, and it's kind of like being in a Vegas casino, you know, there's no windows, there's no you know what I'm saying? It's easy to lose track of time in these places. And the next thing you know, decade, exactly a decade went by. I was like, Whoa, I've been here a long time. What, you know, like, what's my move? What am I really gonna do here? What am I doing? Would you agree, though, Andrew, that there's some people that it's not gold, they're not golden handcuffs for them, it's just there. Okay, Do you know what I'm saying? Like that? Okay for doing that 2030. But there's other people, maybe like yourself for myself that, like I want something different, it's not. There's not better. It's better for me, right? Or for you, But it's Some people can do a job for 40 years, and they're happy coming home doing what they do at home. Goto work at the work, done, leave it there and be done with it, and they're not trying to climb some ladder. Would you agree it's not really golden handcuffs with certain people or some people? 100%. Look, if you're fine where you are and your good and your content and your happy not content contents the wrong word, your If you're happy, then do that 100%. But I hit a ah point where I wasn't happy anymore. I wasn't content at all. And I was like, Okay, I need to make a change. I want to take, uh, take a leap here. You know, we're gonna do something different, because I, you know, during that my span, they're my family is growing. And, you know, there's there's all kinds of things happening, and I was like, All right, so what was your leap? What was your step? Moved back home. E moved back Something back in Cleveland, and I got back here a year two years ago. Um, yeah. So we've been here, and then we started with the business, and, uh, my friend, a friend of mine got me a job, which that comes back to who? You know, again, You know, your that it was bridges Don't burn those bridges. You're gonna need them. And it's hard not to do that sometimes, but, um eso The leap was to come back here where the jobs air few, you know, But I feel like the opportunity is huge because I have ideas and I have aspirations and I'm gonna show a lot of people, uh, in my area. First, we're gonna start local. We're gonna show them something that they've never seen before, so I think they're gonna love it. When you were making the pivot to move back, did you already have a job or did you just move? Um, no. I had the job. I had called my friend and I was like, Hey, you've been at your at your spot for 12 years or whatever it is, and he's pretty high up...

...there. I was like, You got a spot for me. He was like, man for you? Definitely, man. So what is it you're doing? Because I think and then this will get us into black Gap gamut. Just But what job are you doing on the side to help support or is this totally what you're doing? Uh, no, no. So maintenance. It's the maintenance. So boiler room experience with working with boilers and, uh, you know, stuff like that. So it's that a Catholic parish eso in church. So it's working out. They paid good. You know, I'm in the area that I was trying to be in, and, you know, the plan is definitely not to be there forever, but I'm using what I already had basically, skills already had, and I'm just using that. So I've been there for a few years. It's good. I love them. Those types that I had just up until recently, like a resident manager, superintendent job looking after apartment building, dealing with boilers and the heat and air conditioning and all those sorts of things. And I enjoyed it like it was tough hours. You get, like, on call 24 hours a day. If there's any problems like that, anything can go wrong at any time. That is, it does. And it does. And it does. But I like this about you that you're doing this. But you also have what you're doing now in this network that you're building. So how did this start? And what is it you're doing each day to promote this? Because I think you have some traction with this now. Well, yeah, yeah, we're, uh we're going pretty good, and it's really exciting. Um, it's getting to a point where I saw this. I I could see this happening, you know. Excuse me, but I could see this happening a long time ago, and it is starting to get to a point that where I saw and then now that I'm here, I could see it going so much farther and that's exactly what we want and that we can. We'll have the ability to make the impact that we're trying to make like it's going to happen. So basically, um, I love that you're doing with your wife, too. Yeah, yeah, she's She's the M v P. She's the M v p. This doesn't even happen without her straight up like I can't be more honest about that. She is amazing. That's great telling you. Yeah, that's great. I mean it, Z, you know, as we were talking about growing up single moms, like for, ah, husband and wife to be working on something that you both obviously have a passion for. And then you're calling her your M V P, which she shows you're doing it right, although there's always difficulties. But of course it za great thing, and I hope people don't push it off to the side. But like you're doing this with your wife with six Children as well Exactly. There's that element of it as well. But, you know, it's We have our routines, though. So what is black gamut and what is it? How is it? How did it begin? And what is it you're trying Thio do with it? I know big into community. Well, it started when I went to Ohio Media School on I was driving by them. One day I was still in Columbus. I drove by the school on my way to wherever I was going on, and I was like, Oh, there's all high immediate school there. So I stopped in, I got a tour, you know, I signed up. I was like, I love it. I'm signing up. I'm doing it. And I fell in love with being behind a microphone and messing with wave files and like, doing all this cool stuff, and so I would mess around with all kinds of projects. I had all kinds of things, you know, because we have to have 160 hours off, uh, time behind a computer doing work of some kind. And I spent it all in the same place and s o that really sparked, you know, and I was already love sports. So then they got me sports show on the Internet radio. And then I started meeting people. I started getting noticed a little bit, you know, I was getting shout out, and I was like, Yo, I have a knack for this. I think so. I'm going to keep it going. So it started there, and eventually it evolved, evolved to the black gamut entertainment. So where I want to be able to cover all spectrums of everything Not myself but me and my black game and family, you know? So everybody that's in there, uh, you know, there are expert of some kind, you know, in whatever feel that it is. And so I would I just want everyone to be able to, um, contribute. Bring something to the table that's a little bit different from someone else. So do you have...

