WhyWeWork BrianVee
WhyWeWork BrianVee

Episode 87 · 1 year ago

#87 Andrew Allemann - PodcastGuests.com & DomainNameWire.com - BrianVee WhyWeWork


Andrew Allemann is a technology media publisher who focuses half of his attention on 1) Domain Names (DomainNamesWire.com) and 2) The Internet of Things (Stacey on IoT), while the other half of his working attention goes to his wildly successful podcast user booking site (PodcastGuests.com).

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...welcome to why we work with your host Brian V. As he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations, struggles, joys, seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice, which will be an encouragement to us all to get up, get going on and keep on working. Working is tough, but working is good. Now here's your host to why we work. Brian V. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Andrew Solomon. Andrew is a technology media publisher where he focuses primarily on don't name names. He also runs podcast guests dot com Today. I want to find out about domain names, some terminology that is in the industry as well as why it might be important for you and I to consider investing Indo name names. Join me in my conversation today with Andrew Solomon. I'm Brian V, and this is why we work today. Have the great pleasure of speaking with Andrew. Ah Lemann. Good evening. Finds her. Yeah, it's sort of Evening. Afternoon. It's three o'clock here. Evening. We got 8 a.m. Here. I thank you for coming on here. Sir, I've been watching a few of your interviews done. Will you give us an idea? So my information is not out of date of what you're up to now and what it is you do? Sure. So I run. Ah, couple of businesses. One is podcast guests dot com, which connects podcasters with guests for their shows. That's how we we connected on deny. Also run a kind of think of it is a publication for the domain name industry. Kind of like a trade publication called Domain Name Wire. It's and I have to ask you to be quite gracious with me today because I've seen a couple of your interviews and I'm probably on the lower rung of intelligence of the people you have been speaking to. So So please just bear with me for these 45 minutes or maybe 44. Well, you actually look, you do me a favor and bring us back to what would have been your very first job. Maybe not technology related, but something maybe in your teens, the first thing you've ever done to get out of the house and make a dollar. Oh, well, my first job was working for a company and I was in high school. So I was 16 in ST Louis and there was a business called Discovery Zone. And this is one of those indoor Children's play gyms. Eso I know now today that the trampolines and a jump houses are a big thing. But think of this more like like a McDonalds playground on steroids, right? They had tubes going all over the ball pits and and that sort of thing, and I think minimum wage back then in the U. S. Was $44.25. And that's what they paid us. Eso. It was a It's an interesting job. Why did you? Why did you get it? Why did you go out of the house at 16 for that? Well, it's kind. I mean that that's when in the United States, such and you can legally get a job. And I've always, you know, thought that it's good toe work right on. I know things back then, most of my peers right, what would also get a job during schools they could pay for either car payments, car insurance going out on the you know, weekends going to the movies. You have to get that money somewhere And just kind of, You know, I think I've always even in college, you know, I was working so high school. What was that? Probably sophomore or senior sophomore through senior year is working whether his bagging groceries at the grocery store or doing something else. Um, it was, you know, just always working s o for...