...requisites for people to come to apply? And how does that process work to be part of the family? Right. So there's a couple of different ways you can join our space pods on. That is for people who aren't hand picked and then the ones that are handpicked, all handpicked by me. me and or my wife. So, for the way it's very first started is I just started listening to shows I just started listening. So I'm like, Okay, here's the show that we take some time. I'll take 30 minutes when I listen to this one. All right? So I'll be like, Okay, that was cool. Write it down. Write every all the information down. I'll pick another one. All right, listen to that one. And so then I just started pitching it. I didn't know if people would buy it or not. I just started pitching it to him like, Hey, I'm starting a thing. I'm hand picking podcast. I'm looking for hosts so we could get some content on our website. And it I got them all. I didn't get everybody. Let me say that because I had some catching up to do with, like, the website stuff, you know, But that's all straight now. You know, our website is clean, but basically that's how it started. And now it's gotten to a point where I don't want a hand pick at this time because I was doing all of the production for everyone. Uh, we're not for everyone for most of them, and it was just kind of swamping me. So that's when we started space pod. So space pods is basically, um, you come in, you do the same thing that you always been doing. But whoever you're outsourcing, your editing with or production with or music or logos, whatever, you could do that with us and we'll hook you up. You know, it's still that we're charging now. But it's the difference between what other people are doing, and what we're doing is you become a part of black gamut. Now your show has a show goal. So now you're show is going to be directly responsible for impacting other people's lives, who you don't know or see or have to deal without. Deal with all of that. Uh, you know, I I see. I see things out in the community, and I see people that need help, and I think I found a really good way to help them out. How is what you're doing with the space pods different than your hand picking? What was the slight difference or big difference wherever swamping you more? Just wondering, like a technical level. Oh, well, basically foot the space pods. Now I have interns that weren't that goto Ohio media school. So now I hand the editing off to them, and they have someone who eyes gonna relate directly to me. And then I talked to them, and then they talk to the interns to get the editing done and the production done and whatever done so. But as far as with the hand picked, I deal with all of them directly, you know? But I can I could talk to anybody any time. I'm not gonna ignore anywhere. You know, somebody got an issue. My number is all over the place. You know, it's all over it. Easy to find the business. Excuse me? The business number. You can hit me up anytime and I'll pick up. You know, I make time for the black gaming family, regardless, if your handpicked or space pods, you know, we're in this together, we're all we're trying to impact. It's interesting you You said you and your wife are picking. Do you guys ever come to disagreement about who you got on there? Who? You don't get on there. Right? But it's good. I mean, no different than a business partner like she's your business partner, but like just someone an outsource business partner who might have their own, you know, their own slant to it. But where it's your wife, like you guys air truly building this together. So it just like in marriage for any sort of topic, right? Like there's going to be the difference of why I think this should be it. And I don't know. I think I just think we should go here. No, I think we should go there. I heard. Yeah, so I heard someone say, I don't think I've never heard God speak or the Holy Spirit speak or something stuff. But listening to my wife, I'm pretty sure I did. There's something along something along those lines, and the idea like that is great that you guys were able to bounce in a relationship and marriage to bounce those ideas off each other, and probably, I mean for myself. If I was, I get stubborn. If you're willing to listen to your wife, she might be right more often times than not. I have to agree with that 100% 100%. It's never fun is never fun being wrong. But, you know, and that that relates to what you were saying earlier. The difficulties off. Like what?...