...high school. So you're bringing in in high school? The idea of college that you just mentioned. What were you thinking for your future? What was what was on the horizon? Well, I always thought I would go into banking, investment banking. Um, you know, I always have my eye on, you know, e. I mean, like I said, I'm on the lower rung and for me in high school to be thinking investment banking. I don't know if I could have said it, let alone applied for it. So And you said, Well, everyone's, you know, wanting to do this and wanting to do I wasn't so right. It depends on the circles you hung out with, But I wasn't. And for to go to university like okay, if this one So I didn't have that foresight to know thes might be good industries to get into. So was there a family influence where you're just watching some things? Kind of kept question on the straight and narrow to say financial banking, right? In investment banking, I think, you know, I would read the Wall Street Journal. I'd read financial publications. You know, at the time it was what, Business week? You know. I mean, you get this physical copy in the mail right of your magazines, right? So I think was that I think maybe one of my other interests and finance was when I was young. I told my dad about some companies that I thought were interesting. One of them was Elektronik Arts, and they just launched their like, mad in 93 football game or something like that. And I was like, Dad, this is a really good game. And, you know, back then the newspaper head of financial section, with literally all the stock quotes, right, you open it up and there were stock quotes for I don't know how Maney cos there's pages and pages. This is just in your local paper on. Guy said, Hey, Dad, this You know, this company's publicly traded This game's really cool. And he said, Well, tell me about some other companies you know about and he invested in a few of them, Not not a whole lot of money. Um, but electronic cards, just one network that really your your tips or your Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you think about it, um, why not ask your kid about the companies that they're interested in, you know, because it's not like, you know, Azaz a parent, what you know. And then you can look into the stocks and see what companies are, you know, and learn more about them, right? It's always good to invest in companies that makes sense. And if it makes sense to your kid, if they like the products, why not thinking of listeners and people with parents or Children themselves or younger people? Do you think that helped in built some confidence in you in your idea of finance? Oh, sure, sure, absolutely. And this, you know, there there are things you know I've learned over the past 2030 years I've understood my privilege and, you know, having you know a parent in the corporate world who read the business section who got a newspaper every day that I could read through and that sort of thing it's having having a having parents that are role models in that way certainly helps you when you look toward the future. And it's something that, as I've become frankly, middle age now it's something looking back and like, Wow, it be great if more people who are in their teenage years are exposed to Mawr Thio business to the future and that sort of thing. Um, e think that would really help a lot of people as as they go through high school and in college and that sort of thing, you're touching on a very good point. And and that's why part of the reason why I started this podcast with If someone doesn't have those parents, they don't have that influence at home. Then I can ask people like yourself to come on and see how their path was written for them and what decisions...

...that they had made. And I can learn from that. Someone else could learn from that, regardless, if we had a direct influence from a family member or not. And I think it's great that, you know, you're looking at stocks. You know, when your dad helped you and encourage you by picking those things. And then that kind of went your appetite for choosing what you did for college. So you went on to college or university and you did take e did do finance. I did do finance. I got a degree in finance. And so at the time, the hot companies to work for were investment banks. This was graduated in 2000 from college, so investment banks in consulting firms were both, for the most part, the higher paying, more glamorous jobs coming out of college. Second Andrew, you said you were middle aged and I should have graduated in 2000. So in my middle age, too, you know, I hate to admit it, but I think we were in our forties. I think I think we kinda have thio. I don't wanna say it. No one's ever said that to me before. Oh, I wasn't 40 was 40 was middle aged, and when I turned 40 I was like That's not middle age, but my body would say I'm Yes. Yes, I hear you There. I hear you there. So as you were going through this, were you thinking of a career? Were you thinking where this was going to take? You were looking at a masters as well. What was? What was your thought process? Yeah, I mean, finances a very vocational kind of study. Well, businesses a vocational study for college, right? As opposed to the liberal arts. Eso Yes. I mean, I was thinking about Okay, I do this. I do this for four years. I go get a job, and if you go into banking or consulting, usually work for maybe five years and then go back and get an MBA Masters of business. And but things changed because I was going through college when the dot com boom was really at its height, right? I mean, it kind of busted in 2000 to 2000 and one, and I ended up taking a job with a hot flying startup in Austin that paid ridiculous amounts of money. There was some equity involved, so, you know, there was the dream of hitting a big right going public time, where everyone just throwing money around for this throwing. It was it was funny money. Which kind of reminds me of the times we're in again. Um, but e mean the valuations of companies that had, you know, lost tons of money a year where, you know, there were, like, lots of Tesla's out there all over the world, you know, from a stock perspective where, um you know that that's trading at, what, 700 now or sometime? I don't know. But remember, it did like a four for one stock split. So that's really close to 3000. And and and it's silly, right? We all know it's not worth that much, but people are like, well, but I can trade in it and make money. So, um, there were very bubbly times back then, just like they are now. You know, you look at Cryptocurrencies. You look at some of these high flying tech stocks where you just can't. There's no way you could justify the valuation of some of these. And that's what it was like back then. And there were companies going public that hadn't even made a dime a revenue. You know, uh, what was there were and ironically, enough. Some of these business models have come back now, 20 years later, like the the local delivery model. I'm trying to think of the name of the one in New York City that, you know, lost gobs of money on every delivery they did. But venture capitalists loved it because they're like, Oh, well, you've got eyeballs, and you've got revenue that's growing a lot. Even though you lose money on every order you fulfill eso we've kind of come full circle around this. Um, when did you so you go ahead. That's what it was like at the time. So when did you start to get traction and even all the funny money and realizing your niche in this particular industry?...