Everything that's happening and going on, You know, you're not always gonna see eye to eye. And I always gonna be on the same page, you know? But you do the best. Look, if you just do the best that you can do, do the best you can. That's it. You know, that's all anybody can do. And then you go from there. You learn from this, you learn from that you move forward and do better. Andrew, what is what is taking up? What takes up your time? I mean, besides your full time job, but with black gamut. What? What is it you're doing each day or what? What is your typical week look like for people who are podcasting? People are getting into networks. What does your work look like now? Oh, it zits up there. So I'm editing for some shows. I've already done production for a lot of them, but that's not something that has to be continuous on this. They want to change for, like, the next season or something. Marketing we we build these marketing templates. We've gotten very familiar with Adobe Spark, uh, a couple of other programs. So we're starting to dabble into, uh, that we're not just starting to We We've been doing it for a while now, but we just try to do anything that's gonna help pick up the pace for the podcast. So we'll take. We'll go onto Facebook and we'll find Facebook groups that relate to, um, the podcast. We take the podcast or the live show or the YouTube channel. We make sure that we're allowed to post into the groups and we post them up in the groups, you know? And then we say, Hey, you guys have questions. You guys wanna gnome or or whatever and you know, and that's made a huge difference, you know? And then we do things like that. Anything to help boost the career, you have to to well, three with your family. Full time jobs. Yeah, like, yeah, I know where I'm here. I'm in South Korea teaching English, and I have it pretty easy out here. I mean, it's just the hours wise. It's there's just not that many, So I spend most of my time doing podcasting production and all of those sorts of things E. And it takes up more time than my regular job. I couldn't imagine. I'm sure you're working and what you're doing with your full time job, a full time amount of hours and then building promoting all that you're doing with black gamut as well as with your family. You're a busy man. Yeah, very yes. Very. And And, you know, finding a balance is so so important. And actually, me and my wife were just talking about that because, you know, sometimes I get a little bit obsessive, and I don't want to stop because you know how you're at the computer. I'm sure you've been there. Um, you're at the computer working. You're tired. You could fall asleep in the chair if you want, but then you get that second wind, and you could just kinda you just kind of go forever. You just kind of go forever, you know, for it's 4 a.m. You know, I've taken care of the baby twice that by the by then, you know. And now I'm ready to lay down Is 4 35 clock. Oh, But now the kids got to get up for her virtual learning now and now. We got to deal with that. And then by the thymus. Soon a school is out. That's when I leave to get the work. S o, you know, finding a balance. It's and mentioned and notice. I didn't mention hanging out with my wife for spending time. You know, sometimes it I mean, that's so important. Sometimes I just get that way and I just start work. I get in work mode. It's go time. It's go mode and I don't stop and and she's there to be like, Hey, it's been a couple of weeks. How do you guys do that? How are you finding those? I asked the question of work life choices. How are you? And it's difficult, as you're saying, but how are you getting better at? Maybe Or, you know, as we get older, more mature. How are you maturing at turning the work off? How are you able to do that? Or how are you? Um, learning how to perfect it? Well, it is good to think ahead about these things about the time about down time. It's really good, because, I mean, some people just have downtime. And look, I'm totally jealous of those people. You know what I'm saying? I don't If my my whole days, our whole days are filled, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom stacked together. But if you can think ahead about okay, at this time, I am not doing anything. I'm not doing anything. I'm gonna go hang out here. I'm gonna go do this. I'm gonna you know, whatever it may be, uh, take, you...

...know, get a baby sitter, take the wife out somewhere, or whatever it might be. Just whatever, but I have to plan ahead, you know, like okay, technically, at five o'clock, I won't have anything to do. So I'll be like, Okay, this is what I'm gonna do on my goal. Hang out with the girls, will play with the little dogs and little shop cans and whatever. And, uh, And then after that, I'll cook dinner with the wife and we'll eat and we'll watch movie. And now it's 9. 30 10 o'clock. She's getting sleepy. Tired? I am not. I'm hopping back on the program. E gotta give up. Done. E got off course of course, it never ever leaves. But it's okay as long as you're balancing taking care of your priorities. Exactly. Exactly. And you know, it's all it's all very important. Like my wife says, to stop and smell the roses. Sometimes you know that is important. What? What is difficult about running this operation that you're doing? Black Gammon. What is difficult? What are you finding difficult? It's only been a couple of years, right? Or if if that at this point March since March, we actually, yeah, we started then. And we've come so far. We've come so far. It's hard to like Stop, You know, it's like you are. Slow down, you know, like get that traction right. You get traction like And you know, there's someone next door working Justus. Harder, harder. And if you stop, they have an advantage on me, Right? Right. Exactly. So what do you find difficult about this in this process? The last whatever. 67 months. So I've never been very organized person. Eso keeping everything organized has been a challenge. You know, I'm getting better at it, especially with her help. But I would have a meeting here and meeting there a meeting there. And, uh, in between that, I have to get to podcast edited. And then in between there I have to No, the some smell funky for a baby has poop, Piper. Okay, so we're gonna go ahead and take care of that too, you know? And then by the time you know, if I get pulled away, you know, for one thing that's been five. And then I get back to what I was doing, and I'm not sure exactly what I was doing. Eso I may start something totally different and they'd be like, Oh, wait, I was doing that one. You got to do that, you know? So it's it's tough staying organized, but it is getting a lot easier as time goes on them. So we're starting. We're developing, like a habits, good habits. And, well, it's also too. I think it's admirable where you started it, and I'm sure you would agree that e I mean, you you went to school for it as well. So you had some idea of what you were doing. But as you start this, you're learning your finding new things that you have to do so to manage it. We wouldn't know how to manage it at first because we didn't know what we're up against. Right? Right. There's a new around, uh, every corner, you know, on that is something for sure. There's been like, Okay, I haven't done with this situation yet. So how we're gonna attack this one, and then something else comes up. It's like, I don't know about this situation either. What are we gonna do here? Let's try to figure it out, you know? So with black gamut, the idea being helping communities where I would guess where the podcasters air in particular. But it has a global reach. What satisfaction are you finding? What are you seeing out of the fruits of your labor? 00 man. Oh, my contact list is impressive. I e right, if I do say so myself. Right. But it's exciting because and they thought the I would meet so many high up people and have a lot to talk about with them because the podcasting itself is kind of intriguing because anybody can do it. If you put the effort into it, you can't do it. And if you have a message that you want to spread. This is the way this is the way to do it. You know, I don't care who you are. I've talked Thio. Hey, was a multi platinum just in the nineties, uh, by with no limit records who I was obsessed with back in the nineties, you know? And so I talked to him on the phone for over an hour, and it was one of the best conversations I've. It was just so I opening and amazing. And he's thinking about coming on with us, and he's getting involved. And he's saying...

...he's some of his people that might be interested and they're also connected in the music industry, and they're also successful and, you know, So it's just kind of started to snowball, you know, And it's like these people are, you know, they love the idea, and they love what we're trying to do and and, you know, and but it's really though that's what they love about it is organic as hell. I'm not asking for anything from anybody. You know. I'm not asking nothing from you. You just give me your time, energy and effort, and we're gonna make some things happen. you know, because when it all comes down to it, the bottom line is, how many people are we gonna be able to impact? And that's that's what it is. You know, Uh, and then with Ohio media schools, some of their higher ups, they I'm talking to them, They're seeking me out. And I you know, we have great conversations, and it's just really exciting, you know? And it's not. It's not stopping. It was wise for you to reach out to them, to get them to help you. But it also helps them as well, right. Some of these kids, that air coming in through school, maybe older, I'm not sure, but gives them some valuable hand on experience. Yes, absolutely. It helps them out tremendously. Because when I was going through it, I really wished, you know, I wish that there was something like a black gamut, you know, to give me assignments to give me something to dudes. Yeah. Think we froze there for a little bit his intern hours, you know, because I was good. But if there were a black gamut, we do paid internships. You know, that's really good. And you're thinking of black gamut in what you started since March. What skill for people thinking? I mean, you mentioned it to of If you have a message, you could do podcasting, right? It's interesting because I've talked to a few people and they have said they're interesting, but they're scared. They're nervous. But I find this is a is sort of industry that we don't need to be e mean. We're talking about football earlier, the It's not a competition against us. It's a competition to make us better. So the more podcasters it doesn't really matter. This is not like, you know, a Samsung Apple telephone market where we're scared of another competitors. You have your message. I have my message and all the power to the people that are getting into it. So with your ex experience since March and even before that, what is the skill that you're learning that people might want to consider Tiu really hone in on, um, multitasking, multitasking. I have to be able to do that, You know, while I'm at work at the at the good old 95 so to speak. I'm working while I'm there too. I'm researching. I'm listening to podcast. I'm listening to other people's, uh, you know, I'm sending messages on I'm still getting my work done, you know, and that even when I'm at home again, it's multitasking, and you know that was challenging. It's not easy, you know, to do, and especially to do it effectively. You have to if you, it's cool to be doing three things at once. But if you do all three of them early, that what's the proud? What's the You know you're not helping anybody, so you have to be able to be effective with it and be able to segment what you're attacking and how you're attacking it. You know that That for me has been enormous. Yeah, I love some of the tips I've been receiving of people that there's a thing I think to do dot com, which makes perfect sense like a to do list you can have, and people use things like Trela and stuff. But other people just use like note pads and whatever it is, but just something to help yourselves. We all need it. There's no way we can keep it in our heads and like, Oh, I got it all under control. Not my right. Not my eso I got, uh, it's just one of those things for us toe to realize that Especially younger, right? Like thinking. I don't recall when I was younger, like writing things down to plan things out. But it's it's really effective, especially if you have some goals and some dreams, but also those little tasks that we have each day to help us stay on track. Yeah, that's that's crucial. It's absolutely crucial, you know? And it took me a little bit to figure that out because I was one of those people that like, Okay, I just remember I have a pretty good memory out. I'll just remember this and remember that. Remember that. But then when you start forgetting things or slipping up on them, you know other people are affected by that, you know? And I don't want to affect people in a negative way. That's not the goal here. You know what I mean? What? We're trying to be ast positively effective as possible. So that's it, Is there? Is...