Well, so I went S o. I went to do finance for this out flying startup that then that then kind of burst with the bubble. Um, and I ended up taking a job at a Fortune 500 for a few years, and that was I was just miserable a t east toward the end. I just remember driving to work one day, and I had a little bit of a lead foot, and, you know, just driving along speeding. And it's like, Why am I speeding of work? E don't like what I'm doing was the opposite of that. True when when you first got the job, you were excited to get into this or some or some jobs I've done. Yes, but that job of the Fortune 500 was really Hey, I need a job. The economy is is busted here. Um, you know, I I you have tow tow work, right? At that age, thankfully, didn't have any college. That because university tha the idea of you said you have to work. And that's what I want to promote. Because not all people believe that Andrew Well, right. Not all people like we just I just to encourage people. You gotta work. You've got to keep doing something, no matter what. If something doesn't matter if you come from a big company or not, or you're you're making some money. And then but one day that, you know, it's it's gonna dry up, and you might have to find something else. You have to stay motivated. You have to have that that desire to keep going because, you know, you might have a family you might have your own bills to pay. But there are people just to acknowledge there are people that just don't believe that that you have tow work. You have to keep going if you have the ability to do so. So I commend you for realizing. I mean, you had the intelligence, but some people get discouraged, right? Maybe out of university, you you did something and then you had this job, and then it sizzles out, and then we'll now what am I going to do, right? Some people would get. I mean, some people go down some pretty bad paths to in depression and feeling bad about themselves and eso. I just commend you for realizing and saying, but not overlooking the fact that not all people believe the same thing you do, which is work is important, right? And we should do it even when we come across these difficult times. Especially changing careers, right? Yeah, and changing. You know, I mean, I took a when I went from that high flying start up to a Fortune 500. I took a pay cut, took a big pay cut. I actually had to commute to San Antonio for Ah, while I had just gotten married and my wife was working in Austin. So I had that Z How many an hour and a half drive eso I got an apartment down there for during the week and I come back a couple times during the week. Um, but, you know, if you think that you wanna have a long career, you can't have like, a year gap after, you know, after leaving a company, because when people ask about that And at the time, of course, I was inexperienced. I didn't have much experience. I was 22. 20 three. That's a good thing you brought up. But I don't think I ever thought of that Is in the idea of the gap. Mhm. Would you say someone if they find themselves in between rock and hard place, fill that gap with something. Who so here e think my philosophy on this has changed and I think it was a specific situation. If you if you think you are going to work for companies all of your life, um, they they see gaps. There needs to be an excuse behind. I like I know people all the time. Or like, you know what I've done. Well, I'm going to take a year off. That's very different from, uh, you know, having major gaps on your resume, if you will, because you can't find work looking for exactly. Exactly. That's good. So as you were path thing out or setting out your path before you, I know you had several positions. You...

...were chairman. You were working in business development sponsorships. And you're the creator of what you are now with podcast guests in the the owner of domain names wire. Because I don't want to take up too much of your time. When did you really jump into Don't name names in particular websites? Um, as your full time position. Yeah, that's a good question. Part time around 2005, I was making enough money on the side that I decided to quit my Fortune 500 job. But then I started another company with someone, um, did that for a few years. And then I'd say After that I went full time. So probably around 2000 and eight kind of around the great create recession, if you will. Um, that's probably when I kind of went out on my own full time. So besides other investments and other sorts of things you might be doing, I think I heard you know, you invest in property. Would you say it's a 50 50 split in your work between podcast guests and don't name names? Or is it lean more on one side? I would say it's about 50 50 between those two. Podcast guest has become a very It takes a little bit more time than it used to because it's grown significantly. Last year, 2020 it was a big year for podcasting. So I have Thio commend you again because you must have a lot of people coming on your site. And it's a service that can be paid or not, which I find is great for people who are just starting or not quite sure. But other people who want to promote themselves, they paid service and you're in my in box s so many emails, but I don't I don't touch them because I have a podcast. I'm waiting right to get through the list of people who I have are booked already, and then I'll go in it and pick. And like, I don't want it. They're very precious to me. So I mean, you're saying it's over 20 something 1000 people that you have in your directory, but yeah, with that. And don't name, name, wire. What is the process that you go through, say in a week with the work that you dio, right? Yeah. So I domain name wire. I blogged usually 234 times per week day. And so, really, my first stop in the morning is my inbox and one of the reasons I know I like what I do, is I? It's like Christmas every morning when I get into my inbox. Whereas I think when I worked for companies is like, uh, you know, open this up. They're gonna be people that need stuff, right? They need me to do stuff. Whereas in this case, you have this for you, it's gifts. And for me, the gift that you give me is your email every every day. It really is. It's like a really precious thing, because I know for me as a podcaster, there's people behind that. You know, their stories behind that in for any podcast, not just one on work. You have a whole range of customer. Go to your site, right? Yeah, It's, um it's really amazing how many different people are out there with so many different and interesting stories. And that's something I've really discovered through going through this process starting at four years ago. We just, you know, 100 people on building it up to now. 28,000 people get the get the emails. Almost 28,000. Um, so it Zagros quite a bit. It's grown quite a bit. And the nice thing is that from I I set it up purposely to kind of scale and not require too much time, so I can. When I opened up my email, I can address anything that's kind of urgent. Whenever there's a podcast guest customer service requests, I try to respond as soon as I can because I think that impresses people. Frankly, they're like, Oh, yeah, this is This is legit. This is good service, as opposed to waiting for days to hear back like you're used to with email customer service. Um, what was the process of the podcast guests dot com? Was it...