...there a tool that you use now, or maybe one that you're looking to to that helps you stay effective something that maybe it's your phone. Maybe it's it's some sort of app or something. Is there something that you've started to use to help you stay on track with your work? Google docks, Google Dr Great. Yeah, they're amazing. I'll have my handy dandy notebook, You know that That's always nearby. Somewhere I was looking for. When you tell me, Miles like, Oh, wait, where's my one of my kids? Probably snatched. It is upstairs. Papers ripped out, I'm sure. But anyways, um, you know, keeping separate projects in their separate folders and then having, um, certain sections of your notebook for certain information or whatever it may be that allows me to put forth mentally and physically. And that's really important mentally and physically forced the energy to get other things done, you know, and and and efficiently, you know, because I can't take, you know, two hours toe. I don't know, send the email. That might be about example, but that would be super inefficient and, uh, you know, negatively affecting other people, you know? So and I don't need that. Like, I can't sit down at the computer like, Okay, who am I? A messaging today? or whatever. Like no, Like, I need to sit down and be like, All right, I'm I'm sending Linda email about this, and I'm gonna include this information, you know, and bang, bang bang, 10 minutes. You know, that's all that should take, you know, for some of the things. So that's that's super important, those sorts of tools to help you stay efficient, Andrew thinking back when you're shoveling snow or when you're working at McDonald's or having other jobs with welding or upholstery, even in what you're doing now thinking of people who get into work for the first job. So you first time you started to shovel a driveway for some money or you switched a job where you moved 300 miles away. Yeah, uncertainty of that of starting work. Do you have a tip for people getting into work or even changing their job? Oh, wow, changing your job that, especially when you've been there for a while. You'll feel when you need to make that change, you'll feel it is gonna be undeniable. You may get a hint here and there. You may get a a little twitch here and there like maybe I'll just get out of here. You'll know when it's time to go. You know, when you your life is no longer allowing you, uh, this segment anymore? You move on and you do it. You can't Don't just don't ever just up and do it. You know, you have to think about it once you get that feeling, You okay? I'm gonna leave this place. But what am I gonna do next? That is Yeah. You gotta have a plan. Yeah, I have. I have plans a through Z. You know, uh, you're not gonna catch me slipping. I'm not slipping at all. So you know that za best way that I could put that you have to plan it out, and you have to have foresight, You know, that's that's really important. How is this gonna affect this person? I was just gonna affect that person. How is gonna affect me, you know, So that's what I would say. You gotta have a plan. And also we were talking about earlier the idea of not being afraid. But as you you have another dream or aspiration. Get a job. Whatever it is, you know, work. Don't I mean? And I can't say I've always worked during my working years. There was times what I that I didn't, but I probably should have been. And this is someone looking back. Say be, be actionable, do something even if it's just working full time finding a job. Yeah, absolutely actionable. That's that's huge. That's perfect thinking. Also of back in the day. Is there a mistake that you would have made or someone that gave you a lesson, that you weren't mature enough to listen to that you could see the lesson and now, like either missed a core someone's advice that you weren't really willing to listen to that you can share with us. Oh, let's see. Oh, man, there's what to choose from here. I made I made a bunch of bonehead moves, that's for sure. So I have, right? I have just walked out of a job for sure. You know, with rent like I had ran, I didn't have kids then, but, um, was rent do and you know, uh, people depending on me to take care of...