...being in dough name names, was it? Oh, this is a good dough name. Name, So Yeah, And this became a company, and, you know, I'm gonna ride this out. So the genesis is that I was doing my own podcast. I still do my own podcast about domain names for domain name wire. And after about doing 50 of the podcast, I said it was a guest format. Kind of like this is like, I need some more new and interesting guests. E don't you know I've tapped my roller? Dex, I've had some great people on, but how can I find people that air new and different? And so I looked out there for a service that would help me with that. And there were and still are a lot of kind of agency model services that you can pay ah, $1000 a month. And the book people for you. But I wanted to find something that would yeah, that was that was more accessible to people, right? If you're just starting out and that sort of thing. So I was like, Well, why don't I create my own service to to fill this need? Certainly. I'm not the only one who has it, and that ended up being being right, and it was very slow at the beginning. A lot of elbow, elbow grease, you know, getting people to buy into it and coming even. It was free, right to join, but now it's really taken off and it's it's growing substantially from an organic perspective. I'm not sure how it happened for me. I mean, I came upon your website, but eventually, after I had some podcasts, I was able to advertise myself as a spotlight for the week and that E got an overflow of responses, which was overwhelming in itself. But what I liked about whoever it was that contact me in your company was they said Okay, you have thes people. But if you if you want, you don't have to look at these. These other lists of these paid subscribers people who pay for the service and and just, you know, contact one or two if you like, just just to know, and for me, all of its free right, so it doesn't matter who I contact, and in most cases it's better to look at the people who pay because they give a full description they give you, you know you have. You know, they're probably been on the Internet before. Serious about it. E I really liked that. It was a subtle way of whoever contacted me and said that. And it was really nice because it wasn't your You weren't overbearing. You were just really welcoming. And it seemed like a very supportive platform. Well, good. That's great feedback. Yeah, So with with Don't name names in particular, I'm on the bottom rung. How why is why should it be important to me or other people to consider? Don't name names as well as maybe as an investment tool. So domain investing. Investing in domain names, which means buying domain names with the hopes of selling them for more money is a kind of a It's a niche. And there are thousands of people that do it kind of on the side on Lee, a handful, maybe in the hundreds that do that full time. And it's I think a lot of people are attracted to it because everyone here is these success stories where someone buys a domain name and then someone comes along and wants to buy it for say hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is very rare. But it happens, and it's kind of got. Unfortunately, I think it's got this kind of this get rich, quick mentality around it. It's really more of a slog, though. If you ask any domain investor, you'll say, they'll tell you it's hard work and you make a lot of mistakes. You make a lot of bad bets. Azaz. Well, uh, the industry, though I I've just found fascinating, you know, having known a lot of people in it for nearly two decades now, just, ah, fun. It's kind of like an extended family to me, and that's one of the reasons that I that I continue to be involved with it. Would you say that there's one that you were most successful with? I don't know if it's financially but most proud of either. So are you buying them coming up with...