...me, you know? And I was just like, You know what? These people may be mad that disrespected me. You know, uh, there's a very different culture when you're outside of work, and then when you're in the workspace, you know, it's very different, and you have to treat them accordingly. You know? And I was represent ourselves the way we need to act inside the workplace. Yes, inside the workplace. And, uh, yes, you're supposed to go to HR for problems. It's supposed to, uh, get, you know, dressed a certain way and, you know, and just be professional, you know? But growing up, like where I grew up, if somebody disrespects you, you handle that totally different than what you would in the workplace. But a lot of people don't. They confuse that they bring the outside into the workplace. I got a gigantic mistake. I got one for you, Andrew. I had a job just at a high school. I got a promotion. I was working as a housekeeper. I got a promotion to be like a head housekeeper, looking over all the people. So we went out to the staff bar that night. I got my promotion. It was pretty big because it was only there for a short period of time. I got the promotion was and I was playing pool with another guy who had another position bell. This was a big hotel and he worked as, ah Bell bellman getting the bags and stuff and bring them up. And that was like key because you get the tips and all this stuff. I was playing pool with him. He and I were like, going on, and he's like, Hey, yeah, you got a promotion. That's great. How about you bring me your resume and stuff and I'll see, because I had another body that worked into He's okay, I'm gonna I could get you a job there. Just give some time where you are now and I'll because that's you move up through the hotel industry and he bumped into were playing pool and we're drinking. And he bumped into another guy and the other guy was mouth and after him. So I jumped in the middle. I'm like, Don't mess with my friend and this guy and I got no fight. I get fired. The next day, I lost it all. And that certainly and not only that the head of the hotel was there at the bar and the lady who just promoted me was there at the bar E. I mean, that was the time of Tyson Holyfield. This guy bit me in the ear, ripped my ear. It was it was a horrible scene, but that's not the way to handle it. That's exactly exactly It's just not you. You can't cross them over. You can't do that. You can't do that. Like, And it was in the staff bar. So that was the That was your place of work, right? Right. You're not out of the owl's eyes of what's going on. Everyone knows everyone. And there is a certainly a different way toe act. I mean, maybe I shouldn't be acting that way anywhere. But the idea is you got to really watch it, what you do and to be respectful of the people you're working with. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that's the I think that's how I got can from McDonald's. Yeah, that was it, uh, someone through, uh, someone through a fist sandwich at me from the counter took back to the grill and I threw it back. I threw it back, you know? No, that makes sense. In the world, it was perfect. says, What else would you have done? Exactly? You know, and, you know, they told me I had to go. S so that was that. So, Yeah. You can't cross it over. You just can't do it. It's not your way right away. That wasn't McDonald's was. It was a Burger King. All right, your way right away. I'm a here. Exactly. I think Andrew is there, Uh, a new overarching goal that you have with black gamut is there. Is there something that or even smaller goals that you have with your work? Oh, yeah. There's there's a lot. Um, mind you mind you on the back of my head. I'm thinking you want to get to the Cleveland game. Are you all right? Oh, I'm good. I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah, we still way Got time. You alright? No doubt. I know I'm like, Oh, no, I got to get through this. So I don't game, but yeah, goals for For what? You're accomplishing. Yeah, So let's see, the first goal that we're gonna try for is, um uh teaming up with the imagination library with Dolly Parton's group eso. Basically, we can 9 to 5. Yeah, right, right. we're gonna team up with them, and, uh, they're gonna give us Ah, whole bunch of books, and we're gonna mail books out for free to kids in the area for five years. For five years, they'll give a one free book in the mail a month. So that is what we want to do so bad. We want to do that. And...

...then, um, the next. The next one is pretty big is we want to start a class. This one is huge for me. Huge. We want to start a class out here right around in my neighborhood that teach people, uh, teaches people stocks and financial responsibility and, um oh, goodness gracious The list of there's a big list of that. I wish I knew that as a kid, you know, I don't even know what now. E move over, kids. I got noticed. Z going on. Exactly. True. No, it's really good. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of things that the schools just kind of skip out on, you know, skim over, you know, and they teach us what the government wants us to know and send us on our way. And I'm like, What's credit. What's bankruptcy? What's an overdraft? Felt like? What? What is this? You know, I used to go to the I was super young, so try not to judge. But I would go to the bank, stick my card in, and I know I knew I only had $2 in there. I would take 40. I'm like, Yeah, whatever. What do you mean? I did the same thing, but I thought that right, every extra I knew I was that over. What? You guys are giving me over, Jeff, huh? Y'all just gave me $40. I'm good, but no. Absolutely not. Now you owe the man. I owe these people. And the debt climbs every day. And like, Oh, my goodness, the list goes on and on, there'll be people calling you and you don't want them calling. You don't want them problems thinking of that? Andrew and e think you and I have very similar backgrounds. Thinking of character. I can't speak much of my own character even now it's waning. ITT's wanting, it's it's falling short. But how important is it to really consider our integrity in the things that we do and how we grow Oh, well, as faras for me, I know I got all of these little eyes on me every day seeing everything that I do, you know, mimicking my moves and and, you know, it's amplified with six to write. Like, I