...them, buying them and then selling them like not, maybe regularly, but at times have you? And is there one that you're like, Yeah, I had Nike dot com or something. Yeah, I don't have any. So, first of all, I don't never buy like a trademark like like Nike. But one of my one of my favorite domains that I own is d n w dot com. So my blog's domain name, wired dot com, and I had the opportunity to acquire a three letter domain, which is gives you more credibility there. They're not cheap, but it gives you more credibility. And so I was excited to get that one. And that's kind of the one. When people ask me, What's your favorite domain that you own? That's the one that I tell them Why? Why does dot com hold on so well and what's what's the the hesitancy of people to jump into these other niches? As you mentioned, It's mindshare. It's It's the default that people remember something by, and I'll say this changes depending on where you are in the world. But in the United States and in many countries, especially, there were early to the Internet and other English speaking dot com is kind of the default, right? So if you tell someone your name, the first thing we're going to do is type that into the browser and put dot com behind it. So if you don't have the dot com. They might go to a competitors site or they can't find you is easily. And in 2014 and 2014, they started bringing out just hundreds of extensions like dot cash dot guru. Really? I mean hundreds dot ninja, right? I mean, there's some crazy ones out there and there's a market for this, but they still have the downside of memorability and people, sometimes confusing them with dot com. Do you think this is something the public or the consumer can get over slowly, slowly? I mean, we already have. You've probably seen Website sending a dot io and dot co and other extensions, and I think over time people might become more used to it and maybe the next generation people that aren't middle age like us forgive me, but they you know, maybe if they grow up seeing all these additional extensions, maybe that will change. But I think it's a very slow process. It's funny how short the industry has been available, but we're so hardened towards keeping our old ways of doing things is pretty interesting. What do you find difficult about what it is you do in some satisfaction? You get out of What do you? What you dio well in the domain name Blawg on domain name wired dot com with the difficulties is just kind of the expectation of always putting up content, right? There's never a break. And so although I can choose, like yesterday when my power was out all day, I can choose to do not work for the day, you know, maybe knock out a few things that I need to get done but then not work for the rest of day. I also I would say, in the past 15 years, I haven't really taken a vacation where I don't open up my laptop, right? And so that's one of the downsides. I think I'm one of the challenges to owning your own business. It's really just you write a solo preneurs. Uh, I do have people that helped me, you know, I do have an additional writer on the block, and I have Jessica who I think sent that email Tiu referring thio. But, you know, still a the end of the day, it's It's my thing. I don't have a huge team, and so there's some sort of sense of responsibility and continuity that you have to keep the idea of not taking much time off for at least doing something for your work each day. A swell as writing the content of multiple times a day. Can you comment on that for people but work? Because to me it seems well, there could be a high demand for it. But there's also...

...then the fear or the scariness of that. If you're not putting new content content, someone else's competition for your you're trying to get their ear or their I Okay, that's a daily the daily grind, because if it is into it and someone else will surely take your spot. When I started to my name, where there were no domain blog's out there and now there are a handful right, a half dozen or so of ones that people read and I do, I I am in competition with them, too, right, because it's not only getting the content out there and getting people to read it, but it's being first right with the things that are new and interesting. And so there is a bit of pressure there, and I've seen people start publications where they aren't trying to break news where they're just analyzing, and it's a very different. It's a different lifestyle, if you will, It's not as rushed as as pushed is what I'm doing with that site, okay? Knowing that it is a daily grind and how you worked, you know what was the Discovery zone when you were 16? Starting your first job, but also a number that I know of at least eight different positions that you have held and probably many more. Do you have a tip for people who are just getting into work or getting into work for people who are changing their career? Mm hmm. Well, probably a lot. I would say the first thing. And I think this is probably fairly common today is to, you know, is to not just work for one place forever on. Do you know my dad worked for the same company for the 1st 30 years of his of his career, And, uh, you know, I think that people these days want to see someone who has worked at multiple companies and getting multiple experiences. And I think that's how you grow your salary faster to you know, I mean I haven't really had a salary in ages. But I see you know I have hired people in certain times and you tend to when you work at the same company, you tend to get these little bumps right. The 3% raise this year to 5%. Maybe it's a great year. Maybe you get promoted and that's a 10% bump. But really, the 2030 40% bumps come when you switch companies. And so you know, I think that's something that again, I think most people get that now and most people do that. But that's one thing I think about the other thing now that I've had a minute to process this is be an expert in something and it doesn't have to be the world's biggest topic. In fact, being a big fish in a small pond, I think in businesses is much better as an expertise standpoint, right? I'm an expert in domain names. There aren't a whole lot of experts in domain names. It's not the world's biggest industry by any means, but I'm one of the go to guys for this topic, and being that person, I think is very valuable So even if you work at a company, find some sort of niche you can carve out for yourself that even within that company, when people think of this topic or that topic there like Oh, I know who I need to talk to, I need to call Andrew, and that is, Ah, one that it elevates your importance within the company. But it also elevates your importance. Should you ever look outside of that company for a job? Speaking of skills, is there something? And I think you had your head on straight from a youth. But is there a skill that you really had to develop to be the person you are in the position you are today, that it's even something you're still working on? I would say I'm still working on being a risk taker, and some people say, Well, you've worked for yourself for, you know, over a decade that must be risky, but I've always I've always done kind of the not the home run type risks. I go out and put something out there and then build on it and build on it. I...

...mean podcast guests dot com I started for Under $5000. Now I've invested a lot more into it, but it was one of those things where it's like, Well, let me let me try this at a small level and see if I could build on it from there. I mean, you there's higher risk and high reward and you get that higher reward by taking those risks and some. Sometimes you just have to do that right. You need to You need to go cold turkey. Sometimes, whether it's quitting a job to find another or to start a business, it's Ah, but taking risk, I think, is important thing. And it's something we need to instill in. Everyone are. Would you say that maybe you're an influencer in your field? And if so, you're a little adverse to risk because you don't want to make or lead people down on improper path. So yes, to that time, I mean the way people use that term. Yes, I would say in the domain name industry, for example, I'm in influencer, but But I am also very cautious. I think a lot of people get sucked in investing in domain names because they hear these great stories and I'm the first to tell them it is is not easy. You know, it's easy to maybe have some luck once or twice, but it's not easy to do as as a business as an investment, so it could look like. Okay, you're a little afraid of risk. But you're also cautious and maybe caring and considerate about the things that you get into those air. All adjectives, yes, that that I would use moving down a little bit. Where would you place? In speaking of that of character, what is it was a top character trait that that you have or deemed necessary in your industry. Well, I would say one that I have. I don't know if I deem unnecessary and industry is just caring right, like I truly do. When I hear people's story, I care about it. Um, sometimes I could get a little bit too much wrapped into it. You know, way got wrapped around every person and their story. I think we emotionally we just kind of explode. But I do think that's kind of a characteristic. I I have I don't know, you know, when I think about the people that I know they're successful. I think it depends on how you define success and which characteristics you need. You know there's a tenacity that, you know, for people that want to make a lot of money need tohave right. They need to hustle. They need to work hard, but that Zatz not necessarily what everyone should do. Even though we said earlier, you know, you work, that that's what you do when you're an adult. That doesn't mean that you have to go work 80 hours a week unless you have to do that to make ends meet. But it's not something that I think is a requirement. I don't think we should judge people's contribution both to their company in society by how many hours they work. I just don't think that's necessarily a good measure. No, it's guys. It's nice to hear, and I've only started asking this question, but I'm getting a variety of answers, and caring is certainly one of them, and you'll find people in many industries that don't care that they have a different and then you know their coworkers become less important to them. What about an overarching goal for podcast guests dot com or domain. Why do you have an overarching goal? You want to be able to close your laptop once a week, at least, Uh, you know, from a work goal perspective, I'm not sure. I mean, certainly I I set a goal of helping people, right with podcast guest dot com. And and, of course, I want to make money from it too, right? So I have financial goals that I think of, but the challenge with those types of goals is you're always moving the goalpost, right? And so I think a lot of people come out of college and, like, Oh, I want to be a millionaire. I wanna be You know, I wanna have $5 million. I want to retire when I'm 30 that sort of thing. Problem is, you're always moving the goalposts. If you do hit those goals suddenly, that's not a big enough goal. And then you go from there. Eso Ultimately, my goal is to be happy,...