have two kids and they're both kind of acting like me. And, like, maybe it's just a coincident six. They're all doing it like a baby is a coincidence. Uh, it's not they looking at you when you don't think they are. They are. And when you know they are, they definitely are s. So it's like you have to just and, you know, here's what I Here's what I think and I truly believe this to the bottom of my heart. I said it earlier, but I swear I live every day like this. No matter what happens, good or bad, you wake up the next day and you do the best that you can do. Just do the best you can do, and it will work out. It will work out, you know, put your best energy into it. Uh, you know, think about it. If it's really important, especially you know how you're going to attack it. But every day you wake up, you have a It's a clean slate to me, you know? And we're just gonna do as best we can. Is forgiveness? Does that run through your family? The idea. Forgiveness and being sorry? I mean, I'm only assuming that it does, but it would have to be with the ups and the downs and the difficulties and all of that. Is that Is that a thread that runs through your family in your work? Ah, as's faras family. We forgive for sure. We don't forget that that is crucial. That's crucial Because, look, the past can teach you a lot about the future. You know, it can teach you a lot that you cannot ignore the past by any means. But, um yeah, having, um uh I'm not sure how to put it. Having an open mind, I feel like it is really important, you know, accepting people for who they are, Uh, and knowing what you're dealing with, people tell other people who they are all the time. And then people don't believe them or don't want to hear it or don't want to believe it. No, no, no. This person just told you exactly who they are. Do not, you know, ignore it. You know what I'm saying? So that's that's a really important factor. Especially that we teach around here that we you know, the kids have to be savvy. You know, you gotta be savvy out in these parts or you forgive you. Forget there's a lot of lessons and a lot of people. Yeah, you get eaten up. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it too many times. And I'm like, That's not gonna be my kids. It's not gonna be me and my so and you only have a few...

...more questions for you. Is there something about your work or about you and what you're doing? That people may not understand that you would like them to understand so that they can have a better appreciation of you. Mm. Off me. Yeah. So the business really embodies who I am as a person. It really does on. I'm hoping that's why he's doing well, you know? I think so. Because like even with the podcast we revenue share, why do we do that? It's to build a team environment is to help other host push the next host to do well, you know, we we should want everyone else to do well, but that unfortunately, that doesn't happen naturally for a lot of people. So I put that in place because now this is a good way for you to actually care about who is going to excel with black gamut, you know? So, like your other hosts are pushing different host content and you know, they're giving him advice. They're given them tips there. You know all of this other stuff. So I'm trying to build the ultimate team. That's what I want. And that's what we need, you know. And the revenue sharing, for example, Uh, it's I won't get way into it or anything, but, um, 75% of what they make. I'm sorry I said that wrong, 25% of what they make it shared across the board with everyone who has the same amount of sponsors. So they get your 25% you get there 25%. But what since it's so many hosts that 25% really adds up? You know, you're getting a piece of everybody's everything and they're getting a piece of yours. So it's just cycling around, and it it just It makes too much sense to me to not do it that way. You know, it, it keeps it fair. It keeps it honest, you know? And if someone has, we're just getting into it, too. Like if they're exactly anything and that gives them a leg up to help them. And then once they start getting traction, then they're going to do it for someone that is coming up behind them, too. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So if you have three sponsors, you're not sharing with those who have to. You're sharing with those who have three, you know? So it's it just it just builds it. The team Better to me. Yeah. And I actually got that idea from a real estate agents. Yeah, that's a competitive industry. And they would know how to balance things that would make things a little bit more fair for their agents. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And everybody is putting in the work, so there's no complaining like, Oh, well, I'm making this, but they're only doing this much work, and I'm doing all of this work, and it is like, No, no, we're all doing what we gotta do because it's set that way. If you're not putting in the work, you're not getting the fruits of the labor. You just aren't you? It won't happen, you know, thinking of things that didn't happen. Is there any adversity that may have happened or something that didn't happen in your life that you came up across? Whether professionally or not, that that helped you and drove you better in your work with some adversity in your life? Oh, yeah. So I'm gonna put my mom on the spot right now. She's ah, hard woman to please. She's a hard woman to please. And she always is expecting the best of me and from me and striving just for that, you know, has please. You're far. You said, Say that again. Thio, Please. Your mom, Teoh. Is that too? Yeah, you could say that. It's more of Ah, it's more of Ah, how can I say, Like, if I were still that McDonald's, she would probably be pretty disappointed. And where my wife is, especially with six kids, you know? So something like that, she's not the type that's just gonna accept anything. You know, and she's gonna give me a air fool when I screw up, you know? And I don't wanna hear for good for you, Andrew. My mom just happened to pass away this February of cancer and thank you. But the idea of especially coming from a single mom background are being raised by a single mom. Is there's something in us that wants our mom to be proud. Yes, and we want to show like, Look, you know, our kids like how well they're going up. Look what they're...