...right? And I think for most people, that's their goal. But they might not think about it every day and the choices they make. And how do you define happiness? How you get there? Um I think it. I think it's different for a lot of people. But I do think that I know more about being happy now and my forties than I did when I was in my teens and twenties, which makes sense. And maybe it's just I've changed. Maybe it's just what makes me happiest change sometimes that I think I believe that you help your wife. What is it in Stacy, The Internet of things? Yeah, I work on her own having those goal posts from university, and then you get married. You learn I'm different, right? I am not doing what I thought I would be doing. Not at all college. And yeah, it's, um, I think you need to be flexible, though. Yeah, it's good, it's good. It's something that works for me, and that's the most important thing that people find things that work for them, and they're making them happy. Whether that allows them to spend lots of time with family, if that's what makes them happy, if it's doing complex investment banking deals, if that's what makes them happy, whatever it iss Andrew knowing that you're behind the computer a lot, maybe generally, some people may not know you. Is there anything that you would like people to know about you so they can have a better understanding so they can appreciate you a little bit more? At least the work that you're doing? Boy, you know, I've had people ask me this question before, and it's something I've always kind of struggled. Thio answer. Because I don't put a lot of you know, I if I have my own chart overarching goal, being happy and helping people on the way, I don't know that there's anything that's I mean, that's pretty simple premise at the end of the day, for all people, though, right? It's not. It's the idea of, you know, I had a guest on yesterday. He just said, You know, I struggle if you don't understand, He said. I have post traumatic stress disorder because of things I experienced in my life, and I like people to understand that. So if they actually see me going down the street, if I if I seem different, it's not because I wanna be. I don't wanna be carrying. I wanna be these things, but I have difficulty would in public sometimes so of just getting a better understanding. Or you could just revisit or repeat the idea of Just carry that. I'm a really caring person. I really take people's interest. However, you would define that. Yeah. I mean, I think it's interesting that you bring up that example of your guests with PTSD and that, you know, as I've gotten older and experienced more, you know, I suffer from anxiety. I suffer from it all the time. And and one thing I try to do is a person. It's hard, but you never know what someone's deal is, right. And so you know, when that person, when there's someone who acts out or does something differently or comes across as rude when you're out in public, you know, maybe they just lost one of their loved ones to cove it, you know, maybe they just lost their job right, and it doesn't necessarily reflect on them as a person and their entirety. Um, if they act in a different way during a certain period of time. So I try to be a little bit more open minded about that than than I was when I was younger. Andrew, is there any adversity that you faced throughout your life that one affect your job or your work positively or negatively, but not necessarily towards you, but encouragement for other people who are facing adversity. And it might impact their work, right? I think. You know, I've always tried to figure out where my anxiety comes from. Andi. I think that anxiety leads to some risk adverse behavior on dya know, always going down that worrying whole like Oh,...

...but what if this happens? What if that happens? You know, and that sort of thing. And, you know, I've always had people from the outside, You know, when you look at their situations, you're like, Why are you worrying about that? That's no big deal right? Whereas when it's yourself right, you tend to worry about it, and people from the outside tell you, don't worry about it. It's not that big of a deal, um, where you will get through this. But I think that's part of why I've been on somewhat of a journey over the past few years to understand what makes me happy on Do you know there's quite a bit of behavioral science around happiness now, and I've tried to educate myself about that. And I would say That's one of the things that's helped me in recent years around that. It reminds me of my dear wife, Whatever topic it is about a job or a career, they don't say, Well, no, that's probably not gonna work out. But if it did and we did this, we did that. We did that. And then the worry. I'm like, No honey way. We can't go in the hypothetical situation What would happen and all of these other situations. Let's just deal with the present. So it's what I've been told is you go from the what if to the even if, Like Okay, even if that happens, you know, we still got each other, right? You know, just something you know, with your wife. Even if you lost your jobs. That's good, though. That's good. I never that way like Okay, honey, we'll play this game for a moment, so yeah, Yeah, I'll engage you on that. Okay, now what? You know? Yeah. Andrew, how can people reach you? Uh, podcast guest dot com. If you go there, you can email me and Andrew at podcast guests dot com That's probably the easiest way to reach me. You can also follow me on Twitter. I'm more active on my domain name. Wire handle there. So that's at domain name Wire. Andrew. One final question question for you. And that is why do you work? Why do I work? I work because it gives me pleasure. And ultimately it allows me to be happy. Andrew Solomon, Don't name names. Wire podcast guest dot com It's been a pleasure. Thank you for your time. And I appreciate the work that you dio. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian V. Be sure to subscribe, Follow and share with others so they too can be encouraged in their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive be a joyful day in your work.

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