...doing now look what they just did. And I hope I hope this is not the end it but the hope you all the best in that Because after my mom's passing, I noticed my kids are doing something or I started the podcast or something else happened. And I want to tell my mom I want to show my saying with the dad or anything else with anyone else listening. But the idea of not putting everything into just pleasing our parents or guardians or people in our lives but having a motivation Thio to show them that by their sacrifices Look, I'm making something of myself, and I hope that you're proud of what I'm doing. Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Exactly that. That means the world to me on. And I am. I'll say it again. I'm really sorry to hear that, but that that is something that helps push me along. I have plenty of motivation. Like my kids are gonna be young forever either, you know, s so I'm gonna have some explaining to do. If I don't execute when they're older and they're, like, so that why is why is your car three different colors? What's going on there, you know, are or whatever it may be, you know, I need to be able to and also I'm getting experienced that I'll be able to pass on to them. If this thing doesn't get to where I hope it can go, maybe one of them can get it there, you know, because they see me work. And I have them on my lap all the time when I'm working that, you know, I usedto have I used to write articles weekly for this online media outlet, pigskin nut dot com. And I would have my daughter on my shoulders while in this very chair while I'm right here typing, you know, And I'm looking at my notes, and I'm looking at stuff on future, and I'm typing and she's there, and she's having a great time, you know, They you know, I need your daughter's. Doesn't one of your daughters have a podcast? Is that not true? Is that Yes. Yep. Right. So, I mean, they're they're already following in your footsteps, right? Right. Exactly. So you know, she she's gonna be pretty awesome. She's awesome now. But she's You know, as time goes, you know, you get better with time, you know, and, uh, you know, because we clean everything up for we make it sound good. We get it straightened. Stevie's their stories. And, you know, uh, she loves it, you know. So and then the other ones are asking to do it, too. And I'm like, to your six. What that could Yeah. My daughter likes getting behind the microphone. She'll sing some songs and stuff. We haven't gotten into her own podcast yet. Thinking of the adversity that you have faced, Andrew or the adversity that you're facing the difficulties, but also other people that are facing adversity now do you have any advice for them, whether it's in their work or, you know, maybe they lost a job losing some people, whatever it may be. Do you have advice for people who face adversity who faced adversity? Yes, like Okay, so I wasn't born this way. But I'll tell you, I have become Mr Silver Lining there. You can take something positive from just about anything. I won't say everything, but I'll say just about every situation you can find a very positive, um, part of that, and you latch onto it and attack that and you put everything you believe into that silver lining you. Noah's long as it's true, you know, and there's you're gonna you're gonna face adversity. You're gonna face challenges. You're gonna have Doubters. You're gonna have plenty of people telling you can't do it. I have that still all the time. You know, good friends of mine who are in the business with me, tell me that this is not gonna work. And this and that and I'm like, Really, is it not you? No eso You know it'll never go away, right? Exactly. It will never go away. It will never stop. But you keep your head down, You stick to your guns. If you know that you're on the right path and you know you're doing everything that you could do, it's gonna work out. It's gonna I would even challenge to say everything has a silver lining, right? I would even say there's always something. There's always a different way to look at a situation. It's not always easy. Sometimes it's impossible to find it right in the midst of the mud and the mire. Um, it's hard to think that things could be better. That could be worse, I guess, in that sense. But there is always a silver lining. I think that's great advice, Andrew. How can people reach out to you? How can people connect with you? Oh, where you could go toe instagram at Black Gamma E N T. It's the same with Twitter, and then Facebook is black Black gamut entertainment. If all else fails, go to black gamut. E n t dot com We've got...

...all our socials. I've got the business number there, the email you could email me whenever. If you're interested in anything trying to get more information, you know you have a question about production editing, outsource type stuff like that, or you wanna be a part of the family. And we would love to have, you know, people on. You know, if you're passionate about what you do passionate about what you talk about, we're interested in you. That's that's That's a fact right there. And, you know, and it's easy to tell if somebody is passionate about what they're doing, so we'll be able to tell. And we'll be more than happy to talk to anyone. Speaking of passion, Andrew, One final question. Why do you work? I'm a I'm Uh Oh, boy. That is a loaded question right there. Why doe? I work because I love it. I love working hard. I can't get enough. I'm a workaholic, And, uh, I can't see myself doing anything else. That what I'm doing right now from 10 years old, shoveling snow to now with your own podcast network, full time jobs, six kids and a wife who obviously loves you. And you're a good team. Andrew Roberts, Black gamut entertainment. Thank you for your time. And I appreciate the work that you're doing. Hey, I appreciate you, man. Thanks a lot for having me on your solid dude. Man. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive yet joyful day in your work.

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